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The cat is out of the bag on cell phone hacking and surveillance

It was described recently by one rights group as a “secretive new surveillance tool.” But documents just released by the FBI suggest that a clandestine cellphone tracking device known as the “Stingray” has been deployed across the United States for almost two decades—despite questions over its legality.

The FBI calls it a “sensitive investigative technique” that it wants to keep secret. But newly released documents that shed light on the bureau’s use of a controversial cellphone tracking technology called the “Stingray” have prompted fresh questions over the legality of the spy tool.

Stingrays look like cell towers but are used to collect cell information (even when the phone is not in use) from everyone within reach of the device. Law enforcement officials say the tool is used in a targeted way to search for terror suspects. the defendant in this case says his fourth amendment rights were violated.

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Fight Technology With Technology

I have known about this for a long time, nothing new. If it really bothers you, get something like:


If you want to learn more about cellphone privacy or how to diy a "Stingray" (for stealth testing purposes of course) check out the Defcon talk:


The hilarius part is that you can literally set up one of these base stations completely legally with a HAM radio license over an ISM band. You literally do no break any laws by setting ones of these up.

well i guess

listen to Ron Paul so much hopefully someone who listens in learns liberty and freedom :)

Albert Camus — 'The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.'

A few years ago I used my cell phone to report a lightening hit

that had started some trees on fire along the highway in NW Ontario Canada. Within a few minutes the Provincial police had located me using my cell phone and knew exactly where to send the fire squad.

So I guess we can be found any minute of the day or night if you have your cell phone with you.


With the countless hours I listen to Ron Paul, Judge Nap, Tom Woods, etc., videos with my phone next to me, I hope something sinks in.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


Thats good!

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

The way I see it, you've got a choice.

We can take the time we have left and enjoy it, giving is to a future we don't want to think about or we can embrace technology as it should have been (for good purposes) and cut the head off the snake that has, is and will always cause us the grief we abhor.

I choose number 2. Get my back, I'm going over the wall!

Read a few of those comments

Read a few of those comments on Slate, man those people are blind.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

I think it's prudent...

...to assume that all electronic communication is being monitored at all times.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

it's not necessary to assume

as a several-decade veteran of the telecom industry, I can assure you that ALL communications are copied - ALL.

if they want to listen to a call you had with your mom in 2005 - they have it. The email you sent to your last girlfriend? got it, too.

one of my best friends was the individual who admitted the NSA agents into our fiber hub so they could splice in - many years ago.

Well then -

Anyone you know of still have access to getting a copy of a conversation that transpired on the morning of September 11th 2001? This is why @ 1:15:


The only way

The only way to secure a cell phone is to take its battery out. (Some of the new phones have batteries that cannot be removed.) Even without "Stingray" the phone itself is a potential snitch. When the battery goes back in, the location of the phone can be detected. All the data stored on it, and all the activities of the phone, are accessible to the carrier.

The carrier can update the software at any time. My AT&T Android automatically updated its software today. It did not ask permission. It just said, you cannot and will not do anything until this updating is finished.

The PTB could "ask" carriers to put spy software into a suspect's phone or into all phones. There are rumors of software that causes the phone to act as a bug, transmitting to the eavesdroppers everything the microphone picks up, even when the phone appears to be turned off.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Isn't there some way

To house your phone without removing the battery?

Ron Paul Was Right

they DO listen when the cell phones are off

that capability was required in the telecom act of 1996, signed into law by Clinton.

A good friend of mine

was a big part of the early development of Echelon, the project that morphed into what you're referring to.

One story he frequently told was during his private, NSA chaperoned flight to Columbia (to set up one of the thousands of secret tap-sites), they came up behind a Cessna. Suspecting it to be a drug dealer (with zero basis for that), they got withing 3 miles of the plane, turned on their suitcase equipment, tapped into the cell phone, turned on the mic and started paging through it's information while listening to every word said in the little plane. He never even knew they were tailing him.

Now I'm curious -

Anyone you know of still have access to getting a copy of a conversation that transpired on the morning of September 11th 2001? This is why @1:15 :


jeez. No wonder my battery

jeez. No wonder my battery keeps draining so fast. :D


Maybe we could sue them based on theft, since they're effectively using your power for their gain?

I am fairly sure you are correct

I can't source it now, it was years ago, but I remember seeing some sort of accidental confession about their ability to remotely activate cell phones as bugs.

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