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Lost interest in dailypaul more and more since the Elections. Too extreme. Anyone agree ?

Since the elections it seems the topics are all so focused on things like the Newton shootings being a gov operation extreme ideas .. Maybe it is because there is no more focus on Ron Paul so the topics have drifted..

Anyone else like me and not extreme and would rather concentrate common sense libertarian ideas? The Alex Jones stuff is fun and I agree with some things he says but its not what I want to be associated with..

I liek Rand Paul some but he has to appease the right wing people to the point where theres not that much to get excited about with him.. well.. atleast he is not as exicted to goto war as the others.. thats better than most..

I listen to the Joe Rogan podcast and Adam Carola podcast and they seem to talk aobut alot of common sense things that I agree with and wish there was someone like them I could get behind and vote for..

Im not religious.. I just want people to be responsible for themselves and gov to leave me alone and leave other countries alone ... if you must spend more money for tanks.. id rather it spent towards helping our own people ..

anyone with me? Tired of the extreme stuff and just want someone to talk common sense?? or just go ahead and rage on me now if you like..




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Garan's picture

It's the Emotional tone that is a problem.

Recently, I noticed that I was starting to feel kind of sick from consuming too much Daily Paul.

Then I came across Bill Frezza and menckenism.com (through the DailyPaul), and realized that it is not the news or extremism that is the problem, it's the delivery.

For instance, there is a big difference between celebrating the inevitable end to the Federal Reserve, verse speaking of more doomsday Federal Reserve actions. One may puts you above the issue and may uplift, while the other puts you below the issue and may make you nauseous.

We need to be more emotionally responsible and start to realize when we are dragging each other down with how we share information.

If you look closely

how other central banks handled hyper-inflation, you will see that central banks are not effected. As long as the government protects monopoly on money, the government will direct central bank to issue new money and replace the old ones only to a certain limit, thus, nationalizing big business. US dollar can drag for several decades, nobody knows.

Cyril's picture

Fair statements.

Fair statements.

My only remark is regarding the very end:

"US dollar can drag for several decades, nobody knows"

That's for sure, nobody knows (and I, for one, would hate to see this infamy - boiling frog with fake money - last for decades, or just one more).

But let's not forget it is also contingent on... the other guys' (countries') central banks (or not) accepting the fiat dollar.

It's a day-before-yesterday-secret that everybody but the Fed is hoarding gold by now...

Btw, it's a good idea, IMO, to keep an eye on what's going on in that thread, once in a while - things seems moving even in silver, lately:

http://www.dailypaul.com/144648/saudi-markets-fall-over-6-go...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Unfortunately

we have to focus a lot on the extreme stuff because those are just...pure and simple... current events. And who else with talk about this stuff? I do not agree with going Alex Jones extreme though... he is just over the top-talk about scare tactics. I do agree with you though that the things you mentioned need to be talked about more also.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

After speaking to a religious person today...

I would like to share the public perception of Rand. Most conservatives love the fact he comes from Ron Paul. Rand is more diplomatic and understands what it takes to win elections. Rand is not nearly as polarizing as Ron to the average voting Conservative.

That being said.. Rand Paul better, sure as fuck... hire him a Lee Atwater. We are up against the most powerful forces in politics. There is a reason why the average voter does not know the party bosses.

History is complete when the victors dirty laundry is out to dry on public opinion. Ron Paul announced on Stossel that he won the Iowa primary and it was ignored. It was a 'dream'.

To believe that Ron and Rand do not strategize is complete fallacy. Ron understands how to be honest and Rand understands how he wants to win.

This may come back to haunt me... My personal belief is that Rand is doing what it takes to WIN. Look in the mirror while you ask yourself... What can you do to win?

I like Rand. He is as tenacious as his father on the Morton Downey Jr. Show. Just had a lifetime of going through it. Imagine believing in your dad's message and witnessing this shit.

I am personally proud of Rand. I understand that slave owners and Abolitionists formed a Union. Did their best to craft a document that could solve most of societies problems and still protect everyone.

The religious sect of the GOP likes Rand and so do I. We have better chances with Rand than Ron. Rand is not playing the game like his dad and I commend him for it.

A real leader steps up to the plate, looks to the best, brightest and talented.. and forms his own plan. Rand has been doing this since before he got elected. We did not elect Rand Paul. The state of Kentucky did.. with McConnell fighting him until he won the primary.

Now.. McConnell is for the legalization of hemp.

I would dare to say that our message is winning. As long as we are the most vocal and motivated we will continue to win.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Controversial?

I'm a recent disaffected "Republican"... lesser of 2 evils yadda, yadda. No longer voting party, will vote the person.
To this day (and forgive me if this is blasphemy) but couldn't vote for Ron Paul based on the foreign policy position, but ALWAYS admired his pluck with calling out the GOP for being Demokrat light.
I think Rand, as noted above, is someone who can get that second look from neocons... I find it easier to make the case using his foreign policy speech at Heritage with conservatives who want to dismiss him because he is Ron Paul's son....
I don't know... at this point, if Rand Paul decides to run for 2016, he is the only politician with an "R" after his name I would vote for.
Frankly, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out as Rubio is the new golden boy... I know some conservatives are completely against his immigration plan because they see it as pure amnesty...

[Sidebar - it's time to start identifying Demokrat 2016 candidates and politically destroying them...]

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If you want to see how Rudio works out...

See McCain and Romney.. and why Rove is targeting the 'tea party' now.

I admire your honesty. I have been down with Ron Paul since the moment he stole my vote for Rudy by telling the truth on national TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8

This is the moment that changed my life.. and I saw it live. Rudy had my vote because of his show of leadership during 9/11. Since that time, I have spent thousands in dollars and labor.

The truth can motivate change...

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Cyril's picture

Great comment you made.

Great comment you made. Very fair and accurate, IMO. Makes a lot of sense.

And that's coming from someone who chose to stand the Ron Paul's way. Not Rand's. For I'm neither interested or competent in politics.

I'm pushing people to work on the ideas. Not on the political strategies or tactics, although I reckon both are certainly necessary.

And I sure hope for Rand knowing what he is doing in the politics games. Sometimes you can lose tracks of your own once ideals.

You need water and coffee beans to make your coffee.

My .02

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

coffee_sponge's picture

I'd rather contend with "extreme" posts

than contend with any censorship of ideas.

Sometimes the best ideas seem extreme when they first are articulated.

One of the best aspects of the Daily Paul is the respect shown for ideas some of us may consider zany.

Assuming

that every thought, opinion and idea should be allocated equal time and space is to deny reason and truth. Private owner should set the rules. Individual liberty only works via private property.

I think there are several factors

But I will mention only one.

Ron Paul's weakness is that he didn't study Ayn Rand more closely. Therefore, he ended up with a) "natuaral individual rights come from god or nature;" b) "do what you want to do." Should RP studied Any Rand in depth, he would preached that individual liberty comes from REASON and "do what you want to do" would not suffice - half reason and half unreason (feelings, blind belief, parroting) is evil. If RP took such a rational moral stance, no populists would had joined the movement.

Point a) ...

... sounds like our Founders in the Declaration. Our rights of Life and Liberty are transcendent and fundamental, not dependent on a government or an individual to acknowledge them.

You see,

knowledge is not a static thingy. A real progress in Austrain economics thought was done in 1930-40's by von Mises and F. Hayek. Modern Libertarian thought was created in 1940-50's by Ayn Rand.

Ron's stance on personal liberty

comes from his belief and faith in God and Jesus. Anyone who studies Ayn Rand knows that is a different perspective entirely. The thing Ron Paul gets, that I think you are missing, is God is Reason.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

I disagree

Ron Paul's position echos Rothbardian one - natural individual liberty is an axiom (given by god or nature.) Herman Hoppe proved later that Ayn Rand was correct. Rothbard agreed with Hopper, but both of them never mentioned Ayn Rand and the fact she was correct.

The hate of Ayn Rand comes from plotical religious "right" and progressive left alike, because Ayn Rand was the first to show that religious and socialists share the same morality of sacrificing an individal man to an abstract entity (universal neighbor or society.) Since an abstract entity cannot collect sacrifices, wise central planners and special interest groups step in to collect instead.

I concur.

A lot less aliens and a lot more "you know what to do" posts feels a lot more productive to me. Can we just concentrate on changing policy and try to leave out the emotions for a while again?

I Disagree

during the elections it was terrible here, all you talked about were the elections. The elections were irrelevant in my mind.
Now we get real news real time.
Much BETTER as of late

bigmikedude's picture

Unfortunately

there's just not much "you know what to do's" for people to post about in between elections. This is what we call a lull, a rut. There's just not much going on in the geo-political arena right now. It isn't like people can just make stuff up.

Enjoy the sights. Lol

Needs more

radicalism. Now go home and take a bath.

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If you have twitter follow, and ill follow back, deathsquad for life bro. @gracefulbiscut

just because the GOP that wants nothing to do with us...

...and they label us as "extreme", does not diminish the onus of what we are doing...which was what our founders decided to do when the petitions fell on deaf ears for the LAST time...

 But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. 

Hey....you may not like my personal "religious" leanings, but, they're not extreme in the light of what our founders HAD TO do in order to secure their God-given rights back from a false church that was married to the State out of necessity, or else face death by irrelevance because their credibility lacked the moral fortitude to stand up for the individual, his creativity, his ingenuity, his propensity and potential to work, produce, gain, and then give back liberally in gratitude for being afforded an opportunity to flourish in a free society that valued Liberty the way it was meant to be protected and promoted by the God-ordained institution of government!

We're only an extreme bunch in light of the past generation or so being dumbed-down and conditioned that EVERYTHING flows from the State...

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We are the remnants.

We are the remnants.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Yeah, I agree.

I have been coming here since 2010 or 2011, and it used to be a several-times-per-day thing, but now I come here maybe every two to three weeks, get frustrated, and click out before even reading everything.

If this is the best the movement can do, I think we're screwed.

I read the information here and decide for myself.

Anyone can publish things on this website.

more interested actually, but

like it less and less, for non-stories like ron paul domain issue and helping to fame defamers, even if the little people here are wrong, they just trample their dead credibility carcasses and onto the next gossip

Common Sense and Simple Cognitive Reasoning...

...indicate that you had better get prepared to hike-up your skirt and get 'extreme' at some point, or you'll likely end up in the bottom of a slit-trench with a strategically placed govt-applied slug in the back of your head, in the not so distant future.

How is that for 'extreme'?

Crazy huh?

Joe Rogan's podcast is awesome

and the daily paul has been a train wreck since the election.

Your thread is what I have been wanting to write.

I feel pretty much the same way. But I don't believe that it is too extreme or otherwise. It is what it is, and that comes with personal Liberty. My objectives are not inline with many here as of late. My goal, even prior to the election, was to find a Liberty candidate amongst ourselves and prop the hell out of him/her. The establishment are extremely well organized and fully funded. But they do not have the power of the r3VOLution/grassroots. In my heart I felt that with our momentum, we could have continued to grow well into 2016 and have a pretty decent shot. Even if we did not win, we would have reached thousands, millions more, which could have tremendously helped the young generation wrap this up by 2020.

I think about bailing out of this site everyday. I don't know, maybe I'm hooked. Maybe I still feel the passion of Ron Paul and the message. Maybe deeper down I have faith that people will eventually undertstand true Liberty, and what it takes to take our Republic back. Who knows what I feel. Tired, mostly.

While there are awesome threads here and I enjoy reading and learning from them, the place has also become riddled with crap. To each his own, I guess.

I am working hard in my state and the one next door. My state is useless, as democrats dominate every facet of life and I am pretty much an outcast, even among the very [left-wing] republicans. So I concentrate on the state next door which is yielding extremely positive results :-)

I am pretty much done with presidential. I know how it will turn out. But if by some freak accident you and others can come up with a Liberty person that is serious about running, drop me a PM, I will do everything in my power to help out.

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

sflowers17's picture

hooked

yep you're definitely hooked :) guess that makes two of us.

extreme stuff /common sense

They're not always mutually exclusive. I think there's a pretty good assortment of both on the DP and still find it to be the most interesting interactive website out there. Sorry to hear you're losing interest...you can always pick and choose which posts to read. :-)