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Did Ron Paul Just Destroy His Own Legacy and Legitimacy?

One giant slip for mankind...

Ron Paul Files International Copyright Complaint Against His Own Fans

(This isn't going over very well all over the political map...)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/ron-paul-files-internation...

"Ron Paul has filed a complaint with the World Intellectual Property Organization against the proprietors of RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org, according to a blog post on their site on Friday."

snip...

"Even more shocking to the proprietors is that Paul's complaint was lodged with a U.N. agency, an organization that garners mistrust among libertarians...."

---------full article linked above.

Mistrust is not the word! True conservatives find the UN to be reprehensible. Hardcore republicans HATE the United Nations...strong word, but true...and justified.

Good Lord, why did you do that Ron!!! You're a doctor and a politician, so why on earth would you treat a small headache with LSD?

This goes against over 40 years of Ron Paul's grain.

He admitted it was a mistake not to own the site in the first place. The free market demands a fair price, but Ron Paul does not want to pay it even though he is wealthy beyond most of us here put together. He'd rather seek a solution to a relatively small personal problem from an agency of the United Nations of all things?

For real? As if his houses aren't already paid for. Give me a break, Ron Paul. (Never thought I'd say that!)

Did Ron Paul do this because no court or lawyer in the United States would hear or take his case?

Did Ron Paul exhaust ALL American judicial avenues first, before seeking a UN fix to his own personal issues?

I'm totally lost in Ron Paul's, "World Intellectual Property Organization," political sauce.

I feel like a young, rational man who has just been told that Santa's UN Clause is real.

Ron Paul's actions pertaining to the issue of his own domain website seems super hypocritical, and contradicting at best.

The, "free market," solution to the good Doctor's problem would be to make his own website....www.ronepaul.com

Simple solution Ron, with no UN strings attached.



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Has Ron Paul actually

Has Ron Paul actually trademarked his name and likeness?

People can't sell Elvis stuff because the Elvis estate has a trademark on Elvis's likeness, but of course Elvis impersonators in various other formats are legal and permissible.

Or, if Ron Paul is suing on the basis of Publicity Rights, then aren't the DailyPaul, RonPaulForums, RonPaulFlix, etc. also all diluting and violating Ron Paul's publicity rights? It seems to me Ron abandoned his publicity rights long ago when he permitted and even encouraged his supporters to disseminate his name and likeness in endless manners of their own choosings. Once abandoned, publicity rights cannot be reclaimed simply because an enterprising party creates something of value from the abandoned property.

For example, if Ron Paul wanted to create his own discussion board where he might also sell web advertisements such as those on the DailyPaul, he can't simply force DailyPaul to shut down because DailyPaul attracts users using Ron Paul's name.

He just wants the domain name

As someone else explained, due to Google algorithm, RonPaul.com is the first link that comes up on a search for Ron Paul. Because the domain is Ron Paul's actual name and it's the first link that comes up, people mistake it for his official website. IOW, people searching for Ron Paul's official website get misdirected to someone else's website and most of them don't know it (even with the little "fan site" disclaimer) because his name and image are all over it.

RonPaulForums.com and DailyPaul.com aren't Ron Paul's name and are not trademarked (unless MN trademarked DailyPaul and I don't know about it). RonPaul.com is RP's name and apparently his name is trademarked. Anyone can use Ron Paul's name to attract web traffic, the MSM does it all the time. Can they use his name as an actual domain, make their website all about him, sell stuff with his name & image on the site and try to sell the site to him for hunreds of thousands of dollars? I don't know, that will be settled in the contractual domain dispute arbitration.

How Google operates their

How Google operates their algorithm is irrelevant. If Ron is upset about Google's algorithm wrongfully directing traffic to RonPaul.com instead of Ron's own personal website, then he should be suing Google. It's not the obligation of the law, ICANN, or domain name holders to adjust ownership privileges based on the ever-changing algorithms of thousands of search engines (Google included) that move up and down in popularity and influence every second.

A fan site by definition is about the fans and their mutual interest in a certain topic/person/etc. There is no law prohibiting fan sites from being the name of the shared interest. RonPaul.com has lots of fan-created material about Ron and the r3volution paired with articles of interest to Ron Paul fans, just like any other Ron Paul fan site.

Is the logo for RonPaulForums the image of Ron Paul? Is the logo for DailyPaul the image of Ron Paul's surname? Are these websites all about Ron Paul and the Ron Paul movement? Aren't these logos advertising these websites through the use of Ron's name and image? Aren't they selling themselves to their advertisers based on their traffic and isn't that traffic generated by the use of Ron's name and image? Should the owners of DailyPaul and RonPaulFourms be prohibited from selling their sites to Dr. Paul?

I really appreciate you

I really appreciate you considering all my points and responding to them so intelligently. It means a lot, truly.

If the site is violating RonPaul's trademark, then I'm all for Ron suing to prevent the domain holder from infringing on that trademark. But I don't think that's what's happening in this particular instance.

The site very clearly publicizes in its banner and elsewhere that it's a "FAN SITE"; so there's no misrepresentation that the items are being sold by Ron Paul himself. And all the items for sale at RonPaul.com are also being sold on countless other websites (some Ron Paul related, some not). If Ron Paul isn't suing all those other websites for trademark infringment, then he's truly only singling this one site out in an effort to financially blackmail the owner into a sale that the owner would rather not make.

Troll alert

Yes, he just destroyed his legacy... 30 years in congress, consistent constitutional voting record.... filed a lawsuit against ronpaul.com, who leech on his name, selling stuff with his name on it BUT not make money ofcourse... everything destroyed. It's sad.

Just give the domain up! You made enough money with his name.

End ALL central banks, end the Euro and the European Union

The best thing you can do if

The best thing you can do if you hate a post is to ignore it.

Comments BUMP the post up.

Thank you.

(I Know, I bumped it but it was already high)

GODAM RACIST FACIST WHITE

GODAM RACIST FACIST WHITE REPUBLICAN TEXAN PEICE OF TRASH!!!

Why do you stupid people like Ronald I'm a bozo gold nut Paul. He's not even a libertarian, he's really a fascist communist because he got a donation from this one guy I know who worked for an oil company.

He is so bad. Republicans are bad. Boo republicans. I hate tea baggers.

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Do people really have nothing better to do than make lame attacks at Ron Paul and Rand Paul all day?

Rand Paul 2106

-6 votes.... haha those

-6 votes.... haha those people must not have read my whole post

I think it was the

"Rand Paul 2016" (or 2106...) that got you minuses ;) lol

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

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Rand Paul 2106 ???

Rand Paul 2106 ???

I know Rand is "young" ... kinda... but, still, gonna be a long shot, no?

;)

P.S.
otherwise... fun comment. "Just chillax", DP people love arguing ;)

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LOL !

Fans! Bleeding fans for the cause!

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funny stuff.

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Ok iv never used the word TROLL

But i think this is the most accurate time to use it. Zooamerica you are a troll.

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completely agree

and love the verse in your tagline (sry off topic). that is what we need!

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

When push comes to shove,

When push comes to shove, people act in their best interests. That should be the market.

Is there something wrong with using something in a system while fighting to bring it down? After all, Ron Paul takes social security; I don't blame him for that.

Ron Paul took a lot of money from Congress (for his district). He also strongly pushes for gold and silver while owning a lot of investments in those industries...

What I am saying is that other people have done far worse.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

So it's like Jefferson and

So it's like Jefferson and Madison owning slaves? They get a pass because they've done a lot good for freedom in other places?

Look, nobody is perfect. I think the problem is many of us pretend Ron Paul is the standard-bearer for all things libertarian. It's not true. Every man has his shortcomings; it's just regrettable when those shortcomings fly in the face of that man's life philosophy.

I will always admire and strive to be like Ron Paul, but I agree with those who rightfully are revealing his hypocrisy on this particular issue. Their efforts to chastise and expose Ron Paul are not because they are trolls or unbelievers in our cause; but because they are the TRUE believers, they believe that we should all strive to be our best selves and called out on it when we aren't--even Ron Paul.

Bravo to the brave believers courageous enough to face the ire of the faithful. Though we'll attack you for it, you are the lights and guides we most need. Shine on!

I give Jefferson and Madison

I give Jefferson and Madison a pass for owning slaves, because they didn't know any better. They were a product of their time. Jefferson especially; I'd like to think that if he hadn't been a Virginia aristocrat facing the political pressures of that slave culture, he wouldn't have owned slaves.

In some ways, I do agree with you. Ron Paul has been very hypocritical on certain things. Ironically enough, he does the very thing he criticizes others for doing; liking big government when it is good for them.

But to err is human, and Ron Paul really is the best option out there, so I think you can't harp on him too much for this.

Perhaps I am thinking of it in a more political way than a completely moral way.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

I agree with you. We can

I agree with you. We can revere the man in his totality while condemning hypocrisy when it arises. I believe Christians call this practice: "Hate the sin, love the sinner." Everyone is human and should be seen for that humanity with all its flaws; in fact, the flaws are what make the rest of the man so inspirational because it shows humanity rather than omnipotence.

To answer the question in the

To answer the question in the title. No.

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
-Sam Adams

Leave Ron Paul Alone...Stop With The Anti Ron Paul Crap!!

Why don't you go out and trash Obama or Biden...Now That's Trash!

Ron Paul can do no wrong as far as i'm concerned..Damn his critics!!

No matter what you may think of Ron Paul, in my humble opinion, very few men or women in my lifetime has done more for humanity than 'The Honorable Ron Paul..He is a real Chritian and I don't know many like him..

A pox on all who attempt to tarnish the image of this great man...

The people that criticize him could never measure up to being the kind of man he is...

If I had my way, He would be proclaimed a freaking SAINT!

nuff said..

Ciao

Blindly following any leader inevitably drops you off a cliff.

So basically you're admitting that you'll never consider the merits of any argument that questions Ron Paul. Wow. The world is in real trouble when even libertarians stop participating in the free market of ideas.

There's nothing more patriotic than questioning the actions of one's government, and there's nothing more appropriate than questioning the actions of one's leaders. Ron Paul is our leader; if you aren't willing to consider the arguments of those who question him, then you're just as bad as the Obama-nuts on the other side. We're supposed to be better than the other side, not equally unthinking but in different colored hats.

STANDING OVATION

I stand with you

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I don't understand...

...why a Ron Paul supporter wouldn't just give the domain to him for free. Wouldn't it be enough of a reward to see it blossom for Liberty with his use of it? If Dr. Paul offered me money for it, I'd refuse and just give it to him. Sounds like greed possibly is a factor? Sure the owners have the liberty to demand payment; and I have the liberty to think that's just rotten.

I agree with this statement.

I agree with this statement. Like you, I'd likely give the domain to Ron for free too, or at the very least arrange for some sort of licensing agreement where Ron could in effect actively maintain the site in whatever manner he pleases.

But we don't own the site, and I can't condemn the owner for demanding what is clearly a very valuable piece of property to all of us.

Good post. Consider the

Good post.

Consider the downvotes an honor. They do it to everybody who sees the hypocrisy and treachery in Ron Paul using the UN to confiscate his supporters property.

treachery

lol. You want to charge me $800,000 for my own domain? And you're a supporter? It's my name! Your making hay off my name?

Its not his domain

There are thousands named Ron Paul, moreover, the person purchased it fairly and squarely. If Ron doesn't want to pay that price, find another fkn domain.

LOL

Out of these "thousands" of Ron Paul's, how many are the site owners using to popularize their site?

So an internet domain is rightful private property, but one's own face, persona, career, likeness, etc. is not?

Some of you folks are daft.

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Irrelevant.

Next thing you're going to be telling me is that he has rights to the daily paul or any other site that is using him to popularize their site.

NOPE he did not

NOPE he did not