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Liberty and the Unions

When asked why I don't work for the union, I simply state that I am philosophically opposed to unions.

I usually add that I am not anti-union, just anti government in bed with unions, the same way I am anti government in bed with business, etc.

To me, if employees can unionize without using government power to assist them, then power to 'em. It is the government involvement that I stand opposed to.

I have a friend who is leaning toward liberty ideas and currently wants to switch jobs from non-union to union. What input would the great minds of the DP have for a situation like this? My instinct is to advise him not to work for "the dark side", but he would get higher pay and benefits.

Also worth mentioning here, the one guy he talked to in this union company is a Ron Paul guy. What do you guys think?

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My opinion..

I believe that if 'individuals' agree to form a union, they have that right to do so. Just as a company has a decision making board, the workers should have a voice. Historically, unions have created/forced better/safer working environments, among many other things.

An individual starting a business should run the company as he/she sees fit. I whole-heartedly believe this. But historically, that often led to dangerous working conditions and death, sub-standard pay, etc. That could be overcome by free markets, where competition would invite better condition on its own. That would be preferrable if this nation did NOT rely on government, a government that actually promoted a true free market without corruption/payoffs.

I am opposed to unions having influence in politics, just as I am opposed to corporations having influence. I firmly believe 1 vote per person.. corporations and unions are NOT people.

There are many problems associated with my philosophy. Again, the owner should operate the company as he/she sees fit. If there is a union, and a new hire by choice does not want to belong to one, that employee would most likely yield the benefits of the union. If the worker has a different set of company guidelines, it may be disadvantageous for him/her not to join, again, creating another set of issues.

There are unintended consequences to everything. But as I consider myself liberty, I would have no right telling others that they may or may not choose to form/join a union.

This is one of the most difficult challenges that I have contemplated, due to this corrupt government meddling into the affairs of both companies and people. Fix the government and many problems will work themselves out.

Let the down votes commence. I would like perspectives if you do :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Getting from point A to point B

To claim that you are not working in a Union is not well supported with evidence unless you do not use Federal Reserve Notes.

If you use Federal Reserve Notes, then you are in the Union of Members who use Federal Reserve Notes, it is a tight Union, and the few Scabs who cross the picket line are typically dealt with in typical Union fashion.

If the work is better then the fact that another Union, added to the Money Monopoly Union (we all work for The FED/IRS/Troops), and the pay is higher, and that specific person isn't running the show (Union) then in what way is that person not earning an honest living?

Does that person choosing to work at a place that happens to be "Unionized" (Criminal, but Legal, Monopoly) willfully perpetrate the crimes of fraud, threats of violence, or violence upon innocent people, or lend moral or material support to the Union criminals (who are legal), or in fact is the actual arrangement more a case of the worker being as exploited as any other worker in principle, if not in actual pay rate?

Where does the Union worker, as a worker, actually step over the line of moral conduct?

If you find that point of stepping over, then compare that to lending moral and material support to the criminals running The FED/IRS/Military Industrial Complex Crime Ring Union as We The People continue to use those fraudulent products sold by The Central Bank Union of Money Launderers.

If the idea is to get from Point A (crime made legal or Unions) to Point B (liberty) then one Union is obviously more powerful than the others so who is pointing fingers at who, for being a Union Man?