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What's the main problem? What's the solution? What are YOUR thoughts?

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When the plebs cease to become self-sufficient

And independent, civilization can collapse in a calamitous way for a very long time.

It happened to Rome. The best evidence indicates it also happened to the Mayans.

I'm merely pointing out the eventuality. The natural world seems to have its own solution for such things.

Eventually other civilizations rise up from the ashes of the old.

I'm not proposing this as any sort of solution, I am only stating the facts as I see them. The creator of this thread did say to explore the topic and stated that we do not have to tightly define our responses. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm only stating facts as I see them.

its biological

A person is smart. People are dumb

A person is smart. People are dumb.........

And organized people are dumber

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Reckoned

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

At what point does spending

At what point does spending your life attempting to secure a good life for the future; outweigh the one-time experience of living a short life, good, when you still have a chance.

President or not, the Revolution is happening and it grows at the local level.

http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/Resources/files/The_Life_...

You should be on the ballot for your local Republican Central Committee.

Bitcoin! Bitcoin! Bitcoin!

Get over what you think you know about it. Get over the assumptions. And learn about it.

Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take away from them the power to create money and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money.

Just like the internet gave us a tool to fight propaganda, Bitcoin is the tool to fight fiat.

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Attribution for your middle paragraph.

Attributed to Josiah Stamp by Silas W. Adams in The Legalized Crime of Banking (1958). According to Wikipedia, there is some dispute that Stamp actually said it.

It's true anyway, no argument from me.

I like what I'm learning about Bitcoin, but there are likely to be even better solutions ahead. Read the short novel #agora, (free online) for a glimpse of what it might look like.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Introvert/Extrovert Personalities

We need more liberty-minded extroverts, rather than introverts. Extroverts are the kind of people who can speak well in front of large groups, interact well with new people and can generate excitement and passion in the non-philosophical types. You know? The vast majority of the people?

We have so few EXTROVERT voices in the public arena and as a result we're all largely online and in book form. I can talk about liberty in front of people I know, but put me in front of a room full of a thousand people I don't know and uh.... yikes! Unfortunately I feel like this goes for a lot of us. We live inside our heads and we're comfortable there.

If you're an extrovert, we need you out there being all fun, engaging and awesome for liberty in front of the masses. Us introverts? We make the best loyal friends on Earth and we'll be your undying support behind the scenes! Behind every great extrovert is an introvert.

LOL

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Here is the main problem, IMO: the state of mind of the People

Here is the main problem, IMO: the state of mind of the People.

1. The people is being kept IGNORANT.

2. The people is being DUMBED DOWN, kept DISTRACTED.

3. The people is being kept either APATHETIC or EMOTIONALLY MANIPULATED.

4. The people is being BRIBED with entitlements and checks for the group they belong to on the last bureaucratic form/questionnaire they filled.

5. The people is being kept MORALLY IRRESPONSIBLE - by the statists deciding for them what is RIGHT or WRONG.

6. The people is being kept in a rat race whenever (4) doesn't hold

How to fix the People?

Keep educating, slapping their mind, all around you - relatives and friends, first. Then, outwards circles.

But also:

H A R A S S

your People's representatives.

I think the latter is now becoming AN EMERGENCY.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I'm not convinced

that's our best move. See my post below ( http://www.dailypaul.com/274158#comment-2953153 ) on why waking people up may be a lost cause. And I really doubt that we can influence enough of Congress to do the right thing. We are, after all, up against Trillions of dollars of influence. They just haven't had to use that much yet but make no mistake, they would.

I believe the answer lies in solving OUR problems and creating a world where people no longer see the need for a government or the multitude of monopolistic expenses we now have. It's very easy to switch to a system of buy-once-use-forever when coming from a pay-each-month-forever-plus-inflation system.

Sin and Satan are the

Sin and Satan are the Problems and Jesus Christ is the Solution.

2 Chronicles 7:14- "if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

Repentance should be practiced by our nation... Repentance should also include a turning away from evil and standing up against tyranny. I do not believe tyranny can remain strong in a country full of people that genuinely repent and stand against it. Do your best to live like Christ, Repent, and Pray to God.

Lack of Faith

Man is conscious of his own mortality. Hence insecurity. From insecurity we seek to secure things. Man generally seeks to attain a sense of well being through form. One prominent form is the employ of government, and the judiciary. In so doing, man seeks to regulate what is fair and what is just in their own eyes. As such, there is an underlying unwillingness to surrender to what is, and have faith and understanding that in reality, what is fair / appropriate rest with God / Universe. Rights are mentally contrived (only exist in our head). We are all privy to say that we have the right to XYZ. But these rights are only as good as our ability to "defend them" (which we do with force / leverage). Truly we fail to come from that space of love, for love does not employ force or leverage. Truly it is out fear of death, and our lack of faith in God that is the root of our political strife. This "battle" will not be won because we are righteous, are smarter, have higher morals, or because we have more guns. The drive within to seek well being (which is not found in tyranny), lasting peace and fulfillment cannot be stopped by any government or any army. If a people must go through another cycle of tyranny, I can only imagine it is to be a lesson, a point of reflection, a creating of a contrast, which facilitates clarity. When we start to see in ourselves the preoccupation with rights, laws and injustices, and come to realize that truly the "battle" is won with love, and not with animosity / guns / higher intellect / self righteousness / higher moral standards, or the like, then we will see a break in the cycle...
Know this... the lessons are for each one of us. I would be surprised if the vast majority of you on this sight has not gone through major growth in recent years... To which I say: Journey on, brother. Enjoy the ride. Accept what is, and, if so inspired, hold an idea of how things can be.
Peace.

Nice comment

I was going to express something similar.

I have read the host of varying answers to the question that this thread poses, but I feel that all of them while relevant, tend to be selective and only encompass part of the problem. I think that if you want to get right down to the core of the issue, it really does as Libertyrose is suggesting boil down to consciousness.

The government, the economy, the wars etc, can't happen on their own. They require the infrastructure that all of their participants provide.. i.e us ! IMO every action has a cumulative effect, and everything is connected.

When enough people move away from the isolationist world view where everyone is considered separate and it is each man for himself, when the majority of people start to realize that the benefit that something has to EVERYONE is more important than its economic value, and when they recognize the importance and relevance behind the suggestion to love thy neighbour as thyself, then the governments / economy etc will start reflecting this philosophy.

Freedom is a byproduct of acceptance - judge not.

Central Banking

Global Mafia

I was brought up...

I was brought up with a strong moral background. I was taught "Don't lie, Don't steal, Work hard and Be responsible for you own actions"
Following those rules can solve most problems in life.

RickStone

If only . . .

If everyone lived by such rules there would be very few problems, and it would be a wonderful world.

The problem is people who DO lie, steal and shirk responsibility for their own lives and actions. The very worst of them name themselves "government." How should a moral person deal with THEM?

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Start with ...

Start with cleaning up your own back yard first and go from there. Integrity starts with the individual. I am sure Dr.Carson would be someone to follow his lead.

RickStone

Ignorance, Propaganda, The

Ignorance, Propaganda, The Media, Federal control over education, Liberals (both democrat and republican), Not only the fact power is being concentrated and shifted to the Federal Government but the fact the population has been so brainwashed to actually be calling for this too happen, Ruling by Emotion rather than logic, Failing to remember "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it", The fact people find reality so disturbing they don't want to hear about it rather than stand up an do something to change it, Lack of accountability for anyone in positions of power (HSBC, Police, Government), Reintroduction of failed policies, The belief that if legislation failed to fix a problem that the solution is obviously more legislation on a grander scale, The belief someone knows how to manage your life better than you do, When someone who believes in state sovereignty and the constitution is view as an Enemy of the state aka terrorist.

ahh....

..... BELCH .......

just saying... 8)

What's the problem and the solution you ask?

This guy's got the answer!

:)

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!

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You call it a revolution but you don't act like its a revolution

Revolution means replacing the current gov't. I don't see any movement to replace gov't, just talking about it. It seems more likely now that a civil war will emerge as conservatives and libertarians fight against liberals, the global elite, and other countries. I think the chips are stacked against old school conservative american culture. The new model is centrally controlled markets, such as China is doing, and Americans are doing nothing to stop it.

Like Ron Paul's plan for replacing the income tax . . .

The best thing to replace our government with is . . . nothing.

It's happening all over the place. Bit-coins and precious metals are supplanting fiat currencies.

The internet supplies information independent of the government and corporate media.

Homeschooling parents take responsibility for their children's education, supplanting government indoctrination centers (aka public schools).

The internet and private mail carrier services continue to expand, as the Post Office dies.

Providing services that government supplies -- BADLY -- is a growth industry. That's the place to look for real progress. If you hoped to see an army of militiamen marching on Washington D.C., give it up. It's not that kind of revolution.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Legal tender laws that

Legal tender laws that require a fractional reserve, fiat, debt based currency.

It's all a result

of "moral hazard". Whether it's an economic problem or loss of liberties it's all because of moral hazard. Bankers and corrupt politicians don't care because they pass the buck to the people. Corporations are suppose to be people the problem is they have no morality because they are not human and have mandate to increase profit. Government gets away with murder and authoritarianism because most citizens think it won't hurt them. This country has lost it's morality plain and simple. Those who are careless of others misery and don't care who they step on to get to the top are loving every second of this culture they have created.

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

Chaos

The universe is made up of identical particles that interact in well defined ways yet humans can still choose what to eat for breakfast.

I'll take my Liberty, it's not yours to give.

Main Problem....... Ron Paul

Main Problem....... Ron Paul is not the President.

Solution..... Put him in the White House!

Ludwig Von Mises warned of such absurdity...

...

Yes and Ludwig sure changed

Yes and Ludwig sure changed the world huh!

willful ignorance...of the creation and the flood...

...as in...II Peter 3:3-6 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water"

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Two great cataclysmic events, by the hand of the Creator...whose help we need to throw off tyranny once again...

At this point, I think this is NOT the last days because this knowledge is still readily available....it's cyclical that free societies ignore this until brutal dictators take over....so....the solution....watch Kent Hovind's creation seminars and debates, then, BUY primary sources of American History and SHOW.people face-to-face how societies that have reverence for the Creator of our founders PROSPERED, until the love of money overtook them....

Through education, repentance and reconciliation with the God of our founders; we can restore our Republic and enjoy liberty again....

The main problem is that we aren't feeding the poor.

The main problem is that we aren't feeding the poor. We have abdicated this task to the government. There are many problems with this, but the primary problem is that the entity taking on the dependency garners actual political authority. They not only garner the political authority of the poor, but they also are able to use the dependency of the poor to extort the middle class into obedience by threatening the stability of the ghettos that placate the dependent populations and keep them out of middle class neighborhoods.

The state cannot be undermined by means of violent action, because to do so would only be to replace it with itself. However we can undermine the state if we develop systems of social welfare that undermine their ability to garner the dependency of the poor, while at the same time fracturing the dependency that results from those charitable transactions.

http://daxology.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-secret-to-achieving...