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Rand Paul, the Next GOP Nominee for President - from The Daily Bell

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Rand Paul To Deliver Tea Party Response To Obama State Of The Union ... Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) will give the tea party response to President Barack Obama's State of the Union address Tuesday, following the Republican response by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.). Amy Kremer of the Tea Party Express announced Friday in a press release: "We are excited to have Senator Paul deliver the 3rd Tea Party State of the Union response next week. Americans are fed up with Washington politics that fail to address America's fiscal woes. Tea Party Express has called for reducing the size, cost, and intrusiveness of the federal government, and we have stood strongly for pro-growth policies to get the economy growing and job creation increased." – The Huffington Post

Dominant Social Theme: This man is just as good as Ron Paul but more easy to get along with. We can reason with him, especially when it comes to defending the country.

Free-Market Analysis: We believe a deal may have been struck between Rand Paul and the shadowy "leaders" of the GOP. The turning point was Rand Paul's endorsement of Republican candidate for president Mitt Romney some months before the US presidential election.

At the time, Paul explained that he felt it was incumbent upon him to endorse Romney because otherwise he would alienate GOP leaders who then would actively fight his (freedom) agenda.

We – along with others – wrote articles at the time explaining this was likely the wrong decision. Rand's father, Congressman Ron Paul, had managed to cobble together an extraordinary coalition of young and old, rich and poor simply by presenting himself as an uncompromising advocate for smaller, less intrusive government.

We wondered if Rand's pragmatism would fracture this coalition and prevent him from inheriting it. We believe this is just what has happened.

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I like how Rand

Is uniting the non Karl Rove/Neo-Con portion of the Republican party. I think his endorsement of Romney was politically expedient, and his attack on Hillary Clinton was nearly a stroke of genius in retrospect, since he may well be running against her if wins the Republican primary.

I would expect the Neo-Con strategy would be to try to "split" the tea party/libertarian vote with a flood of candidates, but I don't see who they could run.

They just fired Sarah Palin so I don't think she owes 'em any favors heh. Perhaps Santorum, but he has been awfully quiet.

Rand Paul vs Hillary Clinton in a debate would be a damn good thing to see.

The Daily Bell Article

From The Daily Bell article:

"This is how the power elite works, by co-opting social and civil movements, organizing them, providing them with leadership and gradually paring away what is unpalatable until what is left is serviceable or at least non-threatening."

Reply from The Daily Bell in comments:

"We are suggesting that perhaps real change is made outside of the seat of power - as Ron Paul proved via his efforts at educational outreach - rather than from INSIDE it."

My response here [not on Daily Bell]:

As long as the 2 party duopoly exist, handing D and R administrations back and forth, nothing will be gained. I agree with the Daily Bell, Ron Paul's approach, and that of the Constitution. It was never supposed to be about party. It will take an ENTIRE generation to yield the results that we seek. While 2016 may not be our time for presidency, it is our time to take local/state where it is most important. Let the gop fail to the point that WE choose our candidate, not the power elite, as the Constitution defines.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Ideally, Rand wouldn't be my

Ideally, Rand wouldn't be my GOP nominee. But if he is the best choice we have, then some progress is better than no progress.

Who else in the GOP can compete with the Rubio-Rove machine?

I think we have a long way to go, and since staying in the game is the only way one wins.. and Rove has created a PAC to out us..

Some say they don't like Rand because he's playing chess.. and yet these others are playing Kick the republiCANs.. so who else is there IN THE GOP that has GOP support, because Ron Paul prooved, if if you're not in the GOP, they don't care about you, and if you are in the GOP, they work to out you.

So who can win against that?

I found you and you are right.

I am unable to access that thread as well BmoreBrawler left you a comment though. I cannot access your comment, Bmore's, nor mine. Anyway, are you spreading the same stuff over here? You're indefatigable. In a good way, of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwghFN1oRV4

I apologize ((((ducky)))))

When I saw I couldn't post, I really didn't know what to do, so I clicked your name and responded on your last post. I really didn't mean to make it such a long post, and I didn't mean to interupt the jam by being rude to anyone's fun on the jam thread with my politcal BS. I'm sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25EJtfE

Rand will represent the newest voting block in the GOP

And Rubio will speak for the Republican Party. I think it's wise to listen to both and make up your own minds.

Now, my mind is made up on Rand Paul, but I am not here to make up anyone's mind for them.

Rand

is a go along to get along sellout. He sold out his Dad, and the Liberty movement. But giving the tea party response is appropriate, because he does fit in with the likes of Michelle Bachmann, and the neocon tea party. Rand will never have my vote.

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Please excuse my rudeness.

I think very little of you but I should not have been so rude. Please excuse me. You are what you are and I cannot change that. Nor would I want too. Everyone should see you as you are.

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Sounds like a great thing to me!

Rand Paul as the GOP nominee is a good thing for the movement, even if he's not perfect and many Liberty activists hate him.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I will not mince words with you.

He will NOT be good for the 'movement'. He will be good for the statists like you.

Please accept my apology for being so blunt. I just have a habit of calling things out the way that they are :-)

edit: a down vote from you supports my position.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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I'll accept being called a statist if you accept me calling you

a HIPSTER! lol "I liked Ron Paul before he was cool" "I'm going to vote for a super local candidate instead of that conformist Rand Paul, You've probably never heard of him".

That's a joke but It's pretty much what I hear when you all trash Rand Paul as a "mainstream establishment neocon sellout".
I think Rand Paul is a Conservative Libertarian, as is Ron Paul IMO. Rand is more conservative than Ron.

I respect the hell out of your opinion and I'm wholeheartedly willing to work with you to promote and advance the cause of liberty. Even though we disagree on this one we can help one another by calling each other better names.

You sir, are a Constitutional Libertarian and I hope you can give me a better label of Conservative Libertarian.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

OldNo.7J.D.

You really irk my nerves as of late. Consider yourself lucky that I am a pacifist. Had we been in high school, you would be at home for a week or so attempting to recover.

That said, you are coming out of the woodwork, so to speak. You are politically active, which many still have not. You are becoming more outspoken, and determined, which are very good qualities to have. Somehow, though, you are sliding down a path that you may someday regret.

"It's pretty much what I hear when you all trash Rand Paul as a "mainstream establishment neocon sellout"."

I have never trashed Rand, or called him a sellout. I have stated that Rand is a good man. I have stated that he is a Republican. I have also correctly stated that he is not Liberty, with data to back that up.

If we settle for another statist, the endless cycle will continue. Hopefully you have read my other posts to gain clarification of why I believe that.

With all of the definitions and labels floating around, and actually attending meetings with so-called true Constitutionalists, I am not certain if that term applies to me. Libertarian, yes, though I am registered Republican. Constitutional Libertarian, I will look more into this.

J.D., I hope that you will take some time to ponder what is said. Winning is fun. Winning feels great. But winning for the wrong reason(s) sets a wrong precedent, which could be detrimental and could last decades.

Remember: turtles may finish last, but they carry MUCH more weight than rabbits. If I was your age again, I would be doing everything in my power to reach your generation, for Liberty, and truth.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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Truth

This is where I identify with you. I want to out the truth, but if what I am beginning to believe is true is really true, it's friggin extreme. Too extreme for most people to believe from another person. This truth must be brought to the mainstream.

JFK's speech about a "monolithic ruthless conspiracy" right after Eisenhower's warning about the "military industrial complex" and America as been at war unconstitutionally ever since. Communism fails ending the cold war and ushering in an era of what was supposed to be world peace only to be hijacked (pun intended) by 9/11 and evolving preemptive wars of aggression against a vague act called "terrorism". Now it looks like the war on terror is coming home, and heading towards both of us. If you're a Christian, 2nd Amendment supporter, Anti-federalist, or veteran then you're considered a future threat to America according to our Government. We are the resistance, and I am your ally even if you won't be mine.

The Rand Paul criticism on this website makes me angry. Take a walk in Rand Paul's shoes before you question his principles or say he isn't apart of what we collectively call the 'movement'. I guarantee that a President Paul would end and prevent many many wars. I can also guarantee that Rand Paul has woken up more people than you and I combined and done more to advance the causes you and I both believe in than either of us. Rand Paul is your friend.

Rand Paul is waking up Republicans albeit not in an extreme way as you would prefer. You must understand that Rand's job is to represent Republicans in Kentucky and the State of Kentucky. Many Republicans in Kentucky are Neoconservatives, Rand Paul would be a hypocrite to full out oppose their views and tell the absolute truth. Another truth is, we need as many people learning about Libertarian philosophy as possible because you know hard times are coming. Rand Paul is bringing Libertarian Principles into the mainstream and THAT IS GOOD!!! Rand Paul is an ally, even if he doesn't represent your perfect picture of what a Libertarian should be. I am an ally even if I'm an unpure mudblood statist as you suggest.

I'm pissing you off.... Good! It's probably because I'm telling the TRUTH.

You have a choice as to which label I place on you. I'll work with you and will always listen to you, but I'm going to call you and anyone else saying Rand Paul doesn't belong in the movement a hipster. That's how I see it, no better than the rich kids sitting in starbucks demonizing capitalism using the twitter app on their iPhone. "It's okay for me, I like apple before it was cool. You liking apple just makes you an establishment conformist".

I use this example because liberty purists and hipsters have one thing in common, you think you're elite, you think you're better tan everyone else. You act like your little faction of Libertarian purists are somehow better and above the rest of the movement. This is divisive and doesn't accomplish a damn thing.
THIS MOVEMENT IS FOR EVERYONE!

Peace and Love to you ProudAmericanFirst, may you find some love for all the "statists" working to advance the cause.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You want truth? Here's truth:

First off, I hope that you know that I was pulling your chain about the school stuff, I wanted to see if you would pounce back. I think it creates a thicker skin which is needed for the fight that we are in ;-)

Here's the thing. I am NOT an extremist, regardless of what you or mainstream believes. It is those who reject our Republic, those who promote fascism, and those who want to abolish Bill of Rights, who are the absolute and unAmerican extremists.

As for you thinking that I am an elitist, which I am not.. I am a 9 to 5 working guy who mows the lawn on weekends [plows snow this time of year], shops for food, work on my bike in my spare time, and for loads of fun I hit the wing bar for a dozen hots. When I can scrape up enough after bills, I hit the beach a few times during the summer to catch some rays. So there ya go. Nothing extreme about how I live my boring life.

I am in this fight for the following reason:

I pay too much in taxes. I like good roads, but the way they are made today bangs up my front end which I can't afford, and the roads require maintenance more than twice a year. That is waste.

The pacifist that I am, I tear up when I see in the news innocent people butchered up over seas. More waste, in human lives and my hard earned dough which I don't want contributed to make mic even more filthy rich.

And then there are the completely asinine regulations which are keeping businesses out of my town, when I need to buy something it's an extra 1/2 hour ride in the car. The politicians get their kickback, but I don't yield a return.

And then there's crap like hr347 which limits my ability to tell the above politicians how I feel - as a taxpayer and who pays their wage.

Throw in ndaa, so who knows in the future if I ever find myself lost somewhere at an inopportune time/place and get mistaken and then nobody knows where I'm at. Maybe they'll decide that I am a normal guy even though I supported Dr. Paul and let me go, only to find that so much time has gone by that I could be 2 or 3 years behind filing my tax return. Of course the onus will be on me so the govt. makes out even more because then I'd be slapped with fines, late payments and attorney fees.

Extremist? No. Mad? Who wouldn't be. And then it gets worse because all the dems AND repubs in this area watch crap tv and have no clue to what I'm even talking about!

Purist, hipster, those seem to be the en vogue labels that you and others cram down peoples throats. Gee, what a way to help perpetuate what is not true in support of the true extremists. I just want my country back like it was when I was growing up. A time when I asked cops for directions and they were happy to help, and when I could have a smoke in the smoking section of a restaraunt after a good meal, and when learning about the Constitution and government in general was a good thing and you earned a good grade. And when I could burn all of the branches and sticks that fell from the trees over winter instead of worrying when the police/fire dept. would arrive to see what I'm doing. Simple stuff is all that I want.

Now that the above gripe is over, you are mistaking Rand for Ron. Rand has NEVER woken anybody up. It's business as usual with him shy wanting to run for top dog. I was in this thing neck deep from here all the way to Tampa, so I don't need to be educated what this movement is or means. The people who WERE woken up was by Ron Paul and yours truly long before you arrived. Fact Jack.

Rand is a Republican. He is a very decent one, and a good man. But don't try to blow smoke up my hiny trying to convince me that he is 'Liberty' or the voice of it. My advice is to jump off of that over-used R wagon with a busted axle and get on one that will take you where you want to go. That is if you value having a good life of Freedom, save a few innocent lives here and over seas, and maybe want to start a thriving business someday. Rand may slow things down until the next president steps in, but he will NOT change the course of this dying nation. That, by the way, is another fact.

Quit trying to confuse the two. Ron is the father, Rand is the son. They don't jive politically anymore than me and my old man.

Peace and love to you J.D. In time I hope that you will come around. I will ALWAYS keep my door open for you, and others, less the feds.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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If you insist

I agree with most everything you say except that part where you slandered the best voice and outlet we have to reach others. Rand Paul will be the nest Kennedy if he becomes President I just hope his dissent isn't silenced. Rand Paul will work to end the wars, Rand Paul will work to end the fed, Rand Paul will work to legalize sin. Rand Paul is a Conservative Libertarian. So is Ron Paul, Rand is more Conservative than Ron. This doesn't make him all the awful names you all call him. It doesn't remove him from this movement.

Welcome Rand Paul into the movement as he and his father have welcomed you. Just as you were in this thing before me, I assure you Rand Paul was working for Liberty and waking people up long before you were.

Stop slandering Rand Paul, and move on to real neocons like Rubio, Santorum, Romney, Mccain, and the people trying to out Liberty from the mainstream.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

There is one thing your youth

There is one thing your youth has not taught you; endurance is key.

You keep propping your guy, and I'll keep on mine for the long haul.

Now, if you are *SERIOUS* about restoring Liberty, Freedom, how about promote more people like Rand and urge them to keep those local/state positions where they are NEEDED.

And then once we have enough of us on board all across this nation, whether it's 2016 or 2020, WE prop the candidate of OUR choice and REALLY make the difference at the helm. Mine is in my sig.

Don't you worry about rubio and those others. I have that covered, unlike you.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Bump.

Bump.