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Anybody else proud of Rand?

I have watched a majority of the media Rand has been on in the past day. Huge kudos to Rand. His first national issue was whether the President has the power to kill Americans. His argument is something that is absolutely critical! I dont see Rove or Rubio stepping up to the plate on an issue like this.

Anyone else proud of Rand?

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Ron Paul seems to think Sanctions are an Act of War.

The slow killing of children, the elderly, through starvation and lack of medicine in Iraq is said to of caused over 500,000 deaths. Perhaps, the semantics of language are less important than the acuteness of mass death that is directly attributed to our foreign policy of coercion through sanctions.

You don't make friends with your enemies by blowing up or in this case starving their children.

I did say that it's an act of

I did say that it's an act of war. I don't think the point of it is to win friends either.

Part of what makes a

Part of what makes a politician effective is their vague stance on issues. Look at Obama. Democrats were sure he was anti-war before he was elected, were sure he'd slash military spending, were sure he was concerned about human rights. They were wrong about all those things and more.

ok

but. That relates to being proud of Rand how? He's not real vague about his stances. When he talks about this vote on Iranian sanctions, he is all for it. In fact uses as a talking point, to show that he is a team player it seems. We all know sanctions are an act of war. Being politically vague is closer to not expressing an opinion at all or providing very little details regarding that opinion. Obama was very expressive of his views....He just turned out to be a liar, not necessarily vague.

I'm not too dissatisfied with

I'm not too dissatisfied with his performance so far. He's already essentially confirmed he's running in 2016, so all efforts are focused on that goal.

http://www.policymic.com/arti

http://www.policymic.com/articles/6139/rand-paul-stops-war-w...

I guess that means Rand should recant his Amendment:

- In order to prevent World War III from breaking out, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) single-handedly blocked the Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Human Rights Act (S. 2101) from being passed by unanimous consent by demanding the inclusion of a one sentence amendment to the bill which reads, “…nothing in the Act shall be construed as a declaration of war or an authorization of the use of force against Iran or Syria.”

If you think the Amendment does jack sh*t then I guess you agree with Harry Reid:

-In response to Paul’s amendment, Reid said, “There is nothing in the resolution that talks about war, in fact it’s to the contrary. This is not a declaration of war or anything in the neighborhood of that.” -

Napz

Judge Napolitano for Dictator of the Supreme Court!

Rand is a trojan horse

Anyone who thinks they can trust him is a moron. He is disinformation, a mole, playing the good cop bad cop pretense, etc.

"Show me the government that does not infringe upon anyone's rights, and I will no longer call myself an anarchist." ~Jacob Halbrooks

How are we morons - because

How are we morons - because we aren't dogmatics? I still have yet to see a viable option for the next Senator of KY. Is this what you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Conway_(politician)

OMFG

Be a person who spends their life looking for proof, not the worst case in every situation.

Tu ne cede malis.

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Rand Paul

I've always liked Rand Paul even though I haven't liked some of his political moves. He's no Ron Paul, but I think he is true to the majority of his father's ideals.
Keep up this good work Rand, and folks will look past your mistakes.

Rand Paul POTUS 2016,

and Ron Paul appointed Treasury Secretary by Rand. Now thats a ticket everyone would love!

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

Take what you can get

Support only the issue, not the politician. Sit back and watch, if a poly-tician, over time, is 90% liberty minded, I'll support him, but if its only a few select times, I won't. Relax, he's right on this one.

An Analogy...

Having assessed the continual in-your-face Rand-worship, I see it as being directly akin to the phenomenon surrounding the NRA, a quisling organization.

The NRA has diligently and deliberately worked hand-in-hand with government, since the early 1900s, to morph Amendment II and its absolute prohibition on government from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms, into a government regulated, government controlled, firearms, people, place, and ammo restricted 'privilege'.

The NRA sycophants and slack-jawed adoring 'faithful' routinely ignore, rationalize, justify and ultimately actively support this traitorous organization, generally making claims, when confronted with information and fact that the NRA operates opposite to Amendment II, that although they 'do some things I don't like' they 'have to do so' to have influence. (relate to Rand only playing along with the GOP-establishment to gain power and influence, or Rand playing a three-dimensional chess-game to fool the GOP-establishment)

I hear ridiculous crap such as that we would 'have no gun-rights' if it were not for the NRA and that their 'compromises' and betrayals of fundamental liberty are 'necessary to keep legislation from being even worse'.

Steaming, stinking hog-schite.

The NRA has led a massive percentage of america's gun-owning lemmings into accepting and yes, even agreeing with increasing government infringement on a fundamental, constitutionally enumerated liberty, which is crystal-clear in its text and intent to be an absolute prohibition on government from infringing upon it.

Personally, I am puke-sick of the lot of you...Cult of Rand acolytes and ignoramus NRA-zombies.......Two fucked-up peas in the same sick, twisted, 'faithful' pod.

Compromising, willingly eroding liberty, slack-jawed, drooling non-principled gerbils, busily gnawing away at the foundations of the Constitution, the Republic and of Liberty itself.

This is classic 'fundamental principle' vs. foolish, trusting willful-ignorance, faith and cult-like sycophancy.

A person or an organization can do certain agreeable things and yet often knowingly facilitate and knowingly participate in a larger evil and a greater plan than the specific agreeable action indicates.

And so it goes...

Not to be a dick here...

But screw you. I dont worship Rand.

I see a guy that is taking a crucial issue and standing up for the rule of law. He is our best ally in Congress. He continues to hold the GOP and Administration accountable. He is showing ME what leadership is and how he would LEAD.

I WANT OUR MESSAGE TO WIN. Rand had a lifetime of watching his father. I do not want Rand to be like Ron. I want Rand to be his own man and so far he is out performing my expectations by leaps and bounds.

You seem to be on the Screw Rand Worship.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Hey, P. Nicholson, it's called

a troll. Divide and conquer to destroy what Ron Paul started is the goal. We must still be winning when they start crawling out of the woodwork like that.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Epic Fail

Hate to break it to you, cultist, but Ron Paul did not 'start' the quest for limited-government or individual liberty. It has been a battle of the ages and some of us do not look to 'some man/some leader' to tell us 'what or how' to approach it.

Thanks so much, however, for stepping up and providing a perfect real-time/real-world illustration of my point.

Are you really that ignorant or are

you just pretending to be?

We are not cultists. Ron Paul started the R3VOLution of our times, which resulted in the movement we are a part of, which is to restore our Constituion and our freedom. To what is your loyalty?

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Who is 'We'?

Ron Paul...Rand Paul...Ron Paul...Rand Paul...Ron Paul...Rand Paul...and on and on and on.

I am not much of a joiner or herd-beast, so if you do not mind, I will decline to be a part of anyone's 'movement'.

This is and always has been about fundamental Individual Liberty and a restoration of the Republic and the Constitution. It has NEVER been about 'a man', for me, but obviously it is and has been for droves, thus the 'cult' references.

Perhaps 'you' are not, but there are a plethora of examples that suggest otherwise, for others.

My long-traveled path and that of Dr. Paul merely converged at one point. Now he has moved on and I continue my path, as will he. At this time, Rand Paul isn't on it. Time will tell if we ever converge for a portion of this quest, or not.

I will simply assess, evaluate and comment as I see fit, regardless of your likes and dislikes.

It always cracks me up to see the often angry, heated or frenetic responses to simple assessment and/or criticism outside the paradigm de jour.

Enjoy your day.

For starters, "we" includes

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2957771

Not cultists and not angry. Although we may disagree with each other from time to time, we are for the same things.

No one's likes and dislikes should provoke the kind of comment you posted. Just know that you cannot stop an idea whose time has come.

May the road you travel bring you peace.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Rand 2016! (if Judge

Rand 2016! (if Judge Napolitano doesn't run)

Judge Napa

for Attorney General!

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I'm learning from Rand

Yes, I'm proud of Rand because he's defiantely changing the GOP and waking the good people within, how to stop looking like Democrats.

Rand is going to be awesome!

Rand is going to be awesome!

If folks on here would just relax and stop being so judgmental and support him, he'd rise to the occasion.

Ron was empowered by us, why can't we ALL do the same for Rand so we can see where it leads????

Amen to that!

Rand stayed on his message throughout every interview. Ive watched the CNN, USA Today and all the FOX clips. He was genuine, understood the message and delivered his message eloquently.

Rand is shaping up incredible.

His achilles heel may be the war issue. How the hell is he going to sell getting out of the middle east? Its going to be the most delicate issue for him to take on. He risks losing us if his plan would keep us there and he risks losing Party allies if he brings them home.

Politics is such a dirty business. Ill keep my fingers crossed and have a little faith that he has our interests at heart..

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

He is certainly doing something right

He is already seen as the De Facto leader of both the Teavangelical movement and the Liberty movement. By bringing these groups together he forms an unassailable position for the GOP primary. My evidence for this is christian radio. When Ron was running he couldn't get any love at all because he was painted as anti-israel. Rand has set himself up in that respect, and if you listen to christian radio now he is talked about as practically the second coming. Those folks are absolutely necessary to any sort of liberty canidate winning the nomination, just as they were critical to Reagan being nominated. We may not agree on everything, but we agree on most of the important things, there are a lot of the teavangelical types in the Republican party, and they vote in the primary (see santorum, huckabee et. al.) We need those folks. Rand needs those folks, and he is taking the correct steps to reel in those votes. The establishment in the republican party has always worked to keep the evangelicals and the liberty folks apart, they have to in order to nominate the McCain and Romney types they prefer. By building bridges and being a bit of a politician Rand is setting himself up for a victory, and is thus settign liberty up for our biggest vistory since the revolution.

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Thank you for sharing

That gave me goosebumps!

If he wins, Im taking my daughter and a couple nephews to the inauguration!

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Not yet.

Rand is playing politics, and I think we are all out of time.
Dorner tried to blow the whistle, and he was assassinated. The police state is here, they already answered Rand's question quite definitively and he seems to be ignoring the reply.
Yes, they will use drones to hunt down Americans on US soil and they will assassinate them. What question remains?

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

They didn't use a drone on dorner

They torched him via CS gas just like Waco. Why take the risk of uing a drone in that case? Dorner had already gained toom much sympathy. If they could have drone striked him in a rural area with no cops around they would have done that, but that possibilty was not in the cards for them this time.

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Precinct Commiteeman Precinct 5 Rock Island Co Illinois

c'mon fishy...

:)

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul