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Dorner claimed he was framed and did not murder anyone.

Here is a story that I missed when it came out, before Dorner was found:

This is an absolutely BOMBSHELL interview. I have only worked loosely with Chris as a BIN contributor, but he strikes me as a very "above board" man and I believe him, and I believe Dorner was framed.

Here are people who encountered Dorner while he was on the run. He left a trail of LIVE WITNESSES to his mercy, when a man "on the run" is better off with hostages and no witnesses.

OK, I am trying to find witnesses to the alleged murders committed by Dorner. One victim was Officer Michael Crain. Here is all I can find so far:
"He was in a patrol car with a rookie officer early Feb. 7 when ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner allegedly opened fire from another vehicle."

And here is what I've got on the couple:
"It was reported on Sunday that Dorner called the father of one of his alleged victims to taunt him about his daughter's death, it was revealed today.

He is suspected of shooting Monica Quan and her fiance Keith Lawrence in their car in Irvine, California, last Sunday as 'punishment' against her father Randall Quan, a former Los Angeles police captain.

Dorner wrote online that he blames Quan for his 2009 firing from the LAPD. Quan represented Dorner at the review board hearings that led to his dismissal."

So, Dorner was executed based on a telephone call and a reference to the victim's father in a manifesto we know was tampered with. If anyone can find compelling evidence that Dorner actually killed anyone besides the cop at the cabin, please post it, I'll add it.

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ok than

Lets just never do anything, that will do a lot.

You just got PAULED!

Who is Chris Dorner?

Does he have a mother or father that is living? Does he have a wife? Does he have any children? Who is his best friend? Who has come forward in his defense? Anyone?

Is he an real person?

Can anyone link to these questions the answer?

good question.


you can see from his eyes he is not insane,

whether he was framed we'll never know because he is either charred remains or a million miles away... its ben laden with

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

We Probably Will Never Find Out The Truth....

LAPD are as corrupt a law enforcement department can be..If anyone comes forward to say that Dorner was framed or innocent, they will be crucified or murdered just like he was...

I stated earlier that he got away..I'm not sure he did now..

The crime scene was totally controlled and then destroyed by the FBI and the LAPD..

Nuff said..

Former LAPD cop's take

"From my own experience as a Los Angeles police Officer and deep familiarity with both LAPD culture and history, I can say that with regards to Christopher Dorner's allegations regarding internal corruption, favoritism, racism and concealment of excessive force, I believe him 100%."

It was like a mob hit.

With full media coverage and public support. It is the "Christian versus the lions" and everyone is cheering for the lions.

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I believe you are right fishyculture--Dorner was framed!

No, I can't prove it, but neither can those who say he was a cold-blooded murderer.

As you have pointed out, a real killer--someone who has NO regard for human life-- would have shot that couple.

The MOST disturbing thing about all this, other than the fact that a number of people have lost their lives, is that people are so quick to believe what the nightly news tell them, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

There will be NO investigation into the 3 murders they accused

him of. That is pretty convenient.

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Lew Rockwell interviews Will Grigg.

Some bakstory:

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Randal K. Quan

I wonder if this is the same Randal K. Quan who played an Honor Guard Captain in the 1992 TV movie Afterburn?

I've taken a couple of snaps from the film (I could only find a very badly dubbed Russian version).

Honor Guard Captain makes his appearance at 36m 18s into the film.

Image of Randal Quan:

Here's an image line up:


Another actor? I wonder if it is the same guy, too.

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Consider this

LAPD is the problem here.
Dorner is dead, as he wanted.
Public attention to the San Bernadino Sheriffs Department is a pass to the criminals.

Working backwards....

Fishy.....if we exclude Dorners alleged manifesto, do you have a case ?
If we admit it as factual evidence, do you have a case ?

What are you getting at?


He claims he did not murder anyone. I cannot find any witnesses, I can barely find descriptions of the crimes. Now, that does not mean that evidence is not out there, it means I can't find any and I would appreciate it if anyone HERE could find such evidence.

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Good question

The evidence that he killed Quan's daughter is his manifesto.....should we exclude that ?

Why the disclaimer..?

Why did you exclude the execution of Deputy McKay ?

Is McKay the one shot at the cabin?

If so, because IF this story is correct, that puts the cabin scenario on different footing. That would mean an innocent man tried to blow the whistle on a corrupt force, they then framed him for murder and he ran. He tried to get his story out from hiding, got caught. Now he is surrounded by the very men he tried to expose, he knows he is framed for murder already and knows these guys are not going to let him say any more. That would mean shooting McKay was an act of self defense by an innocent man, and McKay was part of the criminal gang of thugs out to silence him.
And before you go off on me like some have chosen to do, understand that this is MY OPINION. I have looked at the facts the best I can, and I believe Dorner was framed. If you do not believe that, OK, but do not try to frame what I am saying around what YOU believe, it belongs in the context of what I believe. (And as I am painfully aware that this is an opinion formed on a dearth of facts, it is not an opinion set in stone.)
I asked for ANY evidence of witnesses to the murders Dorner is accused of, other than McKay, also because I do not doubt he shot McKay. I have asked if anyone can provide witnesses or other compelling evidence that Dorner murdered any of those people before the manhunt began, please post it. No one has done so. I looked, could not find any witnesses myself. My opinion was formed on my best efforts to find the truth.

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Hold on

1) McKay was shot on the road
2) Dorner was killed during a standoff with the San Bernadino Sheriffs department....Not the LAPD criminal organization.
3) If you admit he executed McKay and we know this happened in SanBernadino how how do you make the leap that Dorner had grievance with the San Bernadino Sheriffs department ?
4) Dorner's mistake, among his many, is two fold. He picked a fight with those who had nothing to do with his grievance and he violated his oath.

I think you excluded McKay because you cant defend it.

I'm not going to play

I am not trying to defend McKay or Dorner, I am trying to get to the truth. I have been completely transparent and honest, and you find the need to try to find my "real" motive.
My real motive, for the last time, is to find ANY EVIDENCE that Dorner murdered anyone before they began a manhunt for him. Do you have any such evidence? Any witnesses to any of the three murders he was charged with, that caused him to try go into hiding?

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Yes, I do

You admitted he killed McKay

Can you read AND comprehend?

He was accused of three murders before he fled to the mountains. Can you find any EVIDENCE that he is guilty of those murders? And even if I stand up and say "He killed all three of them" that is not evidence, that is still my opinion.
Evidence, it goes hand and hand with justice, and justice requires truth.
I am going to go check your "recent comments" and if you are making other comments, we are good. If all your recent comments are chasing me around being obstinate, I am blocking you. I have better things to do with my time.
There is a very real chance the police just hunted down and executed an innocent man. I want to know if that is what happened. If you don't care, that says something pretty sad about you.

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that's the stuff they talk about during trials? He's not gonna have a trial. He was "executed" because he chose not to stand and face his accusers.

It is a trial

In the Court of Public Opinion.
Was Deputy McKay executed ?


First off, as I wrote, I meant no disrespect.
How could the SBCSD have killed an innocent man when Dorner killed McKay ?

Your cracking under the pressure

I could care less about you, no offense.
Nor will I lower this to personal slander.

How much less could you care?

How much less could you care?

As I thought

Every one of your recent comments is a pointless jab at me.
Good bye!

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No kidding

All my recent comments are directed at you, nobody else seems to want to defend your post.........