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Welcome to all neocons, elitists, liberals, anarchists, and even progressives

I welcome everyone to the liberty movement and to read this awesome website. I am encouraged to see people of all different schools of thought and walks or life to come together for a common purpose. Our purpose is to advance the cause of liberty throughout the land. This means we must spread the message into every group/situation that presents us the opportunity. Our job is to educate the liberals, neocons, progressives...everyone.

We all want freedom, but we disagree about how to bring freedom. The answer in my opinion lies in all of us. That's right, even the progressives want freedom they just believe that only the Government can give/protect freedom. It's up to us to change that and show everyone that freedom is inherent in a sovereign individual. Groups of sovereign individuals making choices based on free association can spontaneously organize into a massive movement. I ask each and every one of you here to please stop cutting others out of the movement. This movement is for everyone.

This thread is a call to everyone to come together. United we stand, divided we fall.

Have a great Saturday friends. God Bless you all




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I wonder how many new converts to Liberty there are here

let's say within the last month and to what version of Liberty are they being converted too? Surely not Dr.Paul's message anymore because I see those ideas being voted down with regularity.

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"not Dr.Paul's message..

"not Dr.Paul's message anymore because I see those ideas being voted down with regularity."

Hang in there RP, we've got the facts and the drive to keep on keepin' on :-)

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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What is a Libertarian in your mind?

Everyone has their role in this movement, and everyone should be welcome. Cutting others out of the movement and criticizing them is divisive and doesn't accomplish jack$#it.

I'm sick of your negative attitude around here. Writing Libertarian principles with respect to conservative perspective is okay as it helps them understand our ideas and identify with us at the same time.

I am your ally, so are the rest of the people reading this site that all thirst for freedom no matter what our politics, religion, or opinions may be. We are collectively the resistance to the hard times ahead. I hope you learn to accept other's into the resistance and their roles even though we aren't all perfect members of the elite Libertarians like you.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"I am your ally, so are the rest of the people reading this site

that all thirst for freedom no matter what our politics, religion, or opinions may be. We are collectively the resistance to the hard times ahead. I hope you learn to accept other's into the resistance and their roles even though we aren't all perfect members of the elite Libertarians like you."

I decide who my allies are, not you. I am NOT Libertarian.. I am libertarian.. there's a difference.

As long as people are showing signs of moving into MY direction and REAL Liberty, they are my allies. Till then..not so much.

The message is what matters and the mainstream asswhipes who seek to homogenize it are my enemies.

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You're an elitist hypocrite

I will help you and work with you to advance the cause of liberty together. You will not work with me or others.

You seem to think you are better than the rest of the movement. You and your sect of elitists or only divisive and don't accomplish a damn thing. None of you are ever wrong about anything, and you think only you all know what freedom/liberty are.

I've got news for you, we're in this thing together and people like me aren't going away.

WE are the resistance, education to other's that you think are unfit to be here is key to advancing our goals. You don't educate much however, but rather call names and start $#it everywhere.

What is a Libertarian? Try to educate me. Are elitists willing to share their elite ideas with mudblood neocon establishment conformist sellouts like me?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"Are elitists willing to share their elite ideas with mudblood

neocon establishment conformist sellouts like me?"

Only if you agree to put away your foolish establishment propagandizing ways. Liberty is for all but only those that understand what it is will actually add to it. You're not here to learn anything nor promote Liberty. You're here to water it down so all views can fit under the Liberty umbrella.. Well, I've got news for YOU.. Liberty isn't subjective.. you either understand it or you don't. The Founding Fathers intent gives us the way forward...

"I've got news for you, we're in this thing together"

Only as I the Patriot and you the Loyalist could be in something together, as history tells us.

"WE are the resistance"

You are a resistor for sure but it's not for the fight of Liberty that your resistance betters.

I'm not an elitist.. All who take up the REAL cause of Liberty are welcome.. All those who come to the table hungry to learn are welcome. Those that wish to dilute the message and turn it into a subjective conversation can kiss my ass.

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You won't answer the question

What is Liberty?

You keep complaining but you won't actually share your hidden Liberty knowledge that only you three or so know. Out with it. Do you have any actual ideas or information to share or are you just going to keep calling names and saying that no one believes in Liberty or knows its "real meaning" but you.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You used the quote

that should tell you..

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal"

It's VERY simple.. Policies that reflect that in every sense. Someone who supports entangling alliances doesn't understand that.

Those documents weren't just talking about us, they were speaking about every human being in the world.

Taking peoples money for war, taxes and the various other attacks on that core value need to be weeded out. And anyone who ask for anything less than that should go with them.

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"Those documents weren't just talking about us

"Those documents weren't just talking about us, they were speaking about every human being in the world."

That is what many fail to understand. This is one of many roots of our problems. To make it even more difficult, we have enough of a rough time getting people to back those documents up for our very own nation, let alone other nations.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Here's his response to my explanation of Liberty

"Ron Paul is a part of an entangling alliance
Submitted by OldNo.7J.D. on Mon, 02/11/2013 - 03:02. Permalink

So is anyone who associates with others and has friends."

Here's my explanation.. as simple as I could put it.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2951690

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When he first came here

he put on a good dog and pony show. I think that guy is pretty much done here. I would never condone supressing ones right to speak, so maybe he'll be useful in exposing other neocons who are in agreement with him and who try to destroy what we have worked for.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Well some I think have ridden the wave that Dr.Paul created

because it felt good and probably never stopped to ponder what it all means.

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I'm confirmation for what you supposedly have worked for

The fact that a 22 year old kid is even discussing politics and spending my money to promote liberty is a big statement to the work of Ron Paul and his loyal followers. The only things that should be on my mind are booze, girls, partying and trouble but instead I'm focused on the money manipulation, conspiracies, and local/national politics.

Instead of welcoming me or trying to educate me, you just call me names and act like only you know what liberty is. Like only you are working to advance the cause of Liberty.

You call me a statist but I'll bet $5.00 in silver that you're what you call a "statist" too. Do you pay taxes even though you don't believe in them? Do you follow unconstitutional laws? Are you fighting the IRS or trying to arrest Government criminals.

I'm willing to work with you but It's not easy when you have a divisive negative attitude that you're idea of Liberty is better than everyone else's.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You win, I lose.

Happy now?

You are determined to prove YOUR point, that it is necessary to compromise in order to win. You are not willing to listen. You are not willing to learn. Your goal is to divide this growing movement much like gj and romney tried to do. You can say that we lost, but rest assured we didn't. THEY are the ones who lost, and so will you. I'll bet $32 in silver on THAT.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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I learned that Ron Paul promotes conspiracy theories here

I've learned a hell of a lot here. I ask a lot of questions here. I've been asking you and the other guy the same question for 30 minutes and still haven't gotten an answer.

What is your definition of Liberty that is so great it's above me and Rand Paul? I'd love to learn something from this other than that you think I'm a neocon sellout statist or whatever...

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I have tried many times.

I am sorry that you can not see. Me speaking to some of you is like speaking to the dems here in my town. They either think that I am lying, or want nothing to do with it.

Liberty: You are born onto this great earth by some unknown force. As long as you do not infringe upon another, you are free to speak, learn and do as you wish.. or not, if that your choice.

Now, in this real world, we sometimes interact. Roads, schools need to be built. Protecting our sovereignty and national interest from invasion, etc. For those, unfortunately, we should kick in.

For a more indepth about Liberty, check out Mises, Tom Woods, Ron Paul, etc.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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Then why do you infringe on our beliefs?

"Liberty: You are born onto this great earth by some unknown force. As long as you do not infringe upon another, you are free to speak, learn and do as you wish.. or not, if that your choice."

Sounds like a good definition to me. So why can't I or Rand Paul speak for unity and education to all without you two making he and I out to be neocon sellouts?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

"why can't I or Rand Paul speak for unity and education"

Sanctions.

fienstein-lee.

Not stating actual truth to the American people, but instead play 'chess' in order to 'win', which further confuses American people to what is right.

Those examples are INFRINGEMENTS upon others, and innocents, of which I completely reject.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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So you label Rand as a neocon

for voting yes for Iran sanctions that were going to pass no matter what he did and for cosponsoring the amendment to try to infringe on the Governments right to kill us that already existed....

That's all you've got?

A vote against Iran Sanctions would have hurt Rand Paul more than helped the cause. That was a losing battle. While the bill Rand cosponsored wasn't what it was made out to be it did give Rand a place to speak the voice of liberty and be heard in saying that the NDAA is wrong and is the path to 1984. I don't see how these two actions make Rand Paul any of the nasty things you call him.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Furthermore, OldNo.7J.D.

"make Rand Paul any of the nasty things you call him."

I do not mind conversation, even harsh ones. I am MORE than willing to slug things out with anybody here. It is how we learn from one another. But what I will NOT put up with, is anybody lying or puting words into MY mouth. You have done this on more than several occasions. I am not one to take my problems elsewhere, but mark my words if you EVER pull that stunt again, I will report it for the record. You have been warned, OldNo.7J.D.

Grow up.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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oh no! You're going to snitch on me

I've been warned..... Now you're trying to make threats? Mr. "I would have put you in the hospital back in the day" is now threatening to snitch on me for putting words in your mouth....

You say Rand Paul doesn't represent Libertarian principles right? You call me a statist, and you come onto my thread welcoming others inciting arguments and repeatedly telling me that I and others aren't a part of what you call "the real movement".

I'm not going to snitch on you and I don't really give two craps or a lemon peel if you decide to be a dirty snitch trying to ruin reputation of someone who wishes to work with you towards a common goal. The problem is that you seem to think that I and others aren't worthy of the Liberty movement you claim to have worked for.

These aren't direct quotes but it's what I'm getting from what you're saying. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the above is pretty much what you're saying right? You haven't called Rand Paul any names directly but you've implyed that Rand is not a Libertarian and does not represent what you call the Liberty Movement. To me, it sounds like you think you're better than Rand Paul. That's what I hear anyways.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

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Yep, that's all I got.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

You haven't come here to be educated

you've come here to have your neocon-lite mindset validated.. The ONLY time I've ever seen you ask for "education" is when you ask question to gain arguing points from the other persons reply.

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I just asked you. Are you being serious?

Or are you just trying to piss me off. Read my posts, I've asked for this websites thoughts many times.

What is your goal here?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I just answered one of your questions.. it should be a watershed

moment for anyone..

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Answer the queston or GTFO

What is Liberty? What is freedom? Why do your definitions exclude Rand Paul and I from the 'movement'?

Quit pulling a Hillary dodging the question.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Go read what I said on your other comment.

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lmao... wanna play hide and seek

or are we playing DND right now??? All I hear out of you is "I'm real you're fake".

What is your goal here? You gonna teach me or troll me?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Always good to keep in mind ...

... that people come at their views and engage in debates from different perspectives and agendas.

Some people don't have a strong view, but they repeat what they've heard that makes sense to them. Such people can be persuaded with respectful debate.

Other people have strong views, but have never really been challenged to question their views because everyone they know agrees with them. Such people are tougher to convince of new ideas, but they are the ones who are most honest and they are great to turn around (many people here on DP probably fall into this category). Respect, again, is important.

And then there are the ones who are fundamentally dishonest people. They have strong views and they refuse to engage in honest debate and they resort to various logical fallacies rather than question their (or others') views. Once these people are identified for what they are, they do not deserve respect. Most people are not in this category, but many people on internet message forums are.

Just another angle to keep in mind.

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Well said

Perspective is everything when trying to influence others. Don't judge another man before you walk two moons in that man's moccasins.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson