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Implications if the Sasquatch DNA results are verified

At first blush this may seem off-topic but it has potentially very deep philosophical, social, legal, and political implications.

Two days ago Dr. Melba Ketchum, owner/director of a forensic DNA laboratory in Texas, issued an immediately controversial paper describing the numerous tests that she and several independent labs she contracted ran on over 100 hair, blood, saliva, and tissue samples of alleged or suspected Sasquatch/Bigfoot source from 14 states and two Canadian provinces. She reports very startling conclusions.

All the sample tests showed fully modern human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA)of the types arising from Europe and the Middle East. At the same time all samples showed nuclear DNA that had some gene sequences in common with humans and certain other primates but also some sequences that matched nothing in the Genbank® all-species database. (Some samples collected for this study were screened out because under magnification they matched known wildlife, domestic animals, or were clearly human. Control samples and samples of DNA from the collectors were also tested as a precaution.)

These results suggest that all the samples in this study came from hybrid creatures with at least one purely human woman somewhere in the lineage, with all other females in the lineage being either fully human or hybrid females carrying human mtDNA. This can be determined because DNA found in the mitochondria are always inherited from the mother; only nuclear DNA (nuDNA) is mingled at fertilization.

Besides the sensational zoological/anthropological value of Ketchum's results, if verified by others, what do they imply for society? What are the ramifications of large, hairy, smelly, apparently nocturnal creatures that are in some portion genetically human living in wooded areas of North America and reportedly other continents? Ketchum's findings, if proved accurate, mean that we have company -- company that has for many generations been supremely independent of their small, weak, civilized cousins who have miserable night vision.

OK, I know there is inevitable smirking right about now so let's be a bit lighthearted here and consider:

Were Mongoloid Native Americans illegal aliens invading Bigfoot's territory?
If a Sasquatch "tribe" protests a dam project, would it have legal recourse?
Is Bigfoot a secret plot to advance Agenda 21?
Is Agenda 21 directed at restoring the territorial rights of Sasquatch?
If a man impregnates a Sasquatch, should he have parental rights?
Should Bigfoot be required to show proof of citizenship?
Where would we deport an illegal Sasquatch anyhow?
Sasquatch reportedly kill and eat deer. Shouldn't they have to get a deer license?
Or be ticketed for jaywalking?
Public nudity?
Will we have to build extra-sturdy jail cells to hold all the big, hairy scofflaws?
Will police need to carry an EXTRA-high-voltage taser?

OK, back to serious: There is bound to be a huge outcry from religious fundamentalists. Bigfoot is the AntiChrist or the spawn of Satan. A new target for the KKK. Some stuffed-shirt anthropologists will have heart attacks or commit suicide because their pet theories that have made it into textbooks will go out on the trash heap. Human exceptionalism will be taken down a few pegs. Natural rights theory will need to be reworked, expanded.

Of course these ideas have all been thought of before by a courageous few Sasquatch researchers (yes, I was one back in my younger days). Now, however, due to the implications of the Ketchum DNA study, we must all potentially face these questions in a serious manner.

Note to scoffers: You are not alone. The scientific community will be especially vicious in your behalf. However, Ketchum has received offers to re-test the samples from her study by other DNA researchers so the necessary process of scientifically verifying or debunking her work has begun.

I cannot give you Ketchum's paper, which is highly technical anyway. Like most scientific papers you can order it online for a fee. I'm just not sure where to order it though as it was sent to me for comment. There has been much criticism of the report, mainly by people who haven't read it, beginning months before its release. There is plenty to see by Googling "Ketchum Bigfoot," "Ketchum Sasquatch," or "Ketchum DNA."

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Poor bastards

will lose their freedom also.

To my Liberal Trolls:
"Really Don't mind if you sit this one out. Your words but a whisper, your deafness a shout. I may make you feel, but I can't make you think."
Ian Anderson 1972


I passed it along to one of the BF sites.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Little did they know it was

Little did they know it was just m husband out for an evening stroll!


You're walking through the woods in the evening, and you're packing a .357. Suddenly, a hulking primate walks out of a patch of dense foliage. What do you do?

A) SHOOT IT. Then shoot it again. Sell it to scientist. PROFIT.
B) Offer it some pot.
C) Inform it that its mother was a hamster and its father smelled of elderberries.

All of the available responses are based entirely on what I believe a DP member would likely do.

I find us hilarious.


I'm confused, does the gun you're carrying only have two bullets? Please repeat "shoot it" 16 times for me.

Eric Hoffer

Ha ha

I think my county here in WA is the only one in the nation that has actually made intentionally shooting a Sasquatch a misdemeanor offense!



New Hampshire and Ecuador.

In East Texas, our local term

In East Texas, our local term for Sasquatch is 'Sabine Thing' for our proximity to the Sabine River.

Southern Agrarian

Unleash the drones, I say!

Wild stuff!

What would the Founders do?

Truer than you may know

(or maybe you do):

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Oh Great

Now they're gonna use drones to find bigfoot. POOR BIGFOOT! Ever see what happened to the silverbacks once they were discovered?


No, what?

Did they make ashtrays out of their hands and sell their testicles to Chinese apothecary shops?

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Now we are all dumber for having read this.

Now we are all dumber for having read this. Thanks a lot. /s

Or possibly ahead of the curve


BTW, if we were at the peak of the campaign season I would be more hesitant to post this because there are plenty who devoutly believe it is bunk. I'm not a believer myself but am very qualified to rate it as high in likelihood of being true.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

please take this off DP's homepage it hurts DP's credibility

but if you don't fine. I for one don't think discussing imaginary species does anything but chalk up DP into a entertainment site for WWF, Alex JOnes yeeahaw Jesse the Body Ventura assclowns.

not to say I don't agree with a lot they say... but in the mind of a ordinary American this is all the justification they need to ignore us.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Very cool! You can debunk this?

Or am I to just trust you that it is an "imaginary species?"
I find this story fascinating. I lived in an area where there were supposed to be Bigfoots for a while, near Mt. Rainier. I never saw anything, but there were a LOT of locals who had seen something.
If this gets independently verified, will you reconsider your stance, or are you committed to "disbelief" regardless of facts?
And why in the world would you demand something be taken down if the community has shown interest in it? Who CARES what "other people think?" If they can't stand the heat, they don't belong in the kitchen.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I'm not demanding, I'm asking politely and stating my regret.

There may be a bigfoot but what does that have to do with the Ron Paul movement?

Are we also not witnessing the mental health of our movement come into play after sandy hook?

Are we also not witnessING the media lump Maniac in With Truthers and stoke mental health checks for registering weapons?

Are we also not witnessing several ideological inconsistencies about Rand and Ron Paul in an attempt to squash the spiritual foundation behind what keeps this website alive?

Are we also looking at an article claiming the possible existence of bigfoot?

Post it if you want, I still think it hurts this movement more and more everyday stuff like this reached the front page.


A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

RIght on!

I agree. I got into hot water on the DP over my anger towards AJ/Piers Morgan debacle. My hope is that we unite under a positive cause.

Would you click this link and share some thoughts?


'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul


As I relate in a comment above, "BTW, if we were at the peak of the campaign season I would be more hesitant to post this because there are plenty who devoutly believe it is bunk. I'm not a believer myself but am very qualified to rate it as high in likelihood of being true."

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Oh Please

This is the kind of stuff that causes people to lose faith in the credibility of this community. Let something like this come out on Discovery channel or something, and until it does ignore it. This has no political relevance except to discredit the people here.

Oh please, get a sense of humor.

If you have not noticed, there are several forum topics to choose from, politics is only one of them.
There is nothing in this article demanding you believe it, and there are no comments here indicating this community believes it. Many of us find it interesting and a little funny. If it does not interest you, don't read it. If you are worried about it being seen here, don't even click the link, that helps keep it active. And commenting keeps it on the front page.
If you worry about YOUR posting habits instead of what others post, it will all work out just fine.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Post what you want

I am naturally a skeptic on conspiracy theories, but I give them an audience because I distrust the established government. And when it comes to trillions of dollars there is no doubt people will conspire.

When I see this my brain immediately loses respect for anyone's opinion on conspiracy theories that also believes in this. That will be the reaction of most people.

People are free to post what they want, but seeing this rated so high bothers me. It begins to look to me like this community will grab on to whatever conspiracy theory anyone farts out.

Gotta say

that the history of once-prevailing ideas in science is like an immense rubble heap. Metorites were long regarded as mythical, the Earth was once thought flat, the Okapi and Giant Panda make-believe.

Remember, while skepticism is good, DISbelief actually IS belief -- belief in the non-existence or non-truth of something. As such it can be just as irrational as unfounded belief. A mixture of skepticism, open-mindedness, and inquisitiveness is optimum.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Some interesting Native American stories about red haired giants

and the discovery of their skeletal remains in America, Peru, and also Hawaii, and many other places!

"It should be noted that there have been hundreds of giant discoveries in the USA that have been either ignored or taken into custody by the Smithsonian never to be seen again.) The Incas actually had kings that were giants and had red and blond hair. In the Gold Museum in Lima you can still see the clothing and head of an Incan king who stood an easy 10 feet tall. His golden robe is 8 feet long and did not touch the ground when he wore it. His gold gloves are twice as long as my hands. His dried and mummified head is easily twice the size of mine and I'm not a little person. There are two giants and their belongings in the Gold Museum in Lima Peru. Everywhere you go in Peru there are giant skulls and skeletons. Many of the skulls are not normal looking either, and they are not all thousands of years old. In most cases we are talking hundreds of years."


Then it may interest you to know

that Ketchum's next endeavor is ancient DNA extraction from remains of pre-Incan people with dolichocephalic (elongate cranium) skulls, some of which are mummified and exhibit unusually massive mandibles, absence of certain cranial sutures, especially large orbits, and wavy red hair. She has samples for DNA extraction in her possession.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

I have been following the research

for a long time. Most people know nothing about any of this, and the media says nothing except programmed drivel by and large. I am curious about everything and want to learn.

It means no camping for me!


I think maybe the samples indicating less than human DNA

probably came from some liberals on a camping trip.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.


They're saying the same thing about conservatives over on the liberal sites ;-)

New Hampshire and Ecuador.