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Dorner claimed he was framed and did not murder anyone.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/video-report-gu...

Here is a story that I missed when it came out, before Dorner was found:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/chris-dorner-sp...

This is an absolutely BOMBSHELL interview. I have only worked loosely with Chris as a BIN contributor, but he strikes me as a very "above board" man and I believe him, and I believe Dorner was framed.

Here are people who encountered Dorner while he was on the run. He left a trail of LIVE WITNESSES to his mercy, when a man "on the run" is better off with hostages and no witnesses.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569233/carjacking-vict...

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/13/local/la-me-0214-dor...

OK, I am trying to find witnesses to the alleged murders committed by Dorner. One victim was Officer Michael Crain. Here is all I can find so far:
"He was in a patrol car with a rookie officer early Feb. 7 when ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner allegedly opened fire from another vehicle."
http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_22580937

And here is what I've got on the couple:
"It was reported on Sunday that Dorner called the father of one of his alleged victims to taunt him about his daughter's death, it was revealed today.

He is suspected of shooting Monica Quan and her fiance Keith Lawrence in their car in Irvine, California, last Sunday as 'punishment' against her father Randall Quan, a former Los Angeles police captain.

Dorner wrote online that he blames Quan for his 2009 firing from the LAPD. Quan represented Dorner at the review board hearings that led to his dismissal."
http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_22580937

So, Dorner was executed based on a telephone call and a reference to the victim's father in a manifesto we know was tampered with. If anyone can find compelling evidence that Dorner actually killed anyone besides the cop at the cabin, please post it, I'll add it.

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Ummm..

This is all pure speculation or did I miss something?

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

I think you missed something

But I don't know where to start to catch you up.
Dorner has several LIVE "victims" who claim he was kind, and did not frighten them. It is not consistent with a crazed killer. The official story, once again, stands on its ear. This is a man who has "alternative media" credentials, and he says Dorner contacted him and gives all the evidence he has.
I don't really ask you to believe one story or the other, I appreciate you taking the time to at least LEARN the "other side of the story." Now you are informed and can be on the lookout for clues about which story is closer to the truth.

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"not consistent with a crazed killer"

Actually I know of many crazed killers who have been very polite to other people at other times.

I think Dorner has some dead

I think Dorner has some dead victims too.

Just asking

Are there any eye witnesses? Did he have an alibi? I don’t watch the news and I didn’t follow the story completely, so I am asking you since you know. Is there any shadow of a doubt that he committed murder?

pure speculation

the Facts ... :) of the video
Dorner contacted BIN
Dorner updated his fb page
Dorner was instantly tracked by Anon

Facts?

1) They think he contacted them. (meaning, they added him on facebook)
2) They think Dorner updated his facebook page and maybe they made contact with him.
3) Anonymous did something.

Who knows what happened, except he's dead. This is not hard hitting journalism, this is mostly guess work and gut feelings. Go tell an Atheist God exists based on this type of evidence, see how far that gets you.

It is someone sharing the information they have.

If I was on the run, and wanted to get my story on the internet, I'd contact Nystrom, Rivero and this guy.
Chris can't control what he has to share, but he shared what he has. It is NOT a story you are likely to hear out of the media, so I think it is important that you hear it here. None of us knows what actually happened, but if this was Dorner's last act on earth, an attempt to use his life to call attention to the LAPD and they ASSASSINATED HIM and get away with it...

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Well and good

That's all well and good, let's just not forget that if he committed the crimes he's accused of, IF he wrote that "manifesto", he was a psycho. Amidst other psychos.

We will never know?

Those questions are supposed to be presented in a court of law and a Jury of Peers is supposed to determine the answer. What we have is a shot up truck used by 2 women delivering newspapers and a burned up cabin. Why did the police shoot up that blue truck like that?

Yep, we won't

I agree, we won't ever know, too bad there is so much evil in men's hearts.

Yes,

it is a very sad state of affairs.

I find it difficult these days to know what the truth is, except that The Word is truth. And that is comfort.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. John 1:1

Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Sanctify them thru they truth. They Word is Truth. John 17:17

But we are sure that the judgment of God is accordingto truth against them which commit such things. Romans 2:2

On

Right on Brother Bear!

Yes, God is Good!

He is the Rock, a Firm Foundation!

I'm a sister bear

Ha

Sorry Sister Bear!

Good News in a Rough World!

In the middle of worship as I fold laundry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P682m7KcPqA

The people who interacted with him say he was NOT psycho

and they are alive to tell us that.
Think about it, if he was just a crazed killer, he NEEDED to kill the housekeeping couple. You don't leave witnesses. Instead, he chose to leave witnesses to his mercy.
What evidence is there that he killed the first three? Is there video? I will look into it myself, it is just what the media said to me, at this point. The manifesto is also a bit hazy, 2 versions of it floating around soon after the story broke. And 2 wallets, one of them the magic, inflammable type that most terrorists carry...

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I don't

I don't mean he was actually a raving loon. I mean he was evil and doing very evil things. Think about this... in this man's "personal ethos" (as he said many times in his manifesto) it was wrong to call someone a nigger or to lie about someone, but it was ok to KILL people who lie. That is evil. He did evil things that sprung from his evil heart. I know some people have seen too many movies or are infected with a sort of "I can decide what is right and wrong for myself" sort of mentality that the modern liberal has injected into society, but the reality is that IF right and wrong, ethics exist, they exist objectively. They exist objectively or not at all. If not at all, then lying about this officer wasn't wrong, any more than his killing. If they do exist objectively then the reality is that the people who lied about him did wrong/evil and he did as well. There is no good guy here.

You are assuming he is guilty of the murders he denies?

And I am not trying to sort out good and evil men in this, there is nothing but mixed bags. "Innocent man" is what I am worried about... did the LAPD just assassinate a man, body and character, to cover their own evil ways?

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Maybe

Do you know that they did? Do you know Dorner was innocent? Do we know anything? Nope. So all the speculation is ridiculous.

He didn't NEED to kill the housekeeping couple.

Your deductions are way off.

According to the official story, Dorner said he was going after specific targets. What's so impossible about someone having a vendetta and sparing people who aren't part of that vendetta? A person can be at war with certain factions of society (like cops) and on peaceable terms with others. They can also make their own decisions about who they "need" to kill, and who they don't, based on personal whims, criteria, and whatnot.

But, from what I've seen of your argumentation across the years, I know you're probably incapable of seeing my point here. You tend to think anyone who points out the flaws in your logic must subscribe to the official stories you are challenging. Which is just a nuisance to contend with, and maybe that's why you get so much "air time." People don't feel like wasting time correcting all your false assumptions.

Have a good one, pseudo.

Now you are just attacking me personally. Thanks for the bumps, and go on rejoicing that those wonderful cops protected you from this madman.

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And there you go AGAIN

You confuse criticism of your rhetoric with support for whatever you are opposing.

I never rejoiced what the cops did. Just saying that the links you posted actually support the theory that Dorner was violent, and your "crazed killers are never nice to people" line of argumentation is total BS.

Have a nice time deflecting honest scrutiny, as usual, for the sake of protecting your ego, as usual.

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facts as presented

The Definition of Treason

trea·son (trzn)
n.
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

treason [ˈtriːzən]
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) violation or betrayal of the allegiance that a person owes his sovereign or his country, esp by attempting to overthrow the government; high treason
2. any treachery or betrayal

Treason
See also crime.

collaborationism
an act of cooperating with an invader of one’s country. — collaborationist, n.
perfidy
1. breach of trust, especially treachery or treason.
2. an act or instance of this. — perfidious, adj.
recreancy
cowardice, treason, or disloyalty. — recreant, n., adj.

Wow...

I think that describes most of our recent presidents...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

before its snooze

My God listening to that guy was painful.

How many claims can one make with out a shred of evidence?

Anon was in contact with Dorner in minutes, they tracked him down?

Yawn

"You don't know if you are talking to a dog on line!"

Great interview. Lots of food for thought. We are living in crazy times.

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double post, internet connection interrupted mid-post.

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thanks

For taking the time to listen. Many of the questions in other replies are answered in the interview, I hope those folks are listening now, too.
This is just so important, I don't know if people are grasping the implications here.

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