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Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

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Update for those you are criticizing me over my language. I apologize for the error in the use of my language, but know that it is my intent that is important. I will continue pursuing my relationship with God so that I can strengthen my belief in love.
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It has been a day of celebration for me today. Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

I am sharing my story with you to invite you to join in the celebration of my wonderful gift!

I would very much like to share the wonderful news of God revealing himself to me as Jesus Christ! I have been right in my heart with God for a long time, but I have not been a Christian. I have long believed that I died and was reborn a long time ago. However, the message came from God directly and not through the absorbing the teachings of Christ. I didn't understand why God would need to send Christ, thus I never recognized him for Him.

I do believe that when it is said cometh through me, it means that the actual values I am describing did not exist prior to the occurrence of Christ. This was my misconception, because this value was naturally in my heart, and was not taught and was merely self evident, I assumed that prior to Jesus Christ this was the case.

I had heard the words of men “God through Christ” many times and denied them; this is because it is not the case! I am a skeptic of men! I trust no man! God has said to trust only him. And I have written the following and included statements made by Jesus as evidence. This is my testimony.

The problem was that I had not ever sought teachings of Christ words directly. They are nothing more than the truths that I already proclaim in my heart to be self-evident, that I would argue is the core of our libertarian philosophy----Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Love thy neighbor as thyself.

But we know so little of love that it was necessary for Jesus Christ to come and teach its meaning. I came to Christ through God, from internal reflection –dialogue with God- but I did not come to God through Christ. I was always with God, but the values of which I speak did not exist prior to Christ.

I've spent most of the day today reading the words of Jesus Christ, and sharing my testimony with those who are closest to me. It is cause for great celebration for I recognize him for Him!

John 6:44-45 - So Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. Nobody comes to me unless he is drawn to me by the Father who sent me, and I will raise him up when the last day comes. In the prophets it is written -'And they shall all be taught by God,' and this means that everybody who has heard the Father's voice and learned from him will come to me.

I see now that this message I received from God-- the teachings of Christ, had not been given to world until Christ. I understand that Christ was necessary to deliver the message of the true meaning of God's Law, which is unconditional love. Through this it has been revealed to me and I believe that Christ is the Lord.

We are the judge of no men! We have no jurisdiction over any man, and those who claim they do are evil. I cannot punish a man for anything- when I have no jurisdiction over him to begin with! This applies to murderers even, we must not be angry with them lest we be committing ourselves to stand his trial! We have been told to forgive all men, without condition. It does not matter the crime.

Matthew 6:14-15 - "For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures."

Matthew 5:21-22 - "You have heard that it was said to the people in the old days, 'You shall not murder', and anyone who does must stand his trial. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with his brother must stand his trial; anyone who contemptuously calls his brother a fool must face the supreme court; and anyone who looks on his brother as a lost soul is himself heading straight for the fire of destruction.

He taught us that the interpretation of Gods law is not found in the language but it is in the intent, he said it in a way that we could all understand it. He was explaining the law to them! But men are wicked and they do not see their greed and their false belief in jurisdiction keeps them blind for they do not know love.

We pray for the receipt of their grace—their gift! And we must be angry with no one! For we have no authority because we have no jurisdiction!

I did not see the source of this knowledge in the teachings of many who had claimed to come in the name of Jesus. But I see that is because many of these teachers were false teachers claiming to be Christians when they do not know the meaning. Do not know the message. They do not know Christ.

Matthew 7:22-23 - "In 'that day' many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we preach in your name, didn't we cast out devils in your name, and do many great things in your name?' Then I shall tell them plainly, 'I have never known you. Go away from me, you have worked on the side of evil!'"

It truly is the belief in unconditional love, and it is the moral baseline for all of the teaching of Christ.

The misconception that I personally attribute not coming to this conclusion is having heard a man say "you must go through Christ to get to God" but I knew this in my heart not to be and that is what I was challenging. I believe this is the meaning of what Jesus said was "through God you will come to Christ"

The distinction is significant because the meaning is that God is actively pursuing a relationship with man through the figure of Jesus Christ but if we don't recognize him as Him, then we are blind. And only the spirit can reveal that.

God has shown me and I have learned. Is that not how we know anything? We see and then we learn? Be careful of that which man hath shown you, because you may learn something that is not love. It is in our nature as man. Trust only in God and you will recognize that which is not love. This is the law.

The is affirmed most succinctly by Jesus in Luke 10:25-28. As Hillel wrote, all the rest is just commentary.

Luke 10:25 - Then one of the experts in the Law stood up to test him and said, "Master, what must I do to be sure of eternal life?"
Luke 10:26 - "What does the Law say and what has your reading taught you?" said Jesus.
Luke 10:27 - "The Law says, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind', and 'your neighbour as yourself'," he replied.
Luke 10:28 - "Quite right," said Jesus. "Do that and you will live."

I would like to add that the commentary is of importance because we know so little of the meaning of love. We must view the world from Gods point of view. Supporting words from Jesus:

Mark 10:5-9 - "Moses gave you that commandment," returned Jesus, "because you know so little of the meaning of love…..”

Mark 8:31-33 – “…. "Out of my way, Satan!" he said. "Peter, you are not looking at things from God's point of view, but from man's!"

I want to add is that this is not about religion or dogma. If it is not love then is breaking Gods commandment as Jesus warns about the dangers of tradition! The warning against dogma was clearly expressed, and it is analogous to those who take an oath and then blindly follow it and commit acts of violence in the name of their oath. Furthermore, he also warned against oaths. I present the following two verses as evidence.

Matthew 5:33-37 - "Again, you have heard that the people in the old days were told - 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord', but I say to you, don't use an oath at all. Don't swear by Heaven for it is God's throne, nor by the earth for it is his footstool, nor by Jerusalem for it is the city of the great king. No, and don't swear by your own head, for you cannot make a single hair - white or black! Whatever you have to say let your 'yes' be a plain 'yes' and your 'no' a plain 'no' - anything more than this has a taint of evil.

Matthew 15:3-9 - "Tell me," replied Jesus, "why do you break God's commandment through your tradition? For God said, 'Honour your father and your mother', and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death' . But you say that if a man tells his parents, 'Whatever use I might have been to you is now given to God', then he owes no further duty to his parents. And so your tradition empties the commandment of God of all its meaning. You hypocrites! Isaiah describes you beautifully when he said: 'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men'."

Further, I would like to leave with the following message about false religious teachers. The fruit in reference is to their students. Do their students love unconditionally? Do they claim to speak of their love unconditional yet cast accusations or pass judgment about the deeds of others? They have been taught falsely of their jurisdiction.

Matthew 7:15-20 - "Be on your guard against false religious teachers, who come to you dressed up as sheep but are really greedy wolves. You can tell them by their fruit. Do you pick a bunch of grapes from a thorn-bush or figs from a clump of thistles? Every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree is incapable of producing bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. The tree that fails to produce good fruit is cut down and burnt. So you may know men by their fruit."

My brothers and sisters, believe this, you need not worry! for those who claim jurisdiction over the earth are in contempt of its court, and if they do not recognize their contempt a judgment will surely be placed against them.

Written on 16th and 17th days of February 2013.



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Yuk... just threw up in my mouth a little when I saw this post..

If I posted a thread about evolution, you bible thumpers would get all bent out of shape. This isn't church, save your preaching for somewhere else.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Oh look, it's the thought

Oh look, it's the thought police, how sensitive you are when others don't follow your own personal worldview

don't like it, don't click

don't like it, don't click the link.. same thing I do for all you "atheists".. I don't comment on your posts..

Why quotation marks?

Are you implying that we're not really atheists, but just caling ourselves that?

as in: "Those co-called 'atheists'!"

Or do I simply miss your point altogether.What a shame, I usually find you to be quite cogent. (Oh please let the problem be me!)

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LOL Sierra...

I've never seen a thread on evolution that you didn't poke your 2 cents in more than once.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

And what would you say to the

And what would you say to the Doc after he told you this:

"My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don't speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate...

America became the greatest nation in human history because a dedicated band of Patriots believed their God-given rights were worth fighting for, even if it meant challenging the world's most powerful nation in what many deemed a "hopeless" cause...

Since I'm asking for your vote and your trust to lead this nation, let me tell you a little bit about my background and beliefs.

My parents raised my four brothers and me on a dairy near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they set clear examples for each of us about faith, honest living, and individual responsibility. Their Christian values helped inspire two of my brothers to eventually enter the ministry, and provided me with the foundation I needed to practice medicine and one day become a U.S. Representative.

In addition to my time in Congress, I am proud to have delivered over 4,000 babies as a country doctor in Texas. As I trained to practice medicine, I became convinced without a doubt that life begins at the moment of conception. I never performed an abortion, and I never once found an abortion necessary to save the life of the mother. In fact, I successfully helped women struggling with their pregnancies to seek other options, including adoption...

We must stand for life—not allow millions of innocent children to continue to be slaughtered with the government's approval.

We must follow the Biblical mandate of using honest weights and measures—not printing money out of thin air in almost complete secrecy and then handing it over to oppressive dictators.

We must only send our men and women to fight for our country when the mission is clear, every tool needed to win is provided, and we respect the Constitution by declaring war...

As President, I give you my word that I will only exercise my authority within the confines of the Constitution, and I will work every day to rein in a runaway federal government by binding it with the chains of that document."

Not much

I'd probably try to change the subject while I assure him that I respect him IN SPITE OF his Christianity.

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Too bad everyone on here

Too bad everyone on here can't respect each other "in spite of their beliefs" as you say. Instead, people feel the need to insult and belittle each other, even though we all have more in common with each other than anyone else "out there".

I think if people would reply to each other as if they are talking to Ron Paul the vibe of this place would improve exponentially.

I would love to

debate you on evolution vs creation. That would not make me bent out of shape one bit xD

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Yep...

we usually get nothing but scripture quotes as proof in these debates.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

So...

are we talking the Bible verses Scientific American or Popular Science magazines or something? Just not sure why Bible verses being used is a bad thing when the Bible is backed by historical fact and its the basis for a Christians belief in creationism. Nothing actually known in nature disproves the Bible as well. At their core foundations scientifically both the Biblical creation story and evolution are theories. The only physical evidence for 'proof' is the Bible.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

I believe that

I believe that every rational, well-educated, mature, sane adult would agree that you are mentally ill for believing in the equivalent of unicorns and fairies.

Please see professional help. I am as serious as a heart attack. You need help my friend.

Hey, don't you dare

mistreat me for unicorns and faeries. I am an artist and paint those for a living (practically speaking). I've never met you before yet I believe these words I see appear before me are from a living, breathing person and I'm sure even through your sarcastic nature you are a legitement and well intended person. However, if what you say is true I'm guessing you are not a cheerful leprechaun or at least your pot of gold is pretty barren...

Furthermore, God loves you no matter what you say. Your arguments are now completely useless. Once insults and naming calling ensues know that you lost the argument. I hope you have a better evening. Goodnight.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Yep...

just what I thought.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

What about...

a debate based on philosophy and moral law to posit the existence of God?

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

mhm...

... to me this implies that you have had a great many debates or one big one the outcome of which you did not like or agree with and do not want to repeat with someone who is knowledgeable. If you change your mind let me know. I would love nothing more than to try to expound on Christ's love for you. (my ultimate goal in those kinds of debates-not to run the other person into the ground).

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

This post is precisely the opposite

I read books on quantum physics and this post makes 100% sense to me. This is more about the resonance of the emotion of Love in a state of being present. No bible thumping closed minded nonsense here but rather the stuff bible thumpers avoid because it doesn't serve their religiously driven agendas.

You're right, this isn't church and neither is this post. It's simply about being a loving human being and treating others as you'd like to be treated which is why I'm choosing kinder words to express to you for your less kind reply.

At least read what you are replying to. You may be missing a bigger picture.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

No irony

In libertarians adopting THE government religion of empires for centuries?

It's like watching someone come in and talk about the genius of the new deal.

No train to Stockholm.

Again

Let me spell this out.

Has Christianity been abused by the State as an excuse? YES! So have Islam, Judaism and Confucianism.

Believe it or not, atheism has also been abused by empires - and those empires have killed far, far more people than the religious ones. That does not, however, mean that I have the right to accuse you of hypocrisy for posting your atheism on a liberty forum; unlike you, I am able to separate the individual believer or advocate from those who have abused a belief system.

In short - chill out, bro.

I wonder how many of the Christians on here would be upvoting

If every religion post was about Islam?

You hypocrite religious zealots are a real detriment to this website.

We're not here to bask in the glory and adulation of your indoctrination into a religious cult.

This is really disgusting to read, and I know you don't see why and I know why you think it's such a great message, but in reality you're just perpetuating a mythology because you want to be in the club.

Enough of this garbage.

No train to Stockholm.

Wow talk about knee-jerk

Wow talk about knee-jerk reaction. What's eating you that causes you to take this so very personally? There really seem to be personal underlying motivations to cause such anger. Either way i hope you can find happiness and peace in your life.

Maybe if

the founders of our country were islamic and not Christian or deist we would... Something you really really need to understand is that the whole idea of Liberty....foundation for being a libertarian and thus having a dailypaul.com to begin with...is a Christian belief. Ultimate Liberty is in Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

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Here's a hint:

Here's a hint:

find me where, on this website, and in a muslim or jewish or whatever thread, **I** had ANYWHERE CLOSE the same attitude as this BRILLIANT POSTER below:

http://www.dailypaul.com/274927#comment-2961694

Anyone can start searching NOW and I SINCERELY wish them BEST OF LUCK.

Now... let us take another example, SHALL WE?

As for "littlespy" - on debasing the Christian faith or the Bible in general - it's much easier : probably represents 90+ % of his/her posts.

FUNNY, isn't it?

What does THAT tell YOU?

Well, to me... that tells QUITE A BIT.

Ouch, right?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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LukeO

you really need a hug dude.

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

No, I need more downvotes

From the confirmation bias squad of christians who like that part of empire building.

No train to Stockholm.

Just for that

you're getting an upvote young man!

but seriously, you need a better understanding of the foundation of this movement.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

It's a credibility thing

If Ron Paul announced that the reason he knows so much about Austrian economics is because one day while walking through the forest, a Sasquatch sent him a telepathic message to go to a certain place where a spaceship beamed him up and he was carried away to another planet and given a crash course on Austrian economics, would that make you think less favorably of him? It would me. The same holds true with people who claim to believe in talking snakes and asses and Jewish zombies. You "Buy Bull Bangers" are either intentionally torpedoing the liberty movement of are pawns being manipulated into doing so. In either case, your participation in the liberty movement is doing it grave harm and your efforts are not appreciated. Please stop posting this childish crap. You are destroying the credibility of the movement and are annoying those of us older and wiser folks who have been at this since the early 1960s. We have come too far to see it all destroyed by superstitious nonsense.

I'm guessing you didn't see

I'm guessing you didn't see his speech at the value voters summit.

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mbennett

You sir need a hug

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

Also it is amazing Doctor

Also it is amazing Doctor Paul has stood on stage and preached the bible... it didn't manage to kill "The movement"