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Enough is Enough. Do We Want The Constitution FOR The United States of America Be Reinstated, Yes or No?

If yes, here's what we're going to do:

First, we are going to write a letter, and that letter will be:

The Declaration to Reinstate the U.S. Constitution, with List of Grievances

Second, we are going to ask our single one champion defender of the U.S. Constitution since August 15th, 1971, Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul, to read this letter on behalf of The People before the three branches - Executive, Judicial, and Legislative - and the general public of the United States of America.

The Foundations Texts are out there. They MUST BE reinstated IN THEIR LITERAL MEANING, IN THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT to defend and protect the People's inalienable rights that they stated EXPLICITLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL.

The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights were NOT meant to be living documents treaded upon by champions of the semantics and of today's politician newspeak, to give them (texts) whatever interpretation would serve best the special interests of a few - public officials or private actors.

Let us show the People's representatives WHO TOOK OATH TO DEFEND AND PROTECT the U.S. Constitution that the People STILL REMEMBERS the Founding Principles that the Founding Fathers had intended to be for this country's Peace, Justice, and Prosperity - SECURED BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE - not by nor for the state.

Although the list of grievances promises to be long, we ought to keep it as structured as possible, topic-wise, and also whenever possible, clearly stating which branch is especially pointed to, for every grievance.

We should start NOW.

Writers needed, FIRST.

Dr. Ron Paul's public relations needed, SECOND.

Fundraisers needed, THIRD.

For liberty.

God Bless America.

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Cyril's picture

NOBODY made a GREATER MISTAKE than he who did NOTHING

"NOBODY made a GREATER MISTAKE than he who did NOTHING because he could do only A LITTLE."

-- Edmund Burke

"Burke expressed his support for the grievances of the American colonies under the government of King George III and his appointed representatives. On 19 April 1774 Burke made a speech[...]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke#American_War_of_In...

Hence, THIS POST, Thank you.

Cyril

"The demand of a great people is always at the scale of its most serious misfortunes."

-- Charles de Gaulle

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

A big, almost impossible task lies ahead.

First, I do agree that for all practical purposes the Constitution is no longer followed except possibly in certain trivial instances.

Therein lies the rub. We are so far astray from the Constitution that the task of restoring it would be truly monumental - if, by restoring it, we mean to follow it as originally intended.

Some things that I see that would need to be done.
*Restore the gold standard.
*End the Fed.
*End Social Security, Medicare and the Part D drug plan.
*Terminate virtually all of the government departments (e,g., the Department of Education) and agencies.
*Go through the zillions of regulations on business and determine if any pass constitutional muster.
*Scale back the Department of War so that it truly a Department of Defense.
and on and on and on...

Then there is parallel problem of the reorganization of state governments. Many of the programs that are unconstitutional at the federal level are perfectly O.K. at the state level. No doubt many states would want to pick up those programs.

Above all, the power to interpret the Constitution needs to be removed from the federal government. To allow a branch of the federal government to determine the extent of its own powers does not make sense.

If there are some powers that would be impractical to return to the states then let's be honest and pass an amendment to keep that power at the federal level. But does this open the door to trouble?

Cyril's picture

I Accuse.

It is very possible that the Constitution did fail.

Or rather: that NOBODY defended it properly IN TIME.

Only Ron Paul stood up to defend it as best as he could but he only came around in 1971.

God Bless Ron Paul. But:

your Congress was ALREADY corrupt,

your Senate was ALREADY corrupt,

your Supreme Court was ALREADY corrupt and God-powers hungry.

For, that's the latter who were supposed to be the defenders of last chance of your text, and they've been only massaging it for their OWN agenda.

WHO, in their sane mind, would allow central banking and its banksters take over the VERY notion of money for an entire people and country?

Answer : NO-THE-FREAKING-BODY.

They RAPED your founding father's legacy, they are still RAPING YOU, us all. Even more so, by the minute.

So, what do we do, now?

What if trying to reinstate it or not wouldn't matter, in fact?

Would that still prevent us TO SPEAK OUT LOUD and in numbers to their face?

Would that still prevent us to ACCUSE, after only denouncing?

Would it not be the time to ACCUSE with all the intelligence and wisdom of liberty?

Would it not be the time for EVERY SINGLE of the 50 States to make the same accusation?

What do we risk? To make the government angry against us?

And so, what? Isn't it ALREADY unjust and doesn't it have the plan to coerce us ANYWAY?

This is coming to us NO MATTER WHAT, I think.

I believe it is time to at least call a spade "a spade" and engage in the non-violent WAR, LOUDLY, for all the other peoples on other Continents to see.

I accuse the U.S. Government of rape against the People's rights since 1913.

I accuse the three branches of complicity and active participation in the crime.

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

It is very possible that the Constitution did fail.

Can someone please tell me how "the constitution can succeed?"

IT'S JUST A PIECE OF PAPER! IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING!!! People are sitting around waiting for the constitution to get up off it's a** and DO SOMETHING they are going to be waiting a real long time...

...and that is the general feeling of lame stream America.

Cyril's picture

Well, bear with me, thanks,

Well, bear with me, thanks, I've been on U.S. soil for 4 years only.

And no offense, but:

Now, what have you Americans, besides Ron Paul and just a handful others, been up to, denouncing, in front of your country's foundations treasonous demolition ongoing?

Sorry if that sounds harsh, it probably does, but I am now essentially trying to move on beyond just the sad assessment.

Also, I respect other people's point of view.

Assuming you are right and you may have been so before anyone else...

... fine with me.

Can we present it to all to see, and accuse, now?

We seemingly still have the first amendment usable for that.

Isn't any sort of non violent action for spreading more public knowledge about this plunder worth trying?

Anyone care?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Well, my new fellow American, some of us have been

studying true Law. Vince is one of those.
Where do rights come from? Did you have any rights before you got to this country? Yes, you did. Wherever you came from, you had the exact same rights bestowed upon you at birth as any of us. Your government was more tyrannical, my government looked like a "beacon on the hill" perhaps. The truth is simple: Tyranny is tyranny, whether you are beaten with a bare fist or a velvet glove, you are being beaten by government forces that seek to deny you the rights you were born with. While Ron Paul sought to improve the way the tyrants behaved, some of us are trying to end the legacy of tyranny. The Constitution is the framework that enabled tyranny to take hold in this country, to insist it is perfect and all we really need is to go back to it is not rational.
Humans are born to self govern. It is a scary, terrible responsible way to live, but it is the only real liberty there is.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

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Okay,

Okay, dear fishy, sounds fair enough to me.

We ought to keep taking care of ourselves, but at some point I'd like us to gather and make more public this statement of ours.

For, I believe we still can... for now.

But for how much longer?

I'm getting more and more worried, just so you all know.

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Awwww, honey....

I am way past worried, been through scared spitless and mad as hell, lingered too long in "hopeless" and finally got to today.
I once longed for a massive gathering... I got to attend the Rally for the Republic in 2008, and it was friggin' awesome. Truth is, if someone held a mass gathering, I would not attend. I mean, if it was in Boise I would go, but how many of you are willing to come to Boise? I cannot go much further, I have a farm. Those who are truly living for liberty can not spend any more time waving signs or having feel good get-togethers. Want to know the "gathering" that would really work? There has been an effort going on for years, global resistance: "United We Strike." When We The People stop circulating the FRNs, we will finally be in a position to take a meaningful stand. No one has to travel, indeed, everyone has to NOT travel for one day a month. The effort has never gained traction, and I doubt it ever will.
Really, the ONLY liberty you can fight for is your own. The sense of security you gain from having your freezer full of non-GMO food that you grew... And while we all sit around wondering when the BIG shoe will fall, the garden is a wonderful place to pass the time.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

tasmlab's picture

Let's chuck it

I'd prefer constitutionalism over the POS we have now, but I think it would be better to dissolve it and become 50 sovereigns to start, with maybe a goal to be 10,000 states later on. Something like that.

The federal level is good for war, corporatism and systemizing a poor population. Your local govt does mostly benign useful things like fix potholes and put out fires and mows the grass at parks. All of which can be done privately, but wouldn't those be nice conversations to have, like whether garbage collection should be communal or not. No one would even bother being libertarian anymore. You'd just move a few miles to the next community that more reflected your preferences.

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Cyril's picture

Thank you all for your replies.

Thank you all for your replies.

Although some are not encouraging, I know they are honest and sincere.

Bear with me. I've seen my own people's neglect and all the harm and plunder it created against us over there.

And now I've come to realize how much of the same has been happening here, in the USA.

You here don't deserve it.

And I wanted to scream.

Because that's how I feel before all this infamy.

Feeling helpless by bursts never lasts long:

that always ends up making me mad, furious, when I read DAILY about the traitors against YOUR founding texts.

Sorry for the rant.

I only wish we could do more to reject what we suffer, as we are being boiled.

Take care.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Start from scratch.

Reinstate the Declaration of Independence and become 50 independent States.

grant

It's a YES if, AND ONLY IF...

You change the post title to: "Enough is Enough. Do We Want The Constitution !FOR! The United States of America Be Reinstated, Yes or No?"

It's SOOO important to distinguish between the current Constitution that most of us live under (when we identify ourselves as Citizens of the United States) and the ACTUAL Constitution they through into the janitors closet in 1871. Claim your sovereignty and recognize you are a citizen of which sovereign State you reside! I am NOT willing to through money at a symptom of the disease when the real sickness is lack of understanding of their domicile.

EVERYONE READ THIS IF YOU HAVE YET TO DO SO. THEN DECIDE YES OR NO TO THE QUESTION PRESENTED!!!

http://www.barefootsworld.net/constit1.html

Barefoot's World
http://www.barefootsworld.net/index.html#ronpaul

~Good Night, And Good Luck~

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"It's a YES if, AND ONLY IF... You change the post title": Done.

"It's a YES if, AND ONLY IF... You change the post title": Done.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Thanks A Lot!!!

No.

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the "missing" 13th amendment

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the united States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

the founders were concerned about lawyers selling us out to foreign influences.

without this amendment being enforced, the others are in extreme peril.

Interesting to note, Romney & Obama are both lawyers, thereby excluding them from the presidency. Someone needs to tell Gary Johnson that he is technically OUR PRESIDENT NOW!

Label Jars, Not People!

Nope.

Reverting back to the Articles of Confederation would be a step in the right direction. Atleast until people get their mouth of the tit and learn how to manage human affairs non-violently.

The system is the problem.

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.”
Lysander Spooner 1867

My thoughts exactly, bring

My thoughts exactly, bring back the Articles. Thanks for the Spooner quote!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

It was that quote that changed my perception of the Constitution

Some of the Founders did their best to restrict "The natural progress ...for liberty to yield,and government to gain ground" (TJefferson), but they were ultimately not successful.

Once the power was centralized by the Constitution, it was only a matter of time before it began to grow out of control.

“Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.”
― P.J. O'Rourke

It's a gobsmacker.

It got me, too. Do I want to bring back a document that utterly failed? Not so much. I am WILLING to use it as a compromise while we work toward a BETTER solution.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

fireant's picture

Power wasn't centralized by the Constitution until...

exactly 100 years ago thanks to Woodrow Wilson. The 16th and 17th Amendments and the Federal Reserve Act, combined, is what centralized power.

Undo what Wilson did

The frog was in the pot long before that

1791 - Whiskey Rebellion
1798 - Alien and Sedition Acts
1861-1865 the so-called "Civil War"

All exercises of Federal power after the revered Constitution was adopted.

Regardless of the date you pick, Spooner's observation applies.

fireant's picture

Fine, but the topic was Constitutional consolidation,

which did not occur until 1913.
Spooner's observation is erroneous, as it omits the primary ingredient of Constitutional validity; the people must know it and take ownership. No piece of paper can by itself prevent human nature from centralizing power.

Undo what Wilson did

Sounds like you're agreeing with Spooner

in that a piece of paper was powerless to prevent centralizing power.

You may want to examine the 14th amendment, passed in 1868, which has been a massive expansion of the federal government to intervene in laws passed by the States.

You may agree or disagree with the intent of the 14th amendment, but it's hard to argue that this did not add more powers to the federal government, at which time Woodrow Wilson was 12 years old.

I started to read Spooner

I started to read Spooner after hearing Ron Paul quote him while running in 2007

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Problem

I can feel your pain, but unless you're going to add something to your grievances, I can't see that what you are suggesting will be anything but ignored. After all, Dr. Paul has been declaring exactly these things before Congress for many years.

As long as they can ignore grievances, they will. It's not like they don't know. What they do know, is that we are in no position to do anything about it, so why should they care?

The logical conclusion is that we need to get in a position to be able to do something about it. When that happens, respect to the opinions of mankind may or may not require some explanation and list of grievances. But until that happens, what's the point?

The only thing I'll say is

The only thing I'll say is that there has to be a central authority to interpret the constitution.

Accor ding to the constitution the supreme court is the final arbiter when it comes to constitutional issues. So if you ha e grievances, take them to court. If they also say that the laws are constitutional then there is nothing you can do short of civil disobedience or simply breaking the law.

That's not true

10th Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Where in the United States Constitution does it give the authority to the federal government (for example) to:

Legislate and regulate marriage
Legislate and regulate healthcare, to create commerce in order to regulate it
Legislate and regulate the right of the people to keep and bear arms

The Supreme Court has the authority to interpret laws that fall within the confines of the United States Constitution. All other matters are left to the States respectively, or to the people. Obamacare, DOMA, a federal registry for guns are all outside the confines of the US Constitution, no matter what the Supreme Court decides.