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Ron Paul interviewed by Tavis Smiley & Cornel West - Imagine that! This is wonderful!

These two had to have been impressed with Ron!

http://www.smileyandwest.com/this-weeks-show/the-conversatio...

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What

First you want to know what I am for; now you want to know what I am against. Both of which is very clear from my posts.

This is a pro-liberty website. If you can't figure out what we believe in here, then you may want to consider going back to RawStory.

You must be a female liberal.

Does "liberty" not imply

Does "liberty" not imply people can freely and voluntarily choose to live within a commune?

Tyranny

Not when your utopian commune encompasses those who do not wish to live within it yet they are forced to becasue the 'majority' of that geographic area have decided to be communist. That is tyranny not liberty.

Are you new here?

How is our utopian system

How is our utopian system today any different than the communist tyranny you described?

And, no, I'm not new here. But, you are obviously new to the concepts of liberty. In your limited understanding, what did Dr. West say that was actually communist?

You should be more careful with demagoguery. Your misunderstanding of liberty only advances the case against libertarianism. In other words, you're working against your own cause, and you're too dumb to realize it.

Tyranny

Who said our current system is utopian?... Not me. You have now resorted to putting words in my mouth in order to advance your nonsense. A pity.

DR. West described a system controlled and ruled by the worker. That is a description of the Soviet Union.

You should listen more carefully. It is not demagoguery if it accurately describes one's position.

You believe democracy equates to liberty. The founders of this nation endeavored to advance the cause of individual liberty. So they established a republic, not a democracy.

Your misunderstanding of liberty advances the cause of majority rule, known as democracy. Otherwise known as, tyranny.

Who said our current system

Who said our current system is utopian?... Not me. You have now resorted to putting words in my mouth in order to advance your nonsense. A pity.

The current system is somebody's utopia. You brought up the concept of utopia, I did not.

DR. West described a system controlled and ruled by the worker.

A worker sounds like an individual. Are you against a system where an individual rules himself?

That is a description of the Soviet Union.

Was the USSR ruled by "workers" or by some privileged ruling class?

You believe democracy equates to liberty.

Where have I written such nonsense? Who's putting words in whose mouth?

Your misunderstanding of liberty advances the cause of majority rule, known as democracy. Otherwise known as, tyranny.

So, democracy is the only form of tyranny?

a 'worker' is this context is

a 'worker' is this context is certainly not an individual. It is a collective of workers (plural) who use their collective to force certain conditions upon everyone else whether they agree with them or not. They are not ruling themselves. They are setting the stage for tyranny. They are just too stupid to realize it.

The propaganda of the Soviet Union was that of the worker. If you knew your history you would understand this.

You have continued to argue the point that a democratically elected 'commune' or a communist system is ok as long as the people vote for it. And I have been arguing that not everyone ever agrees on everything and inevitably that system is tantamount to tyranny to those who do not wish to live in the 'commune'. That is the point that you don't seem to understand.

A Republic is about the protection and preservation of the minority on any given issue. A democracy is majority rule which always leads to a privileged ruling class. This is what we have today in the United States.

Democracy is not the only form of tyranny. However, democracy always leads to tyranny. Democracy is nothing more than two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. A Republic is when you arm the sheep. (I think Franklin said that)

How is it that after five years here, you do not understand this very simple concept?

a 'worker' is this context is

a 'worker' is this context is certainly not an individual.

In who's context? Please describe how any voluntary association is incompatible with libertarianism? Then ask yourself if citizenship of any state is always voluntary?

The propaganda of the Soviet Union was that of the worker. If you knew your history you would understand this.

What is the propaganda of the USA?

You have continued to argue the point that a democratically elected 'commune' or a communist system is ok as long as the people vote for it.

Please cite where I have made such a ridiculous argument. I'm pretty sure you won't find it as that's the strawman you've constructed.

And I have been arguing that not everyone ever agrees on everything and inevitably that system is tantamount to tyranny to those who do not wish to live in the 'commune'. That is the point that you don't seem to understand.

In a truly free society, what's prevening any individual from leaving a commune or any voluntary association? The concepts of liberty and voluntarism seem to be points you don't understand. Dr. West finding common ground with Ron Paul is a step forward. Your demogoguery of Dr. West with terms you have limited understanding of, like "liberty" and "communism," is two steps back.

Liberal Troll

What are you talking about "in who's context." The context in which West was speaking of course.

There is much propaganda in the US; however, what does that have to do with what I said. Your wrong and can't admit it (or too stupid to realize it) so you change the subject to America and ignore the Soviet Union which you seem to be fond of. I am quite aware of the propaganda in America. The problem with America is that it has become a democracy and has abandoned the republic.

Citation: "If people voluntarily choose to be in a communist society, what's the problem?" Do you not remember writing that? Go back and see for yourself becasue that is what this entire discussion is about.

When your commune is elected and encompasses a nation, no one is free to leave. That's the point. It's one thing to live in a commune of ten people who move to an area and want to be alone. But when you make your commune the entire nation or state or county or city or town, that is tyranny. And if you recall, no one could leave the Soviet Union. That is what becomes of your communist society.

I can kick your ass indefinitely so keep it coming you liberal troll.

neocon much?

What are you talking about "in who's context." The context in which West was speaking of course.

West was talking about worker's rights. How is worker's rights different than individual rights?

Citation: "If people voluntarily choose to be in a communist society, what's the problem?" Do you not remember writing that? Go back and see for yourself becasue that is what this entire discussion is about.

Did the Russians (and other republics of the USSR) voluntarily choose a communist society? Or, did you forget there was a violent revolution?

I can kick your ass indefinitely so keep it coming you liberal troll.

Promoting the ideas of "liberty" with violence. Ron Paul doesn't need any enemies when he's got supporters like you. I've always said the militant Paulistinians would be his downfall. LOL.

The truth will set you free

In a libertarian society, there is no such thing as worker's rights. An employee's wage is a function of price discovery. If someone is willing to work for nothing in terrible working conditions, then that is their right. Individual liberty is the freedom to find another job or to work like a dog. You choose

This is how I know you're a liberal communist troll. If you were a libertarian, you would know this fundamental aspect of liberty.

The Bolshevik revolution is what paved the way for communism. Not all Russians agreed with the revolution. You prove my point. It was imposed by those who wanted it. Just as your "voluntary" communist society would do to all those who disagree. It is an impossibility for 100% of the people to volunteer for any system. This is why your arguments lacks even the slightest amount of intelligence.

It is not violence to kick your ass in an argument. It is violence if I were to physically kick your ass. This is consistent with the NAP.

Ron Paul went out on top. He has not been brought down by anyone.

Why don't you come clean as to what your political beliefs are. Are you a communist, a liberal, a socialist? Stop pretending to be something you are not... By using the philosophy of liberty to advance your communist agenda. The truth will set you free.

Liberty

It is liberty to have the freedom to walk away from a slave wage work environment if that is how one characterizes it. Others may not.

Thanks for posting this

Great interview!

That's nice

Good thing you checked to see if there were Identical Posts. So much courtesy.

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I didn't see the other post

until after I posted this, & the title wasn't that informative to make me think these were duplicates. I really wanted this to get as much viewings as possible.

I am sorry if I offended the other poster. It was not intentional.

That's alright

I've done it myself, and apologized,but after that,I always double check right before I post, using the "Latest Posts" link at the top of the Post link, I usually go about 8 hours back to insure that it wasn't posted or similar to what I'm posting.
It is a very good interview though and needs to be out there. Can't wait for "Ron Paul's America" to be fully broadcast.

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Great to hear them

having a good laugh together and an intelligent debate.

That was great

Well worth the listen. Thx!

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