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What's the main problem? What's the solution? What are YOUR thoughts?

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The main problem is..

that people fail to understand the big picture. It is imperative to understand the REAL problem so a proper solution can be devised. We sometimes start working on a solution, but we don't realize that our premise is incorrect. For example, there is no such thing as a free "State" - read the legal definition. If people believe that they can attain Freedom through government, then they might as well start counting the grains of sand at the beach - an impossible task. God created man as Sovereign in the world, but still subject to Him. From birth, we are bombarded with lies, and with the passing of time, we believe these lies because we are not taught to behave like a Sovereign - trust no one, research everything and ONLY you are responsible for your well-being! If people take the time to research the State and Federal Constitutions, you will understand that people have been duped into believing that the government has the people's interests at heart - one of the best concealed lies out there! We are already Sovereign, only subject to God, and we don't need anyone to tell us how to live our lives - except for God's Laws that teach us not to murder, steal, lie, etc. We live in a man-made matrix which provides benefits, but people fail to realize that if you receive the benefits, you also need to become their slave. Give Ceasar what is due to Ceasar - if you want to use Ceasar's money and laws, then be prepared to pay the price. Life is not easy - especially when you want to avoid deception. What is happening in the US, and all over the world, is a consequence of apathy and complacency - trusting others to do what is our own responsibility.

To finalize people need to find answers to the following questions in order to begin to understand what is going on:
1. What is the TRUE role of government as established by God
2. What is International Law, its premises, origin and goals.
3. What are the strategies used by International Government to reach its goals?
4. Where does the United States of America fit into the International Legal system?
5. Why are the majority of elected officials (all over the world) part of a Secret Society?
6. What is the impact that Secret Societies have on government and all institutions?
7. Who controls Secret Societies?

May Jesus bless all people who love Truth, Justice and Mercy!

Regards,
Alex_B

More lies are the problem.

"The main problem is that people fail to understand the big picture. It is imperative to understand the REAL problem so a proper solution can be devised. We sometimes start working on a solution, but we don't realize that our premise is incorrect. For example, there is no such thing as a free "State" - read the legal definition. If people believe that they can attain Freedom through government, then they might as well start counting the grains of sand at the beach - an impossible task."

That confesses the problem, that does not describe the problem accurately. The definition of any word or term is defined by the people acting in such a way as to constitute the definition of the words used to describe those actions. The word is not the thing. So a State that is strictly voluntary, or a government that is strictly voluntary, is such, when it is such, while those people make it exactly that, a strictly voluntary series of actions, and examples of how strictly voluntary such a thing can get exist, and failing to recognize the existence of strictly voluntary associations does something.

Failing to recognize the existence of strictly voluntary associations does something; what does failing to recognize the existence of strictly voluntary associations do?

Covers them up.

What does the often repeated practice of calling what criminals do anything other than calling what criminals do: CRIME?

Covers them up.

If calling what criminals do by the term State does something, what does it do?

What does calling crime by the word State do?

Covers up crimes with FALSE words.

Is that a problem?

Is it a problem or is it just a convenient thing that everyone, criminals and victims, call crime by names other than crimes?

You could be the judge, or you could just follow the herd, and you can keep calling crimes names that help the criminals cover up the crimes, but I'm not doing that any more.

It is past time to call the criminals in office criminals.

Joe

Human Mindset is the problem

True core problem:

Humans believing problems could be solved, the world could be better, by using force(government)WITHOUT causing evil long term consequences.

Unknowing that they use force when:
giving rights to others they do not have themselves, (murder, steal...)violating equality.

The solution:
A purely VOLUNTARY society
Small and very small "countries", local voluntary interest groups, maximum competition, free markets....SECESSION is positive progress!
All that can only happen when humans reject assumed authority = governments = inequality = use of force other than in actual self defense.

In conclusion the real progress takes place in waking up one's own awareness, EDUCATION ON HOW FREEDOM & PEACE WORK BEST, being a role model....IT IS A SPIRITUAL PATH AND NO OTHER!

Gerald Mangold

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WHO is willing to help?

WHO is willing to help?

http://www.dailypaul.com/274406/enough-is-enough-do-we-want-...

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http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The Problem & The Solution

Problem: Big Business & Uneducated/Immoral People try to get as much as they can, for as little responsibility as they can, from the government.

Where should the line be drawn between FREEDOM & SECURITY ?
How FREE should people be allowed to be?
How free CAN they be and still be protected from threats - Foreign & Domestic ?

The more (perceived) threats there are, the less free the people become.

The government will not solve it for the people. The people must be the ones who demand the solution, but they won't demand the solution if they don't know what it is. Every courtesy the government extends to the people - is taken advantage of by most. Every leniency extended to big business - is quickly devoured and more help is demanded.

All parties have been corrupted: the People; the Businesses; the Government.
(Many refuse to get entangled in an alliance with the Government -> they just live their lives happily & independently.

Solution: Lighthouse Education.
And THAT is the way out. The Ron Paul way. You put your head down, get to the business of your life - and live the most kick ass life you can. And along the way, when people come across your path and they ask about your story -- when THEY ask YOU for your story -- that's when you educate.

Like a lighthouse, you stay PLANTED in your own life, doing your own thing, and when others naturally come across your path, you shine your light and share your wisdom. Over time as the little light bulbs blink 'ON' here and there -> it spreads. But it spreads by virtue of your influence, not by virtue of your FORCE.

Find Your Passion - and Go Live it. Stop waiting for the Government or anyone else to change.

As bad as you think things are right now - even as the economy is operating at this moment - we can all be living out our dreams. No one is stopping you from getting a job, or starting a business, or learning some new skill you've always wanted. Maybe you need to move, or meet someone else, or do something else, or go somewhere new -> IS YOUR DREAM WORTH IT? Is the future of the country worth moving out of your shitty little town? (any town is a 'shitty little town' if your dream lies beyond it)

There's a tendency to come here and read about all the little things around the country and the world that are "off" or "unfair" or could be "signs of an impending government takeover and reinstitution of slavery."

What do you think Alex Jones & Ron Paul are doing? They get PAID to pay attention to this stuff - they enjoy it. Ron Paul is smiling ALL THE TIME. Alex Jones is having fun ACTING half the time at least. His rants aren't genuine -> it's a RADIO SHOW. But he's interested in the information -> it's his passion.

The solution is: Find YOUR unique, personal passion -> and go SET THE EXAMPLE.

The Problem & The Solution

Problem: Big Business & Uneducated/Immoral People try to get as much as they can, for as little responsibility as they can, from the government.

Where should the line be drawn between FREEDOM & SECURITY ?
How FREE should people be allowed to be?
How free CAN they be and still be protected from threats - Foreign & Domestic ?

The more (perceived) threats there are, the less free the people become.

Solution: Lighthouse Education.
The government will not solve it for the people. The people must be the ones who demand the solution, but they won't demand the solution if they don't know what it is. Every courtesy the government extends to the people - is taken advantage of by most. Every leniency extended to big business - is quickly devoured and more help is demanded.

All parties have been corrupted: the People; the Businesses; the Government.
The rest of the people (most of us) refuse to get entangled in an alliance with the Government -> they just live their lives happily & independently.

And THAT is the way out. The Ron Paul way. You put your head down, get to the business of your life - and live the most kick ass life you can. And along the way, when people come across your path and they ask about your story -- when THEY ask YOU for your story -- that's when you educate.

Find Your Passion - and Go Live it. Stop waiting for the Government or anyone else to change.

As bad as you think things are right now - even as the economy is operating at this moment - we can all be living out our dreams. No one is stopping you from getting a job, or starting a business, or learning some new skill you've always wanted. Maybe you need to move, or meet someone else, or do something else, or go somewhere new -> IS YOUR DREAM WORTH IT? Is the future of the country worth moving out of your shitty little town? (any town is a 'shitty little town' if your dream lies beyond it)

There's a tendency to come here and read about all the little things around the country and the world that are "off" or "unfair" or could be "signs of an impending government takeover and reinstitution of slavery."

What do you think Alex Jones & Ron Paul are doing? They get PAID to pay attention to this stuff - they enjoy it. Ron Paul is smiling ALL THE TIME. Alex Jones is having fun ACTING half the time at least. His rants aren't genuine -> it's a RADIO SHOW. But he's interested in the information -> it's his passion.

The solution is: Find YOUR unique, personal passion -> and go SET THE EXAMPLE.

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+1. To me, you've only stated the obvious ;)

+1. To me, you've only stated the obvious ;)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

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Then call me CAPTAIN.

Captain Obvious.

Wherever there's a rhetorical question - I'll be there to answer it!

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lol. OK

lol. OK

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Relevant post, which needs more traction

This is an interesting and relevant post (to answer this one), which needs more traction, IMO:

http://www.dailypaul.com/274256/what-the-root-solution-could-be

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

What was always the solution?

I think the problem was always the sin (see definition in the Bible) .

While as solution was: restoration, repentance, return to first principles, etc

Some similar thoughts in http://relate4ever.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/being-president/

Positive support for Ron Paul ideas! Support from the Restoration and Liberty Movement on http://cristianpaduraru.com

morality and virtue are dead in all governments

The thrusts behind governments today are lies, deception, greed, self interest, violence, etc.
The solution will be the collapse and ensuing war, or maybe the war and collapse happen at the same time. I know people want peace to reign, but that will come, after the war.
The solution will depend on who's left and if they are determined to be moral and virtuus people. And since peace will be established after the war, I'm pretty sure such people will survive.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Morality and virtue are ALIEN to governments.

Unless you count "obedience" as a virtue. All governments are founded on the principle that some men may rightfully control the lives, liberties and property of other men, without the consent of the latter. That, I submit, makes them evil by definition. It's as rare to find a moral and virtuous man in a government as it is to find a virgin in a whorehouse. Ron Paul being the exception who proves the rule.

War is, and has always been, the health of the State. People faced with death and destruction tend to look for *someone* to protect them from aggressors -- and they have been raised to believe that "government" is (or can be) that protector. It's nuts. It's Like, they want someone to protect them from bullies -- so they go up to the biggest, baddest bully they can find, and ask him to please protect them from bullies. (Oh, and please be nice.)((Not bloody likely.))

Until men outgrow or unlearn this particular insanity, the oppressors will continue their game of musical chairs, one villain replacing another, world without end. The meek shall once again inherit the dirt.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

The Law

The severe lack of prosecution.

It's the only reason things have gotten out of hand.

Start prosecuting, things change.

Recently a council that introduced a gun ban flipped 180 when they read out aloud a letter from a group that stated they were going to sue the council and individuals within it for constitutional violations.

They read it out in fear.

Citizen grand juries... Make it happen.

Maybe not.

Government makes the law. Citizen lawsuit threats may cow a city council; lots of luck using that tactic with State or Federal laws. Any level of government that can claim "sovereign immunity" is going to ignore it.

And exactly who is going to prosecute such cases? The DOJ? Write a really persuasive letter to Eric Holder, that'll work.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

I agree with the other person

I agree with the other person that the Free State Project is the best solution. Ron Paul loves the idea. Heck, he even spoke at the 1st 2 Liberty Forum conferences in New Hampshire.
http://freestateproject.org/intro/ron_paul

Live Free or Die!
http://www.freestateproject.org

"Free state" = oxymoron

As soon as you have someone above you who can control your life, liberty and property -- as soon as you have a "State" -- your "freedom" is toast. Such liberties as you enjoy will depend on the tolerance and good will of your master.

I won't disparage the idea of freedom-loving folks getting together to form their own community. That's a fine thing, AND a very possible solution to many problems we face . . . but imposing a formal government on the community subverts the freedom of its members.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

I'll make it easy.

All of the comments below! LOL

Mysticism!

If has been asked, What's the main problem? What's the solution? What are YOUR thoughts?

The main problem is mysticism, stated another way, mind created realities with its external authority cult mentality.

Which is a symptom of dishonesty and laziness that has been manipulated by others for at least 3000 years to gain unfair advantage in order to extract unearned values.

The solution is removing the virus of mysticism from our self and our species to free the conscious mind, unleashing the value creator that is our nature to the exponential benefit of all mankind.

How do we get from here to there?

Forbidding the use of initiatory force as represented by The prime law! As explained by Mark Hamilton in the following 15 minute video.

http://youtu.be/OkxjnnBL7V8

The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson

Simple. Your question is

Simple. Your question is joyously simple, so is my answer and solution. Keynesian economics destroys prosperity while commanding govt growth to ease that destruction. The answer is Austrian economics. Elevating that answer simply requires an army of Austrians from Ron to Rand, Peter, Tom, Cafe Hayek, Mises.org, Williams, Rogers and 100k smaller voices like mine to join in unison as soon as the next recession hits. Only then will coalitions form, legislation pass and the country will change direction.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

The main problem is liberty activists are too spread apart

We don't have the numbers to win on a national scale. The solution is: www.freestateproject.org/fsn8

Free State Project has nearly 14,000 people pledged to move to New Hampshire and by 2020-2022 should have reached their goal of 20,000 activists living in the state. According to the pledge after we reach 20,000 signers everyone who signed has 5 years to relocate to the state. This past election in New Hampshire there were 74 liberty activists out of 400 members elected to the House of Representatives according to New Hampshire Liberty Alliance (11 of those were members of the Free State Project)

That's all true except that

That's all true except that the Free State Project doesn't have members, it has participants. Well, and the 74 includes people elected to the NH House and the NH Senate. Here are how other states stacked up.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=26027.0
NH - 68 out of 171 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395154-New-Hamps...
NH (according to the NHLA) - 74 out of 149 http://www.nhliberty.org/newsletters/2012/12
ME - 5 out of 18 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395145-Maine-11-...
MN - 4 out 42 of liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395203-Minnesota...
MA - 3 out of 17 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395202-Massachus...
IA - 3 out of 14 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?394887-Liberty-I...
VT- 1 out of 7 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395575-Vermont-1...
RI - 1 out of 5 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395152-Rhode-Isl...
NV - 0 out of 3 liberty candidates won http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395392-Nevada-11...
Other states?

Live Free or Die!
http://www.freestateproject.org

The main problem?

Governmental authoritarian control systems.

They are out of control. On the global, national, state and municipal levels.

Solution? Good question. I hate to say it.

Collapse.

If not, when we get older, we will be telling our grandchildren about freedom but they will not understand, and they will ask "but who kept you safe?"

Revolution IS the hell of it.

Anarchist David Friedman has written a brilliant article bearing this title; read it free here, down on page 78 of the pdf.

He makes several good points about the human response to cataclysmic events like revolution or collapse:

The case against violent revolution, for an anarchist, is simple. Government exists, ultimately, because most people believe that it performs necessary functions. The most fundamental of all these functions is protection against violence and disorder. When people view anarchy as the ultimate evil, it is not because they are concerned about mail not being delivered or streets not being cleaned. They are afraid of theft, murder, and rape, riot and arson.

The greater these fears, the greater the degree of government tyranny which people will tolerate, even support. Civil disorder leads to more government, not less. It may topple one government, but it creates a situation in which people desire another and stronger. Hitler's regime followed the chaos of the Weimar years. Russian communism is a second example, a lesson for which the anarchists of Kronstadt paid dear. Napoleon is a third. Yet many radicals, and some anarchists, talk and act as though civil disruption were the road to freedom.

For those radicals whose vision of freedom is a new government run by themselves, revolution is not a totally unreasonable strategy, although they may be overly optimistic in thinking that they are the ones who will end up on top. For those of us whose enemy is not the government but government itself, it is a strategy of suicide. Yet it is a strategy some anarchists advocate. What are their arguments?

One is that civil disorder is educational. A government threatened by insurrection becomes more and more tyrannical, revealing itself to the populace in its true colors. The populace, thus radicalized, rises and abolishes the government.

Experimentally, the truth of this argument —- that revolution leads to repression and repression to freedom -— is demonstrated by the thriving anarchist communities now occupying the territories once ruled by the oppressive governments of Russia, China, and the German Reich.

Another, more unworthy, argument for revolution is simple opportunism. There is going to be a revolution whether we like it or not; one must be on one side of the barricades or the other. If a libertarian does not support the revolution, he has only himself to blame if he witnesses its triumph from an exalted position— intermediate between a lamp post and the street. Even if he escapes such a fate, he can hardly expect to influence the policy of the revolutionaries if he has not helped to make the revolution.

Even on its own terms this argument is unconvincing. Successful revolutionaries do occasionally end up in positions of power, but they seem more likely, on the historical record, to end up dead, courtesy of their comrades.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

If the U.S. were to collapse economically

It would become a military state undoubtedly. Since the military would consider it a 'duty' to prop up the country.

This would herald a very dark age in America.

What I or anyone else wants is immaterial. Collapse is what it is.

But collapse is not a SOLUTION.

-- just another round of the same problems. (Government IS the problem, not the solution.) For a more hopeful picture of an alternative future -- a collapse NOT followed by more-of-the-same, read J. Neil Schulman's novel Alongside Night. It's free online -- and pure FUN to read, like early Heinlein. Another free e-book with similar ideas is #agora, which blends in many different ideas like bitcoins as alternatives to REPLACE government "services" with something better. The solution offered by both these books: expose people to something better than government, and people will adopt it willingly, just as a simple matter of self-interest.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Oh, collapse is most definitely a solution

Not my solution, it's a natural solution.

Pure law and order is not a natural state.

Each nation state grasping for control is what gets things out of control.

Look at the cry of the plebs - "Protect us".

That can only mean they have lost the ability to protect themselves.

Once that happens, there can only be one eventual outcome.

Independent Life is the problem, Assimilation is the solution?

Are you The Borg?

Follow that line of thinking to its logical conclusion: life is the problem, death is the solution.

Most people on this thread are addressing the problem of the loss of liberty, and trying to find solutions that will result in more liberty.

Exactly what *problem* does your "solution" correct? There is a difference between "resolution" and "solution," you know.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

The only other solutions I could see

Would be the discovery of, and implementation of a new form of government. As a pragmatist I know that could never happen.

An unexpected age of enlightenment. How or when this might occur is not foreseeable nor likely. Especially considering the state of education.

Try explaining the oratory of Cicero, the passion of Virgil or the astuteness of Tacitus to the average passer-by on the street. They'd have no idea what you were talking about. Even most academics and politicians would be hard pressed to have any sort of intelligent discourse regarding such topics.

The founding fathers would be well versed in such important matters. Science cannot replace independent thought, vision and wisdom.

There is a sad depletion of critical thinking on all academic fronts.

It's that very critical thinking which is vital to a civilization ascending to a higher level.

When a civilization stagnates, it slowly deteriorates: begins coming apart at the seams.

Colonization of other planetary bodies might also do the trick. It would provide a "new world" which our world now is sorely missing. Perhaps ol' Newt Gingrich wasn't so far off the mark on that one. I'd say this would be the most probable solution, but even still....unlikely.