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Enough is Enough. Do We Want The Constitution FOR The United States of America Be Reinstated, Yes or No?

If yes, here's what we're going to do:

First, we are going to write a letter, and that letter will be:

The Declaration to Reinstate the U.S. Constitution, with List of Grievances

Second, we are going to ask our single one champion defender of the U.S. Constitution since August 15th, 1971, Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul, to read this letter on behalf of The People before the three branches - Executive, Judicial, and Legislative - and the general public of the United States of America.

The Foundations Texts are out there. They MUST BE reinstated IN THEIR LITERAL MEANING, IN THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT to defend and protect the People's inalienable rights that they stated EXPLICITLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL.

The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights were NOT meant to be living documents treaded upon by champions of the semantics and of today's politician newspeak, to give them (texts) whatever interpretation would serve best the special interests of a few - public officials or private actors.

Let us show the People's representatives WHO TOOK OATH TO DEFEND AND PROTECT the U.S. Constitution that the People STILL REMEMBERS the Founding Principles that the Founding Fathers had intended to be for this country's Peace, Justice, and Prosperity - SECURED BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE - not by nor for the state.

Although the list of grievances promises to be long, we ought to keep it as structured as possible, topic-wise, and also whenever possible, clearly stating which branch is especially pointed to, for every grievance.

We should start NOW.

Writers needed, FIRST.

Dr. Ron Paul's public relations needed, SECOND.

Fundraisers needed, THIRD.

For liberty.

God Bless America.



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Your constitution must have

Your constitution must have specified the highest appelate authority for constitutional matters right?

Isn't that the Supreme Court?

Yes, and

you're missing the point.

I really don't think I am. If

I really don't think I am. If the Federal govt. does overreach, then it is up to the Supreme Court to decide if it has.

So everything you call unconstitutional, if taken to the SCOTUS, if upheld there must be taken to be constitutional. Surely the conception of liberty that you have has to address this issue...

Try for something realistic

How about repealing your country's ban on incandescent light bulbs.

You'll have about as much success.

NO!

we want the 1787 "Constitution for the united States of America" restored - not the imposter from 1870 known as "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA".

I hope you'll look into it a little further.

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Fine. Sorry for my ignorance.

Fine. Sorry for my ignorance. I'd be happy with the first 13 amendments anyway, not a single one more.

Still, shall we start seeking writers for our list of grievances?

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Hi Cyril - there are TWO

not really ignorance - we've all been lead astray. Such a small detail - "of" instead of "for" - but it changes everything, including which document is being referenced.

Most people say Constitution OF (1870 corporate version), not realizing that there are two - and the second one, the "OF" version (in all caps) is the wrong one.

The "FOR" version is the one drafted by the founders.

here, this might help: http://www.usavsus.info/

Maybe Judge Napolitano

Would write it.

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Thank You for your being constructive.

Thank You for your being constructive.

You know, this thought alone saddens me utterly and frightens me, actually: we might end up sitting on our hands and miss the opportunity of using the power of the 1st Amendment past the point of no return.

Especially in a world where the MSM propaganda machine is already almost almighty rigging events around only a few individuals no matter how great they are, such as Dr. Ron Paul.

My intuition is it'd be still difficult for them with hundreds of thousands gathered in one day, in one place. Around the same outstanding speaker.

Is the idea in my post that of a daydreamer? Idealist? Or just too challenging for those being stolen their liberty?

I refuse to accept the latter.

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Delete

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Yes.

What is consent? Voting? Sending contributions?

How does on withdraw consent?

Free includes debt-free!

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I elaborated a bit again, just below, in response to Johny-Boy.

I elaborated a bit again, just below, in response to Johny-Boy.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I fully agree

But there is one problem as I see it.

The Constitution is the "Law of the Land," But those who seek to petition The United States with grievances must have standing.

US citizens are presumptive nationals of a federal territory such as Washington DC, which is not a State of the Union of American Republics, as it is not party to the Constitution for the United States, and exists territorially outside its jurisdiction. Its people, therefore, are subjects under the US government and also exist outside the jurisdictional "Law of the Land." They are thus literal "outlaws" in the states in which they reside, and therefore lack standing in their grievances.

Only Nationals of the several Republics which make up the American Union have standing to make such claims. They are the ones who occupy the 'Land" under which the State and Federal Constitutions are the law. Where are these people of the States?

And if you are not one of them, who are you, or what is the evidence of your claim?

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

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Who I am doesn't matter, I am insignificant.

Who I am doesn't matter, I am insignificant. I am not even a citizen.

Can a list of grievances be made? Or do we have nothing to complain about?

If we have things to complain about, although of fairly different topics, couldn't that be made in a fashion similar to that of the event and people MLK assembled around him at the time?

Can't we at least show up some time, somewhere, for all the medias and people to see or do we consider upfront it's hopeless anyway and not even worth trying?

I mentioned a possible spokesperson already.

What my post was suggesting is maybe we could give thoughts to writing, together, a speech, an address to the nation, for the speaker to deliver in public on our behalf.

It doesn't matter of course we are a minority, to make the point : it's all about the density, in content, of such a would-be text.

I suspect we already have mounts of things to denounce. That will be no problem to elaborate upon, I think.

Keeping short enough sure would(will?) be challenging, however.

Wouldn't it?

But again, just an idea. Still.

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There is no misunderstanding

I mean no disrespect. When I said "who are you" at the end I was speaking euphemistically, not specifically to you Cyril. Though you DO matter, by the way.

...And I certainly don't mean to suggest that such a document would have no value written by anyone affected by the tyranny and fraud that has been perpetrated upon all who live North of Mexico and South of Canada.

My point is merely that, as a list of grievances to those who exercise control, it may have more of a binding lawful effect if it were to be representative of the grievances of the beneficiaries of the original American republics than the serfs of the master government.

This is why you do matter. Your standing matters, as does everyone's. At least as a serf of the United States one could claim fraud. If one is neither a US citizen or a state National, he is either a national of some other country or a stateless person. Neither of which have grounds for grievances against the US for its abuses of the people who live in and among the several American Republics.

So, would this document be a set of grievances based in law by people with standing in that law form, or an educational document describing the fraud perpetrated by the US upon "its" people? Both have their place and their purposes.

Just thought it would be helpful to be clear, because if the document ever says "we," it is important who "we" are.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

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Refer to my quoting Burke in this thread.

On your last two paragraphs:

refer to my quoting Burke in this thread.

I at least tried to bring this approach to your attention.

We might be able to inspire ourselves with it.

But really, I do not know what's yours, mine, theirs, fate.

Obviously.

We may also well be past the point of no return where it's to each their own taking care of self, not united as people of the states any longer.

Time will tell, as always.

I wish us good luck.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Point #1 : Writing - The Spirit

In the spirit, the letter should articulate around ALL THE HARM ALREADY DONE because of seeing the Constitution as a living document as the current POTUS does:

http://unspy.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/obama-constitution-is-...

and oppose it to the wisdom of NOT seeing it as a living document:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul718.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul298.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

Pretty much everything else (negative) is a consequence of this UTTER INFAMY against language (and rational logic, itself - exercise to the reader: point me where is the fallacy of Obama's point), and ultimately...

the People.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

This is exactly why

I joined the GOP, petitoned for ballot access and was lected to a committee seat, and elected trasurer and will attend the CA GOP convention to vote as a delegate for liberty candidates so we can restore america to constitutional government.

Where's the teeth?

Impeachments and petitions to remove officials that have violated their oath and office, followed by a general election to fill these positions. Perhaps a formal challenge to all legislation and operations of the federal government that contradict constitutional principles, followed be an appeal of such laws and operations.

Are you familiar with the

Are you familiar with the term Laches?

“Doctrine of laches,” is based upon maxim that equity aids the vigilant and not those who slumber on their rights.

“neglect or omission to do what one should do as warrants presumption that one has abandoned right or claim”, Eldridge v. Idaho State Penitentiary, 54 Idaho 213, 30 P.2d 781, 784.

“A failure to do something which should be done or to claim or enforce a right at a proper time”,
Hutchinson v. Kenney, C.C.A.N.C., 27 F.2d 254, 256.

IOW if you do not stand up for and defend your rights then you do not have them. The Constitution does not need to be reinstated it i still the supreme law of the land the people just need to know it and claim their rights. The reason they get away with trampling it is the majority of people do not know and understand it and thus stand up for and defend their right and that is the problem.

How many hours would you be willing to spend learning how to defend your rights? 2 4 8? well it takes less then 8. So if your willing here is how you do it.

http://privateaudio.homestead.com/CARLTEXT.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-zHrNPfkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q35DoJroTYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9fdSirNinQ

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Thanks for your feedback.

Thanks for your feedback. You may have missed my point. Sorry for the confusion.

I know how to defend myself. I know my rights. I'm also self-reliant. But I'm almost nothing of a voice, regarding the founding texts.

I want to propose some more work to Dr. Ron Paul by the end of the year.

If we do our homework correctly for the announced objective, I believe he'll be glad to help convey this message from us.

Please see my reply to ProudAmericanFirst below.

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I understood your point and I

I understood your point and I am saying the only way to reinstate the constitution is for people to use it to defend their rights. A declaration will not do a thing to persuade those who trample it to change and suddenly honor it when the majority of people have no clue what it means and how to use it. Only people learning it and applying it will restore its power otherwise it's enemies will continue to march all over it because they can.

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I would like us to at least try

I would like us to at least try in the timeline I gave.

AFAIC, I'll do my best to bring more content to this idea soon.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

We shouldn't have to do any of those things

The constitution is the law of the land. Not disagreeing, agreeing. But it shouldn't have to come to something like this.

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I know. I'm as sorry as anyone else here.

I know. I'm as sorry as anyone else here. Please read my reply to ProudAmericanFirst below.

We can spread and span our effort quietly, thoroughly, with also an intensely effective outcome eventually, if we get in numbers.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

My take:

Yes, it is the Law of the Land. It is NOT being followed. It is up to us to ENFORCE it!

If we get numbers behind this thing, it is MY voice that will be known!! Grrrr!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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WHO is willing to help?

WHO is willing to help?

Please specify where:

1. in the writing, or
2. Ron Paul's PR / organizing, or
3. the fundraising(*)?

(*) individual donators dropping a friendly heads up welcome

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I'm game.

2. and 3.

Let me know specifics of what to do. I am still new to this but willing to learn and will give it my best.

I wish I could help with 1, but I admit my deficiencies.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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Thank you

Time-wise, I'm thinking it'd be ideal to have it ready not later than a month BEFORE Thanksgiving, so that it's delivered by Dr. Ron Paul just before then.

The rationale is I have no doubts an even greater number of Americans are going to hurt (financially, in lost freedoms) by the end of the year - people will have some context to ponder about, with such a declaration.

Point #3:

I have no clear idea how much it will require Dr Ron Paul's team to have a great media coverage, but I know these things are expensive, so the more the better, as usual - say, if we can find 500,000 patriots willing to donate if only $20 by July 4th (months in advance), it's already $10 millions.

Point #2:

I know nobody from Ron Paul's regular PR folks (except Dr. Paul I met once only) so your help is much appreciated.

Point #1:

I'm waiting for more feedback in this thread - but no doubts the list of grievances could be GIGANTIC - and that's the saddest, most relevant part. I'm thinking of brainstorming it with a top down approach:

Bill of Rights' right infringed > by which branch > by which Bill > concrete case (with unintended consequences, etc)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius