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Constructive Anarchist Thread

This website---The Daily Paul---was inspired by a man whose great claim as a member of congress is that he was unable to get his legislation enacted. He is a man whose greatest fear in running for office was that he might be elected. Indeed he is a man who said the Constitution was a "pretty good" contract between the government and the people, but he spent his career and his every effort trying to reduce the size and influence of the government it claimed to create. Listen to his words. Look at his actions. He must recognize that this so-called contract was never one with consent. He must recognize that it was an elitist document imposed on "the people" by force. If Ron Paul does feel there is an acceptable level and use for government, the world around him never let the size of it reach anything close to the level he desires or considers acceptable.

Of course he was accused of being an "anarchist" by his opponents, and even if he was, he couldn't say it. But his efforts were consistent with ours. When I say "ours" I mean anarchists. I mean people like Lew Rockwell, Thomas Woods, and Larkin Rose. They all use different language, and I'm not happy with the language myself, but we all agree (and agree with Ron Paul) that the government we have experienced is a detriment to society. It is sociopathic, and the people who believe in it are psychopaths---they are completely devoid of conscience with regard to their deliberate initiation of violence against others. Of course, the problem is that they comprise 99.9 percent of the population around us. Nevertheless, on this one issue, we are right.

I have created something below. It is an idea. It is a written contract with no signatories---or more properly for those whose word means enough that they need not be written. It is a seed for the creation of an anarchist society.

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You and I both know that anyone who desires any level or form of government, especially anyone who desires to participate in it, is an aggressive psychopath. The world around us is filled with aggressive psychopaths, but we are not among them.

It may be that children are born aggressive psychopaths. I have considered you carefully as an individual. I have considered myself. I have concluded we are mature people who have cast psychotic tendencies from our minds and developed good will.

With these things in mind, I propose this solemn and reciprocal commitment between the two of us. This is not a proposal I would make to a child; it is not a proposal I make lightly.

(1) Under no circumstances will I kill you.

(2) Under no circumstances will I coerce you.

(3) Under all circumstances I will seek your well-being.

If you agree, it is done.
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I suggest this as a step forward for anarchists and human society. One pairing---one "marriage"---at a time we can build our anarchist society. We must do that or face extinction. We must do it or face the extinction of any level of liberty which can be considered human.

I make this public because the believers in government cannot build a human society. Their foundation is slavery, aggression, and distrust. They have put their trust in the imaginary savior "government," and they must see our example as much as we must see it.




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Crime exists

I do not want to communicate any negativity concerning any effort between honest people as they seek to find each other.

There is, on the other hand, a criminal among us, and there are a few more than one, and then there are the few of that criminal group who have been known to set aside their differences and they organize into a criminal gang, and then, even worse for honest people, there are those criminal gangs who have figured out how to make their crimes legal for them to perpetrate while they convince their victims that these same criminals are going to protect those victims from harm, and if you have a better term for those people than the term I use, then we can use your term and we can avoid using my term.

I call a criminal a criminal because a criminal defines the meaning of a crime as a criminal resorts to deception, threats of violence, and aggressive violence upon a targeted innocent victim chosen by the criminal.

I call a gang of criminals an organized crime gang of criminals.

I call a gang of criminals who take over an otherwise voluntary form of government by the term Legal Criminal.

You can use whatever terms you want, but if you claim that there is no such thing as a Voluntary Government, which is something that has existed, does exist, and can exist into the future, as not existing, then you are either ignorant or you do know that voluntary governments have existed, do exist, and can exist, and you are resorting to deceit for some reason; and I can guess the reason, and I can find out the reason, and you can confess the reason if you do know better, and if you are resorting to deception.

There are many very effective lies and this is one of them. The lie that voluntary government cannot exist works to divide and conquer the targeted, innocent, victims.

Perhaps we are on the same "side" here, and language makes communication very difficult.

Case in point:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/160/029/976/

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The people demanding a legitimate democratic assignment of leadership POWER (that can be revoked by the people) hereby attest to our POWER in numbers.

We hereby assign ourselves as leaders of the free world to be counted as such by any other pretenders to the throne. Any laws made by any one of us will apply to every other of us from now on until the extinction of the human race.

Any one pretending to be above the law will be viewed by us as a person volunteering to go outside the universal law.

Universal law applies to everyone equally and blindly.

We the innocent and law abiding citizens of the world attest to our POWER in enforcing universal law by revoking all licenses now enforcing prejudice of any kind upon the innocent; we do so by signing this public petition.

No longer will the power to punish be wielded by criminals. When our number reaches critical mass - legalized crime will no longer be tolerated. We will throw the criminals out of office. No more. No less.
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Anarchism, as far as my study goes, does not mean that there is no government, and there is a saying that expresses this understanding as such: anarchism is not "no rules", rather, anarchism is "no (false) rulers".

Anarchism, as far as my study goes, goes back to Zeno of Citium and the Stoics as such:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno_of_Citium

Example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism

"Zeno urged the need to lay down a basis for Logic because the wise person must know how to avoid deception."

In America there are 4 notable anarchists starting with Josiah Warren who invented, produced, and maintained examples of Voluntary Government in his work titled Equitable Commerce.

http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf

Governing principles are explained in great detail and quotes of relevance include:

[Responsibility must be Individual, or there is no responsibility at all.]

Lysander Spooner's work included a proposal for competitive money.

http://lysanderspooner.org/node/40

An Essay on Trial by Jury (useful for any effort to defend against crime)

http://www.barefootsworld.net/trial01.html

An expose on The Constitution titled No Treason.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/spooner1.html

I have to go at the moment, but there are criminals among us and dealing with them in an organized, voluntary, way is to be ignored at a cost.

Back.

Also by Lysander Spooner is a very useful report on the Science of Justice that includes a useful soundbite.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&sta...

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The ancient maxim makes the sum of a man’s legal duty to his fellow men to be simply this: “To live honestly, to hurt no one, to give to every one his due.”

This entire maxim is really expressed in the single words, to live honestly; since to live honestly is to hurt no one, and give to every one his due.
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Moving onto the rich history of American Anarchism is the example offered by Benjamin Tucker.

http://praxeology.net/BT-SSA.htm

Here is where someone wanting to know why criminals organize into Mobs that then take over Voluntary Government do so, and how they do so, and along the way the move from Voluntary Government to Involuntary Crime Made Legal, Legal Crime, or just Involuntary Government, along the way, there are casualties such as an organized effort for defense, by honest people, using names to accurately identify their numbers, whereby said organized effort of volunteers, seeking the power of organized defense, are corrupted, and the labels, the names, the terms, are counterfeited.

Where once a person may call themselves a Rebel, for example, the term Rebel becomes, in time, a term that is falsely associated with a criminal.

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts, is a saying that applies to such things, such things as Trojan Horses.

So what are we to do now boss?

Joe

OK

We might be on the same page. I am only a criminal to the extent that I support and depend on the current system of legalized crime.

Perhaps your "voluntary government" equals my "anarchy;" my "government" equals your "gang of legal criminals." In any case, my point is to encourage people to individually make a commitment to each other because the time is coming when such understanding and alliance will be absolutely necessary. The gang of legal criminals is letting us breath for the moment, but that situation will not persist indefinitely.

Perhaps we part ways in that I think extremely locally. I want a solid commitment with one or two others I can trust. When we are self-sufficient, connected to our neighboring land, and organized to defend it, then I'll worry about building on that. You seem to envision a bit bigger and looser structure. I don't begrudge you that, but I sure hope you can trust it. I hope your "innocent and law abiding citizens of the world" are innocent as much as they are powerful. I may be skeptical about that, but I cannot judge. Therefore, all the best to you.

Update: And I see that you have exactly two signers of your petition. Since this is precisely what my contract above envisions, maybe you ought to get together with Chad and discuss your common defense.

Modular Vertical Farming Units?

farmer,

You wrote the following and at that point I was immediately inspired to respond; without yet reading any further.

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Perhaps your "voluntary government" equals my "anarchy;" my "government" equals your "gang of legal criminals."
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I've read your words on this forum and not only do I agree with those words, I think that with effort we can demonstrate how true those words are in demonstrable fact - ao much for my opinions.

I read further and again I see no reason to continue reading without offering a quick reply.

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In any case, my point is to encourage people to individually make a commitment to each other because the time is coming when such understanding and alliance will be absolutely necessary.
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The principle governing such behavior as described above would be a voluntary arrangement among the individuals agreeing to that arrangement and the goal would be moved toward as time went on by, and the goal would be moved measurably closer in ways that were as agreeable, and as voluntary, so as to actually justify the arrangement in some way. What is that principle?

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The gang of legal criminals is letting us breath for the moment, but that situation will not persist indefinitely.
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The gang in question has been growing stronger and larger since at least 1788 in America and yet it is a gang that depends upon honest producers of anything worth stealing, so the POWER we have is still ours to recognize and then command at will.

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Perhaps we part ways in that I think extremely locally.
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Here is where I will give you the benefit of doubt and not automatically take your words as being an extremely insulting comment.

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Perhaps we part ways in that I think extremely locally. I want a solid commitment with one or two others I can trust.
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Here is my doubt growing as to what I think I should credit you with, as your words are beginning to have that deceptive tone directed at me personally.

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Perhaps we part ways in that I think extremely locally. I want a solid commitment with one or two others I can trust. When we are self-sufficient, connected to our neighboring land, and organized to defend it, then I'll worry about building on that. You seem to envision a bit bigger and looser structure.
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The familiar ring of falsehood is built upon assumption, and you make claims concerning my use of logic; which I find to be specially insulting.

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I don't begrudge you that, but I sure hope you can trust it. I hope your "innocent and law abiding citizens of the world" are innocent as much as they are powerful. I may be skeptical about that, but I cannot judge. Therefore, all the best to you.
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The link to my early effort to petition other people, to find friend from foe, employed the word "law," and since then I have found cause to question the words meaning.

I think there may be at least two working meanings for that one word.

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Law is whichever person or group of like minded people overpower their targets while using deception, threats of violence, and violence.

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Law is whichever arrangement is agreeable to every person volunteering to such an arrangement; without exception.

You may understand how the path of life is a work in progress.

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Update: And I see that you have exactly two signers of your petition. Since this is precisely what my contract above envisions, maybe you ought to get together with Chad and discuss your common defense.
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As I understand Law there is no need for contact during marketing surveys.

Chad may have felt the same way, he or she never contacted me.

Joe

Well, we have a deal.

So many good threads go by unnoticed...

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...