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Israel Anderson: Ron Paul has NOT gone to the UN to strong-arm RonPaul.com

Great video and explanation about the Ron Paul vs RonPaul.com story.

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Your logic: I think murderers

Your logic:

I think murderers should go to jail, but I can't report a murderer to the police because that would mean I support the entire government.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

ur not making sense. My

ur not making sense. My argument was ron cant complain because nobody damaged his property or effected it in any way. I got bombarded by other DPers saying he did have a right to complain even though there was no property damaged. So explain to me again how my logic is wrong?

They took his name, added

They took his name, added .com to it and tried to sell it back to him. Yes, his property was damaged through improper handling. The anti cyber squatting act of 1999 made this illegal.

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bullshit its not his name.

bullshit its not his name. you know how many people are named ron paul? And if they tried to sell it to him and he said no but ill buy it for a lower price doesnt that mean he admits its their property and not his? Now since he didnt get his price he wants to take it for free? Correct me if im wrong

Pfft

Ron Paul could have explained that to the owners of the site - ie: "The contract states weneed to arbitrate this through ICANN, so I will be in touch with them and look forward to working out the details with you through that avenue."
Has Israel read the complaint? It is LAME. He is claiming common law copyright to his name because he is so famous. Whatever his rationale, he could have displayed SOME form of common courtesy and appreciation for supporters who ran the site true to his vision, rather than making it a smear site.
Unless that is an Israel puppet with RP's hand up his butt, I really don't care what he has to say, either. Ron Paul is the one with his "name" on the line, he needs to step up. Explain it to me, Ron.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

wow! look at all those downvotes.

don't hold your breath fishy. we've been had, it looks like.

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Hi Fishy,

I usually agree with you on most things. However, claiming a trademark under which you have been operating commercially is a long established principal originally established under common law. Under English Common Law, the owners of RonPaul.com have done what is known as "Passing Off." It was a violation of law 200 years ago, and it is still a violation to this day. Establishing a common law trademark has nothing to do with fame (a politician's name is not automatically trademarked), it has to do with protecting an individual who consistently engages in commercial activity (selling books, speaking for money, etc.) under the same "Mark". RP's legal team has an iron clad case under common law without relying on statutory law dreaded by Libertarians.

I DO agree that this situation could have been handled with a bit of congeniality and much more tact.. RP's legal team did not need to take such an aggressive posture.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

Ron Paul did not need to call

Ron Paul did not need to call corporatist lawyers on grassroots supporters. His lawyers represent Bank of America, Citibank, HSBC, etc. Nothing wrong with representing corporations, but was it really necessary to call in the big guns on his own grassroots supporters?

I agree

Thank you for not caring about down votes and speaking the very unpopular truth.
Ron Paul acted like a boar.

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Supporters?

Says who? They aren't ACTING like supporters. Words mean nothing. Actions mean everything.

I up voted

Ron Paul ran two campaigns as a messenger. What is the message he's giving us? What's his PRINCIPLE? He may be the most famous Ron Paul, but he is not the only Ron Paul. I think it's a fair question.

The message I'm getting is, "FAME AND FORTUNE ARE WORTHY OF JUSTICE. Those without neither fame or fortune do not deserve justice, but the force of democracy because they are worthless".

Thanks.

That means a lot coming from you.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

The owner

of ronpaul.com is the one making a big deal about Ron Paul going to the UN to make him look like a hypocrite. It's the only avenue and is STANDARD PROCEDURE for this kind of dispute, why would Ron Paul have to specify anything about ICANN being in the UN or not: that doesn't matter one bit because that's the only way these disputes are settled. Only the reactionaries that didn't even bother looking into it were deceived by what ronpaul.com is implying about Dr.Paul...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

It is not "the only way."

It is the "legal" way in a legal system that is bogus. There is the libertarian way - a human privately contracts with a human. There is the neighborly way, where a friend works out a deal with a friend.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

This is the

libertarian way. Libertarianism doesn't mean not needing some kind of arbitrator in a given situation when two parties think they have a legitimate claim to a property. What, perhaps, you fail to understand is that IF it is established that Ron Paul has a name on his trademark then the domain name ronpaul.com IS THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY of Ron Paul regardless on who the nominal owner is right now. Perhaps you don't agree with trademarks but that is another discussion.

What the current owners of the site are doing is that they are attacking Ron Paul's integrity and are using the reactionaries as leverage to pressure Ron Paul to drop the complaint. It's fair game but it's morally dishonest because they are counting the ignorance of some (regarding free markets and libertarianism) and it is evidence, to me, that they were never true supporters of liberty as they don't care pitting us against each other, they're the ones that don't care breaking their own principles (assuming that those principles were ever the principles of Liberty). Let's get this straight, it's not Ron Paul that's pitting us against each other, it's the owners of ronpaul.com by implying (falsely) that Ron Paul is somehow betraying his own principles.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

And what if you offer that

And what if you offer that "friend" $50,000, and he turns around and initially asks you for $800,000?

I'm sorry, but that's not a friend. That's somebody trying to rip you off. $50,000 was a ridiculously generous offer to begin with, for a domain which cost $10.

If Ron Paul would have bought the domain for $800k, or even the $250k that they're asking now - he would have been an idiot.

Not really...

Just because the domain cost $10 to the very first registration doesn't mean that's what it is worth. If Ron Paul would have bought it for $250k he'd have been in good shape, especially considering they also offered a very large list of emails. But by the same token he shouldn't have to, it is his domain name, it was stolen/sniped (ILLEGAL) from HIM, not the other way around.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

"especially considering they

"especially considering they also offered a very large list of emails"

He's not asking for the emails, or any content for that matter. He's just asking for the domain name. The domain name and website are two separate entities.

Which brings up another point, when did the RonPaul.com subscribers give their consent to have their e-mail addresses sold?

Anyways, the only reason the domain name would be worth more than $10, is not because of the current owners, it's because of Ron Paul himself.

big deal as in publicizing what's happening?

There are two sides to a story.. Ron Paul being the famous one, with more money than all the owners of ronpaul.com combined, surely can afford to EDUCATE us his position rather than leaving us guessing. It seems he's saying, "I'm famous so I am deserving." Note I said "SEEMS", because the most disturbing part of this situation is his silence.

No, big deal

as in implying that Ron Paul is somehow betraying his principles by following standard procedure for this kind of dispute.

It's your responsibility to educate yourself about the situation if knowing about the situation that is what you want. Dr.Paul doesn't have to paint a portrait for each and every step he makes: if you wish to know more about what or why he's doing things then it's your responsibility to research and find out.

ronpaul.com is banking on the reaction of the reactionaries to further inflame the situation in the hope that Dr.Paul withdraws his dispute, that is what is going on and he's implying things that are deceitful...

Are you betraying your principles by using Federal Reserve Notes in your day to day commerce?

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

I agree it is MY responsibilty to educate myself

If this was about thegranger.com, and I called myself a messenger, I would take this opportunity to educate my audience/supporters.

But this is not about thegranger.com, it is about ronpaul.com, and as someone who LOVES Ron Paul, and his weekly messages, and seeing him on YouTubes.. I would like to see/hear his side of this, not a third party opinion.

I have never made a post saying RON PAUL IS WRONG or RON PAUL IS A HYPOCRITE, or anything to slander or hurt Ron Paul. I am saying IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR RON PAUL TO SAY SOMETHING so I am not assuming, "because he is famous, he is deserving".

As for "betraying MY principles using FRNs".. you are now attacking me. And what bothers me about this change of subject on your part is that it means you have nothing to support Ron Paul here but your feelings of LOVE. I think your feeling of LOVE for Ron Paul is beautiful, and I do not want to deminish that.

Is Ron Paul betraying his principles by using FRNs?
This isn't about me. Why go there?

You see that is how

You see that is how YOU would act if it was about your domain name, not necessarily how everyone or how anyone SHOULD act given the situation. He has no obligation or even responsibility to explain trademark laws or domain name dispute procedure or anything else; all he's doing is protecting his name and this is the procedure to do it. Furthermore, in your last reply to me, you said that he can AFFORD to educate us because he's so famous: that to me sounds like you think that only because he can educate us that he should, you're imposing this on him.

As for the FRN: Ok I has assumed (wrongly) that you agreed with some here that Ron Paul is betraying his own principles by following standard procedure. I apologize and I simply wanted to draw an analogy on how we all use FRN (almost by obligation) but that it doesn't mean that we aren't principled regarding sound money.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

This is why it's so important to me RP say something

I'm not getting the silence. I understand the rule, "When it comes to silver, silence is golden".

I'm not saying RP has an obligation. I'm not saying what RP should, would, or could do. I'm saying that he's losing this battle because I am not alone in having no answer from or for him to his enemies.

I don't have any answers, only questions. He has every right to tell me to get lost.

They say he's hypocritical.

They say he's a greedy.

They say he's a fraud.

I say NOTHING.. just like him.

Voice of reason.

"It's your responsibility to educate yourself about the situation if knowing about the situation that is what you want. Dr.Paul doesn't have to paint a portrait for each and every step he makes: if you wish to know more about what or why he's doing things then it's your responsibility to research and find out."

I wholeheartedly agree!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

No he doesn't have to paint a portrait

I'm not asking Ron Paul for a masterpeice.

I'm asking what is Ron Paul's reasoning in a personal message. I've been listening to personal messages from Ron Paul for years, so why not on this. What's the lesson?

Six years of promoting ronpaul.com with respect to Ron Paul is worthless?

"Six years of promoting

"Six years of promoting ronpaul.com with respect to Ron Paul is worthless?"

More like, four years of profiting off of Ron Paul's name and image, and not paying him a penny for it.

Did you know that a lot of people thought Ron Paul ran ronpaul.com? They didn't even add the words "fan site" to the logo until August of 2010!

Why are you taking the side of RonPaul.com on this issue? Seriously, step back and ask yourself this question.

I'm not taking any side

I'm saying that because Ron Paul has clamed HE IS A MESSANGER, that I'm not getting his message concerning ronpaul.com from HIM.

I'm all for a free market and capitalism, so I have no beef with anyone making a profit, and I highly doubt they did not send him money for his campaign. They did not slander him. They could have used that site to hurt him as others in his past who wrote articles that were racist did. He protected those writers who write in his name. I guess they were FAMOUS and LOVED and WORTHY, unlike these Ron Paul supporters?

There are namy people named Ron Paul.

Anyways.. I find the excuses are not satisfactory when it comes to answering to those who HATE Ron Paul.. "So what about this ronpaul.com thing, Granger" What say you?

Well, I say nothing.. I have no informatiuon, I have no defense, I only have LOVE LOVE LOVE for Ron Paul, who is famous and deserving and FAR more WORTHY than any fan who made a blog with his name, promoted him with integrity and probably never gave Ron Paul a dime, because really.. they were NEVER Ron Paul fans at all.. they were theives from the beginning and even though they never said anything bad about him, and their site wasn't so busy,, they are NOTHING. Ron Paul is FAMOUS so he is deserving. THEY ARE NOTHINGS and WORTHLESS. SIX years later, when it's conveinent to Ron Paul who is far more WORTHY than any supporter.. they should GIVE Ron Paul THEIR site, give up ownership, NO REWARD, but rather expect NOTHING, because THE ARE WORTHLESS NOTHINGS and Ron Paul is famous and wonderful and smart and everybody LOVES him. No one LOVES WORTHLESS Ron Paul supporters.

"and I highly doubt they did

"and I highly doubt they did not send him money for his campaign"

They can't, they live in another country. And the business/domain was registered in another country as well.

All they did was siphon money away from the liberty movement and padded their pockets with it.

Plenty of people sent money to PACS

there ws many ways to fund Ron Paul. As a delegate, I was made mane offers from people who lived overseas. I did not take any money or banners from them.. actually had some sent to me from India and had them returned, UPS refused to return them. I refused to acfept them. But others did.

You have no proof what they did or did not do, and I'm not siding with them, it's just I believe people are innocent until proven guilty and this is no court and I honestly don't KNOW, but am curious to find out.

Ron Paul should say something rather than having others do it for him. Being a messanger is not always easy, eh?

"What's the lesson?"

Very good question.

In my spare time I am researching this on my own and hope to have a deeper understanding of the complexities. Dr. Ron Paul has always advocated learning/education :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul