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Lost interest in dailypaul more and more since the Elections. Too extreme. Anyone agree ?

Since the elections it seems the topics are all so focused on things like the Newton shootings being a gov operation extreme ideas .. Maybe it is because there is no more focus on Ron Paul so the topics have drifted..

Anyone else like me and not extreme and would rather concentrate common sense libertarian ideas? The Alex Jones stuff is fun and I agree with some things he says but its not what I want to be associated with..

I liek Rand Paul some but he has to appease the right wing people to the point where theres not that much to get excited about with him.. well.. atleast he is not as exicted to goto war as the others.. thats better than most..

I listen to the Joe Rogan podcast and Adam Carola podcast and they seem to talk aobut alot of common sense things that I agree with and wish there was someone like them I could get behind and vote for..

Im not religious.. I just want people to be responsible for themselves and gov to leave me alone and leave other countries alone ... if you must spend more money for tanks.. id rather it spent towards helping our own people ..

anyone with me? Tired of the extreme stuff and just want someone to talk common sense?? or just go ahead and rage on me now if you like..



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Someone said below

that the site seems less "extreme" now. I sorta feel like it's just all over the place. To me, it feels like people are trying to find their way. I see threads/posts that are extreme in one direction, then others that are extreme in the opposite direction, with just about everything in between.

But ya know what? That's okay.

I do think some people need to think things through a little more thoroughly regarding who they support (and what policies that person supports), however. I supported Dr. Paul because, once the scales fell from my eyes, I refused to compromise. And I still do. Feels like others around here are more than willing to compromise these days, so, in that regard, I guess it does feel LESS "extreme" to me. As many others have pointed out, compromising principles is what got us into this mess.

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what I left out was .. its like that scene in Lincoln with Lincoln getting the abolitionist to compromise for the good of the movement.. In the end everyone hear wants Ron Paul or some one similar.. I just don't want to get caught up in the side shows and being looked at as a joke.... When Ron Paul was running it was exciting to see him talk and get excitement.. and what I see now is a void.. I read the main page and nothing strikes me as interesting.. good example.. gun control.. here is my take:

Every law abiding citizen should be able to own a gun. But Im fine with compromise and limiting the rounds etc.... As long as it still serves to point of being able to defend/hunt.. Most people here are like NO!! ITS OUR WAY OR NOTHING!!

And I guess that is what Rand is doing.. But me being an agnostic.. I really can't stand organized religions and listening to politicians etc.. But Ok.. some people are into that... so the 2016 Election seems to me

Democrat: The next in line (Hilary)
Republican: Rand Paul (attempt to unite libertarians with republicans)
Libertarian: ???

For me, Id prefer a clean break from the 2 party system .. anyways I need to make a margarita.

I guess what Im saying is we are all on the same side.. so for the sake of us all I hope 2016 is the year the libertarians can become mains stream.. its silly to get angry and do the name calling... why can't we just respectfully disagree without the cyber HMMPH!!

Too Extreme? Everyone to his own taste!

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice"
"Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

Karl Hess-leading Speechwriter to 1964 GOP candidate Barry Goldwater.

I hope that those words from the late libertarian Karl Hess clarify any confusion and relieve any ill feelings you have toward DP for being "too extreme".

If, on the other hand, you are comfortable with a more mainstream view of politics and eocnomics, go in peace, and enjoy those books, websites, and media with whom you feel at ease.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

Just let this

thread die already. I hate seeing it on the front page.

The Daily Paul is here to stay: with or without "conspiracy nuts."

I just wish we were all tired of typing. I wish we'd organize and move.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I think its Time for you to Read a Book or Two and

Report back here about what you've learned.

So, what do you want to read?

Hey, I know, why don't you read some Common Sense

books...like....like...like.... (you fill in the blank)

and then get back here to tell us all about it.

Then I am sure someone here will

let you know how extreme it is.

Treg

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well, the fact is that . . .

if libertarian ideas can be applied (principally at the local level)--

*we* need to know what is going on--

and if that includes local events that appear to be 'wacky'--such as sheriffs getting out of control, etc.--

then the information is needed.

Liberty cannot operate within a knowledge vacuum--

No, I don't think the DP is getting 'wackier', but then I might be considered one of the 'wack' jobs--!

I come on here for information; I like to know what is going on; I CARE that oathkeepers can't have a voice in Colorado. I care that the cadets are being told that 'patriots' are 'terrorists'--

I honestly don't feel comfortable with people who try to 'sweet these things under the rug'--

and, no, I didn't downvote you (I didn't upvote you either)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Nah. Wacky Weird time at the DP is over now, we're gettin better

Nah. Wacky Weird time at the DP is over now. There was a period of about six month between BISHOP WILLARD's being chosen to lose to Pharaoh Barack and, say, last month, where disillusionment and idle hands turned to abject weirdness and sloppy crassness.

We're gettin' better, though. I reckon we'll be a strong and fit community as spring draws on and we can identify decent personnel to organize and lead the liberty movement in a positive way.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Puzzling comment.

The site seems less "extreme" (if by that you mean topics far from the MSM crowd) than ever. Hard to understand why you would feel this way now.

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Barry Goldwater said

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

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Common sense is in extremely short supply these days.

The people who have common sense are called terrible names and are mocked.

Those that buy food ahead are called doomsday preppers.
Those that own guns are called terrorists.
Christians are called radicals.
Ron Paul supporters are called deranged maniacs.

"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice."

You just want to be left alone, but the government is not going to leave you alone until you draw your line in the sand and start pushing back.

The amount of tyranny that people are willing to accept is the amount of tyranny that they will receive.

It sounds like you want everything to be neutral and calm.

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in the face of adversity remain neutral." - Dante Alighieri

No...

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Seems there is some similar

Seems there is some similar complaint on DP every other week since I started here. Usually it is some version of "hmpfff, I am annoyed by DP for this or that reason and so I'm leaving and never coming back!" And then they come back a few months later. I don't get it. If people don't like what it is or what it has become then why don't they just stop coming to DP and/or start their own website more in line with their vision? DP can't be all things to all people. It obviously channels the interests of its participants...so what is the big deal? It seems that a lot of the complainers lean toward controlling the content. I like DP due to the unfettered nature of the posts. There are some topics that I don't click on because they aren't of interest to me. I highly suggest that if certain topics don't interest you, don't click or comment on them.

I tried an experiment here

a few months back. After watching post I placed that were, at least to me, extremely relevant to the liberty cause, silently and quickly disappear amidst the various fluff pieces that proliferate and multiply so successfully here I decided to place a post with a Subject line that was entirely negative asking if I should leave. It went out of the park and by that I mean it was widely viewed and commented upon. I've been a member of this site for over 5 years and noticed a few months before the last election an influx of self appointed guardians suffering from delusions of grandeur who contribute nothing to the cause but to attempt to create dissension by utilizing insulting language and the all powerful downvoting by block. I personally enjoy the repartee with these feeble minded poseurs and encourage them whole heartedly to continue on with their meaningless diatribes. I forget where I first heard the line but it pertains here,"Humans are such easy prey", at least the vain ones are. OK guys have at it and let the down voting begin.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Heard that.

I posted a "negative" headlined post a short while ago too. Even though I made the case in a positive (and it was pretty long), people downvoted it into oblivion. The few the actually read it liked what it had to say but what I find curious is that it's the only post of mine that has received a significant amount of attention. Some of my other thoughts are way better and easier to effect change with.

I love the extreme

I can get all the msm stuff everywhere else. But where else today could I find the incredible post about Sonny Bono, that set me off on a two hour personal investigation of Bono? That's the stuff I look for...
More extreme, less shit I already read in yahoo, facebook, etc.

I'd like more prepper info, more precious metals info, more about expatriating, more truth that I have missed having read somewhere else.

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

After the election -- well,

After the election -- well, actually after we failed to get any Paul delegates to the Rep. National Convention from my state -- I was very depressed. I spent much of the summer in my backyard, staring off into space and feeling like a failure and like I'd wasted so much of my family's time and resources.

I rarely came to the DP. It seemed like when I did folks were pointing fingers anywhere but at themselves. I knew my finger was aimed at my own forehead.

By the end of summer, I decided that, although I'd proven to be a terrible political organizer and dreadful with trying to work with groups, I could start where I was. I started thinking about what I could do for the cause of liberty with just my family. I started a blog, which I've never publicized, to explore how I could pursue a liberty agenda on my own little plot of land and in my own little sphere. I started with my money because it was Paul's views on economics that first captured my interest.

It's taken several months, but my husband and I just signed the refinance docs that take our home loan out of a big bank that was embroiled in the mortgage scandals and received government bailout loans. As of last week, our home loan is now with a local credit union, which never sells its loans and has never been bailed out by taxpayer dollars.

Next, we intend to remove ourselves from the bank that holds our credit card debt -- another bailout bank with scores of allegations of fraud.

I also got myself a logic textbook, which I'm slogging through so that I can debate more effectively next time I find myself in a position of influence. I've joined Toastmasters to learn to speak more effectively. I've been voted onto the board of a nonprofit, which I believe in and takes no government money.

These are things I want to do to prepare myself for whatever role I may be able to play to promote liberty in the future.

I failed in my efforts during the election. I point the finger at myself. I find the posts here about some evil "other" -- whether aliens or Bilderbergs or whoever -- fun, titillating, distracting, and counter-productive by turns. I follow the threads and links for some of them, both for entertainment and to double check that I'm not closing my eyes too quickly. But frankly, I think a lot more can be done by pointing the finger toward home.

Working towards things we can control.

We can get our investments and loans out of the big bad banks.
We can work on our weaknesses so that we're more able to participate in the messy process of self-governance.
We can become more involved where we're at.

My blog attempts are fledgling. I switched just today from wordpress to blogspot and haven't transferred content well yet. I haven't written regularly -- nor updated our latest payoff. But I'm very much interested in knowing more about what DPers are doing in their own spheres to contribute to the cause of liberty and feeding off their ideas.

In short, I'd say that I have maligned the conspiracy and alien and vortex math stuff here, although I've been interested and followed it some. I have not participated in posting my own thoughts about what I'm doing to further the cause and what I'd like to see others doing -- the kind of stuff I'd like to see more of here.

I'll try.

Here's the link to the just-switched, unorganized, almost unedited blog I started last fall after my summer of sitting in a puddle of failure in my backyard.
http://backyardmatters.blogspot.com/

the world is an extreme place

grow up or go watch some glenn,
"i dont want to be associated with that alex jones stuff"
haha

listen every site and every media person has agenda and talking points they are given.

you just have to sift through the BS and it can be a daunting task.

people i like to follow:

judge nap
ron paul - dailypaul
rand paul
alex jones - infowars
pete schiff
gerald celente - sometimes
kevin barrett /duff - veterans today
drudgereport
christopher greene - greenwave
michael rivero - what really happened - he has been super annoying lately
luke - we are change
rt.com
presstv.ir
cspan

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

These are Extreme Times

If it's too much for you, then go back to sleep.

You think you feel bad.......

Try looking at any post that contains the words, "Catholic", "Mexican" or "Smoker" if you want to see the OPPOSITE of "Peace" and "Love".

I still peek in each day.... but the tone of the website is not hopeful lately. It seems that FREEDOM is fine .... unless someone is "different". After 5 years here, it has been most discouraging of late...... especially for a Catholic Mexican Smoker such as I!

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Catholic Mexican smoker.

Well, I guess we could become judgmental, and see you in a bad way. I was raised Catholic, but found it boring. We stopped going after I fainted in church, one Sunday. As a young adult, I became a born again, charismatic Christian. Funny thing is, they have the same base values of the Catholic church. I discovered there is a group of Catholics that actually "speak in tongues"!

My, identical, twin brother, and I, are non-smokers. But, my parents, my younger sister and both of our wives, smoke! As a person who has seen the damage of smoking, up close, I worry about them, every day. But, I cannot live their lives. I cannot nag at them, either. That is not very loving (Christian). I did not nag at my patients, who smoked, either!

Now, about the Mexican part.....

I was privileged to have one grandmother that was active and vibrant in her old age. She was divorced from my grandpa. She was a devout Catholic and would not remarry. When my grandpa had a fall, he was hospitalized with an intra-cerebral hemorrhage. This is common among alcoholics. He ended up dying in the hospital. Maybe he was allowed to go into alcohol withdrawal and delirium tremens (DTs), which is deadly, to begin with. Added to his injury, it could have easily caused his death at 65 years of age. He had very little gray hair, considering how he had tortured his body.

Grandma, at 82 years of age, remarried. His name was grandpa Chavez! He spoke English and Spanish, fluently. Everyone that knew him loved him, and said he was a gentle man! Grandma had the happiest days of her life, after that marriage, according to her! Too bad, a year after they were married, she was found to have a stomach tumor. She told everyone that God had blessed her with the most wonderful man, she ever knew, before she left this earth!

Being a Christian, I became very interested in Biblical things. I read the Bible through, once. And, I studied it, as well. I found that the teachings of the trinity was to follow Jesus' commandments. Which, in the end, made one follow all ten of those given to us by Moses. "Love your God above all, then love your neighbor as yourself". I guess that means not to be judgmental (judge not!) I never would hurt myself, intentionally. So, I guess that is something I cannot do to others!(Golden rule?) So, there is at least one person, here, that won't judge you because you are as "Catholic Mexican Smoker"! I would have to be insane, not to follow God's rules.

May your days be full of joy!

Everyone smokes

Everyone smokes

Now hold on...

I do not see people bashing "Mexicans" without getting put in their place. People bash "illegal immigrants" but that is different.
I smoke, too. I don't feel "bashed" for it. I also know that it is a choice I make and people do not have to respect my choices.
The Catholic Church is guilty of heinous crimes. If you do not know that, you need to do more research into a religion you claim as your own. If you do know that, then you should want the crimes exposed and your Church restored to faithful service to Jesus Christ. If you take complaints against the Church as personal insults, you are just being hypersensitive.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I still find the DP more

I still find the DP more interesting than some of the other bs out there.

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Idiots!

This is when it gets interesting.

This site (as long as we fund it) will be a front page for me for some time to come.

Leave at your will, but, caution, TSHTF is coming soon.

That's great...

I'm among the most extreme here. Speaking for myself, I would be very pleased if you would "talk common sense," and I'll try to "talk common sense" back. What have you got to say my friend?

I'm getting frustrated as well and I'm about ready to leave

When I first came here (lurked for months before joining over 5 years ago), the motive was about action. People were doing money bombs to put some new type of campaign to get people aware of Ron Paul. We used to see ideas all over the place, followed by motivation for the group to make it happen.

I see exactly zero of that now. To date, I've posted more than half a dozen very good ideas the group could easily do if motivated. Many of them get no votes and no comments. Others get a couple critiques and then nothing. Either way, the actual ideas really don't get the debate that they used to.

Go ahead and vote this down but I find it cowardly to do so without a comment. I just have to ask if the members are becoming a lesser form of sheeple that they rail about - all gossip and no action.

I agree and completely understand where you are coming from.

I have been a member here since 2007. I very rarely post anything unless I believe it is important and can benefit the Liberty movement and/or something that my fellow Dr. Paul supporters would appreciate. Today I made my first post in months. It was to inform the DP community of a tribute being put together in honor of Dr. Paul. A gentleman sculpted a beautiful bust of him and wants to have it cast in bronze and presented to Dr. Paul and his family. He also wants to have copies of this placed in buildings to help encourage future generations to research Dr. Paul's ideals. I think the man did a beautiful job and that it is a lovely sentiment. I will be honored to participate personally. My response on DP? Two people voted the story down. No comments. I guess if my story has nothing to do with Government conspiracy or bashing some news story then the new DP community can't be bothered with it. Sorry to see the Liberty movement falling apart before my own eyes. We did amazing things once.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know." -John Heywood 1546
Dr. Ron Paul is my HERO!

Sooo...

How much to get one of those pieces made?

Eric Hoffer

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

People just can't seem to be bothered to actually do anything anymore. If it requires even a little effort or a response that encompasses any hard thinking it is easily passed over for more fluff, entertainment stuff.

See the other reply where now it's my fault that I don't contribute enough. If she had done some checking first, she might have seen that the average of my original content took around 3 hours each to put together all the piece of those posts and cover all the 'what ifs'.

BTW: Sorry I missed your bust post earlier. I think it's a great idea and bumped it +1.