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Dorner claimed he was framed and did not murder anyone.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/video-report-gu...

Here is a story that I missed when it came out, before Dorner was found:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/chris-dorner-sp...

This is an absolutely BOMBSHELL interview. I have only worked loosely with Chris as a BIN contributor, but he strikes me as a very "above board" man and I believe him, and I believe Dorner was framed.

Here are people who encountered Dorner while he was on the run. He left a trail of LIVE WITNESSES to his mercy, when a man "on the run" is better off with hostages and no witnesses.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569233/carjacking-vict...

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/13/local/la-me-0214-dor...

OK, I am trying to find witnesses to the alleged murders committed by Dorner. One victim was Officer Michael Crain. Here is all I can find so far:
"He was in a patrol car with a rookie officer early Feb. 7 when ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner allegedly opened fire from another vehicle."
http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_22580937

And here is what I've got on the couple:
"It was reported on Sunday that Dorner called the father of one of his alleged victims to taunt him about his daughter's death, it was revealed today.

He is suspected of shooting Monica Quan and her fiance Keith Lawrence in their car in Irvine, California, last Sunday as 'punishment' against her father Randall Quan, a former Los Angeles police captain.

Dorner wrote online that he blames Quan for his 2009 firing from the LAPD. Quan represented Dorner at the review board hearings that led to his dismissal."
http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_22580937

So, Dorner was executed based on a telephone call and a reference to the victim's father in a manifesto we know was tampered with. If anyone can find compelling evidence that Dorner actually killed anyone besides the cop at the cabin, please post it, I'll add it.




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Perhaps this is worthy of reposting here...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2013/02/15/348-t...

Great Post! Thanks Fishy!

Voting...

I notice the high number of red marks with rising digits next to my name. It appears I have more downvoting than engaging.......

John, was deputy McKay executed by the LAPD ?

I don't have a clue.

I don't have a clue.

Drive by

Did the SBCSD execute Dorner ?

Sorry, can't resist

I shot the sheriff but I did not shoot no deputy

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

Do we have any coroner's reports?

What bodies does the state have in custody?

LAPD framed OJ Simpson. They never investigated anyone else.

Free includes debt-free!

whoah what?

where is this info that O.J Simpson was framed?

Good Point, Paul

LAPD is the known, known
LAPD is the criminal organization that deserves the full brunt from the public.
Not Deputy McKay and people of San Bernadino.

Isn't he the second spec ops ex-mil guy...

...they offed in a month?

hmm.....

This was my thoughts from the

This was my thoughts from the beginning...he has some dirt on someone that he has NOT released yet & they want to make sure it stays that way

"Great Men Do Not Seek Power, They Have Great Power Thrust Upon Them"
www.campaignforliberty.com
www.downsizedc.org
www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://scarecro.users.sonic.net/blog/

At this point...

I would not be surprised! After all, our Govt has such a good reputation...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

An excellent

piece of crap.

Fishyculture's guilty pleasure = Speculating till the wee hours of the night.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Yeah, there is no substance to this theory.

From the BIN link, Dorner apparently posted this on Facebook:

"Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer Magana call an indivdual a nigger again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told Magana not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I want”. Officer Burdios, a friend of his, also stated that he would say nigger when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around Burdios’ neck and squeezed. I stated to Burdios, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana’s skull."

Yeah, sounds like a totally innocent, non-violent, benevolent fellow.

And remember, according to fishy, he was very kind to the people he tied up and gagged, too. (Ignore that part where they say he was menacing.)

*rolling my eyes*

thank you for that valuable input

Your contributions to trying to get to the facts here are noted.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Your contributions in trying to

promote them as so is duly noted as well. Keep up the search and do let us know when you actually find some. Preferable those that are first hand accounts, video of and such.. you know.. the usual types of proof.

Try and stay away from BOMBSHELL declarations until you have an actual bombshell, eh?

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

This couple's testimony looks valid:

"Fugitive former police officer Christopher Jordan Dorner was apparently holed up inside a Big Bear area condo for as many as five days before the husband and wife who own the property surprised him and then were tied up and gagged, the couple said Wednesday night.

Dorner bound the husband's and wife's hands with plastic zip ties, stuffed small towels in their mouths so they couldn't scream and covered their heads with pillowcases that he tied with electrical cords, they said."

A guy who would do that...was actually just framed?

Nice selective editing.

Yeah, a guy who was framed would leave them alive. He did not even tie them up until she tried to run away. He assured them over and over he would not hurt them. A guy who was a crazed murderer would have killed them, and made sure they were dead, and unable to call the police.

Have you ever tried to blow a whistle on corruption? My "success" story was peanuts - a doctor who just could not stay sober and would not even consider trying, so I turned him in after I saw him snorting coke while he was on call with my own eyes. It was nothing, no big deal. Just a little 2 doctor practice in Hicksville, USA. I wound up in hiding for a couple days. People get ANGRY when you tell them their world is not what they thought it was, and they will fall for their doctors like they are clergy.

Find me any form of witness to a murder committed by Dorner, I have tried and I cannot. Now, I am not counting the cop that died in the shootout, but by the time the cops have surrounded you and - giving Dorner the benefit of the doubt for a moment - you are staring down the barrels of a hundred guns held by people you just tried to expose for corruption... I consider that one a possible case of "self defense."

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Clarify....

Deputy McKay was not executed during the fire fight at the cabin.
He was executed, without due process, on the road leading to the cabin.

Nice bias

You focus on witness testimony that Dorner was kind and just dismiss the experience of a couple who was tied up and gagged.

Dorner was a menacing presence but at other times tried to reassure the couple that he did not want to harm them, they said.

"He tried to calm us down, saying very frequently, he would not kill us," said Jim Reynolds, who has owned the condo with his wife for 12 years. "He huddled down beside me and said, 'You're going to be quiet right? Not make a fuss and let me get away?' "

Dorner identified himself as the man wanted by law enforcement authorities. "I know you know who I am, I know you've been seeing the news," Karen Reynolds recalled him saying.

That is ridiculous.

Tied up and gagged - but not harmed in any way. These are the people who wound up getting him caught. He would have been better off to kill them, if he were just a criminal on the lam.
If he was a whistleblower trying to get his story told, what would he do?
He barely even tied them up, they were free in MINUTES. Why are you so OK with executing men without a trial?

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Why are you so okay with making cr*p up?

I never said I'm OK with executing a man without trial.

The fact that you would speculate wildly about THAT matches your wild speculation about other things.

You minimize this couple's frightening experience just so it conforms with your pet theory. That's bad detective work, to say the very least.

What "pet theroy" and what did I make up?

I am not "minimizing" anything, I am comparing it to DEAD. Most "crazed murderers" leave DEAD people in their wake, not scared ones.
I brought a WHOLE LOT of links here, shared some information that I think deserves looked at. I have not asked anyone to believe anything, and I clearly stated that "I believe" Dorner was framed. Not that YOU have to believe it, but I shared why I believe it.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

"Why are you so OK with executing men without a trial?"

This question implies that I am okay with executing men without trial.

Why would you think that?

Either because I had said something explicitly in favor of men being executed without trial OR because you were making cr*p up out of thin air. In this case, it was the latter. You just made it up.

And if you can't see that "Dorner was framed" is a THEORY, I can do nothing for you.

"Dorner CLAIMED He Was Framed" is the title

That is the testimony of the man in the interview I linked, not my personal claim. As I explained, I believe it. You do not. You make post after post indicating you believe Dorner was a violent man as if that justifies what happened to him. Now, I am done with you on this topic. We can agree to disagree, or at least I can. Feel free to snipe away without me.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

AS IF that justifies? No that's totally your imagination.

Whether or not Dorner was framed is a completely separate topic from how he met his demise.

You seem incapable of separating them.

Probably because it's easier to make me look bad by pretending I am okay with executing people without trial, than reckoning with my argument that how the media you cite here actually highlights Dorner's probable violent temperament.

Red herring.

Might as well be true. There

Might as well be true. There was no trial.

There were absolutely no

reasons to hijack private cars, tresspass private properties and tie down women as hostages. If he did not respect individual rights of innocent people, I do not care about his rights. He refused to come out and face due process. Using force to subdue him became just an option not a necessity. I personally liked the fact he was roasted.

You have got to be kidding me

What would you do if you knew you would die in custody? Would you turn yourself in? Would you go willing when the Gestapo came to take you to the work camp? No reason to run we are here to help you.

You are not focused

If Gestapo came for you
1) you do not kill a daughter of the officer.
2) you do not support Gestapo's leader.

Dorner is a big Obama supporter and for gun control. His grievances about unemployment and his colleagues had nothing to do with jail or threats to his life. He ran because he commited murders and planned to do more.

If you do not believe police and media, why do you believe Dorner was killed? May be there is no Dorner.