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Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

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Update for those you are criticizing me over my language. I apologize for the error in the use of my language, but know that it is my intent that is important. I will continue pursuing my relationship with God so that I can strengthen my belief in love.
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It has been a day of celebration for me today. Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

I am sharing my story with you to invite you to join in the celebration of my wonderful gift!

I would very much like to share the wonderful news of God revealing himself to me as Jesus Christ! I have been right in my heart with God for a long time, but I have not been a Christian. I have long believed that I died and was reborn a long time ago. However, the message came from God directly and not through the absorbing the teachings of Christ. I didn't understand why God would need to send Christ, thus I never recognized him for Him.

I do believe that when it is said cometh through me, it means that the actual values I am describing did not exist prior to the occurrence of Christ. This was my misconception, because this value was naturally in my heart, and was not taught and was merely self evident, I assumed that prior to Jesus Christ this was the case.

I had heard the words of men “God through Christ” many times and denied them; this is because it is not the case! I am a skeptic of men! I trust no man! God has said to trust only him. And I have written the following and included statements made by Jesus as evidence. This is my testimony.

The problem was that I had not ever sought teachings of Christ words directly. They are nothing more than the truths that I already proclaim in my heart to be self-evident, that I would argue is the core of our libertarian philosophy----Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Love thy neighbor as thyself.

But we know so little of love that it was necessary for Jesus Christ to come and teach its meaning. I came to Christ through God, from internal reflection –dialogue with God- but I did not come to God through Christ. I was always with God, but the values of which I speak did not exist prior to Christ.

I've spent most of the day today reading the words of Jesus Christ, and sharing my testimony with those who are closest to me. It is cause for great celebration for I recognize him for Him!

John 6:44-45 - So Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. Nobody comes to me unless he is drawn to me by the Father who sent me, and I will raise him up when the last day comes. In the prophets it is written -'And they shall all be taught by God,' and this means that everybody who has heard the Father's voice and learned from him will come to me.

I see now that this message I received from God-- the teachings of Christ, had not been given to world until Christ. I understand that Christ was necessary to deliver the message of the true meaning of God's Law, which is unconditional love. Through this it has been revealed to me and I believe that Christ is the Lord.

We are the judge of no men! We have no jurisdiction over any man, and those who claim they do are evil. I cannot punish a man for anything- when I have no jurisdiction over him to begin with! This applies to murderers even, we must not be angry with them lest we be committing ourselves to stand his trial! We have been told to forgive all men, without condition. It does not matter the crime.

Matthew 6:14-15 - "For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures."

Matthew 5:21-22 - "You have heard that it was said to the people in the old days, 'You shall not murder', and anyone who does must stand his trial. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with his brother must stand his trial; anyone who contemptuously calls his brother a fool must face the supreme court; and anyone who looks on his brother as a lost soul is himself heading straight for the fire of destruction.

He taught us that the interpretation of Gods law is not found in the language but it is in the intent, he said it in a way that we could all understand it. He was explaining the law to them! But men are wicked and they do not see their greed and their false belief in jurisdiction keeps them blind for they do not know love.

We pray for the receipt of their grace—their gift! And we must be angry with no one! For we have no authority because we have no jurisdiction!

I did not see the source of this knowledge in the teachings of many who had claimed to come in the name of Jesus. But I see that is because many of these teachers were false teachers claiming to be Christians when they do not know the meaning. Do not know the message. They do not know Christ.

Matthew 7:22-23 - "In 'that day' many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we preach in your name, didn't we cast out devils in your name, and do many great things in your name?' Then I shall tell them plainly, 'I have never known you. Go away from me, you have worked on the side of evil!'"

It truly is the belief in unconditional love, and it is the moral baseline for all of the teaching of Christ.

The misconception that I personally attribute not coming to this conclusion is having heard a man say "you must go through Christ to get to God" but I knew this in my heart not to be and that is what I was challenging. I believe this is the meaning of what Jesus said was "through God you will come to Christ"

The distinction is significant because the meaning is that God is actively pursuing a relationship with man through the figure of Jesus Christ but if we don't recognize him as Him, then we are blind. And only the spirit can reveal that.

God has shown me and I have learned. Is that not how we know anything? We see and then we learn? Be careful of that which man hath shown you, because you may learn something that is not love. It is in our nature as man. Trust only in God and you will recognize that which is not love. This is the law.

The is affirmed most succinctly by Jesus in Luke 10:25-28. As Hillel wrote, all the rest is just commentary.

Luke 10:25 - Then one of the experts in the Law stood up to test him and said, "Master, what must I do to be sure of eternal life?"
Luke 10:26 - "What does the Law say and what has your reading taught you?" said Jesus.
Luke 10:27 - "The Law says, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind', and 'your neighbour as yourself'," he replied.
Luke 10:28 - "Quite right," said Jesus. "Do that and you will live."

I would like to add that the commentary is of importance because we know so little of the meaning of love. We must view the world from Gods point of view. Supporting words from Jesus:

Mark 10:5-9 - "Moses gave you that commandment," returned Jesus, "because you know so little of the meaning of love…..”

Mark 8:31-33 – “…. "Out of my way, Satan!" he said. "Peter, you are not looking at things from God's point of view, but from man's!"

I want to add is that this is not about religion or dogma. If it is not love then is breaking Gods commandment as Jesus warns about the dangers of tradition! The warning against dogma was clearly expressed, and it is analogous to those who take an oath and then blindly follow it and commit acts of violence in the name of their oath. Furthermore, he also warned against oaths. I present the following two verses as evidence.

Matthew 5:33-37 - "Again, you have heard that the people in the old days were told - 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord', but I say to you, don't use an oath at all. Don't swear by Heaven for it is God's throne, nor by the earth for it is his footstool, nor by Jerusalem for it is the city of the great king. No, and don't swear by your own head, for you cannot make a single hair - white or black! Whatever you have to say let your 'yes' be a plain 'yes' and your 'no' a plain 'no' - anything more than this has a taint of evil.

Matthew 15:3-9 - "Tell me," replied Jesus, "why do you break God's commandment through your tradition? For God said, 'Honour your father and your mother', and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death' . But you say that if a man tells his parents, 'Whatever use I might have been to you is now given to God', then he owes no further duty to his parents. And so your tradition empties the commandment of God of all its meaning. You hypocrites! Isaiah describes you beautifully when he said: 'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men'."

Further, I would like to leave with the following message about false religious teachers. The fruit in reference is to their students. Do their students love unconditionally? Do they claim to speak of their love unconditional yet cast accusations or pass judgment about the deeds of others? They have been taught falsely of their jurisdiction.

Matthew 7:15-20 - "Be on your guard against false religious teachers, who come to you dressed up as sheep but are really greedy wolves. You can tell them by their fruit. Do you pick a bunch of grapes from a thorn-bush or figs from a clump of thistles? Every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree is incapable of producing bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. The tree that fails to produce good fruit is cut down and burnt. So you may know men by their fruit."

My brothers and sisters, believe this, you need not worry! for those who claim jurisdiction over the earth are in contempt of its court, and if they do not recognize their contempt a judgment will surely be placed against them.

Written on 16th and 17th days of February 2013.




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So let's see your calling in

So let's see your calling in life is to go onto blogs and threads and attack God and his believers... Do you intend to save the world? Why do you spend so much of your time dealing with something you don't believe in? Why don't you spend your time on something you do believe in? Non believers are sometimes very hard to figure.

Spirit of the antichrist

satan is ever fighting against God. What people like him do not realize, even in our government and struggles around the world, is that there is spiritual warfare behind the scenes. In this spiritual warfare they are used whether they know it or not to fight against God and us. People like him will be the first ones to give up his Christian family and/or friends to the government for execution.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

I know I see it daily. Evil

I know I see it daily. Evil attacks on the internet. The simple mention of God on most any comment sections brings attack. It's sad.

I would grant that you would

believe in the analogy you are trying to make about the Sasquatch before you believe in a loving all-powerful God. Do you think that an all-powerful God, granted there was one, could not make snakes and donkeys talk? Given God is real could he not make the dead walk and talk to you? There are greater mysteries than this. For example the immense complexity of your body, how it functions, your limitless brain (however much you strive to limit it). The dead CAN walk. Animals CAN talk. But we fail to realize our true potential that God has granted us even in the power of 1 single choice. To accept or reject Jesus. Thus, the outcome of our eternal salvation, is a much greater and important mystery of life.

What is your belief then, sorry to get so off topic, to why we are all here? Are you really that sure that it is all pointless? And, if so, why do you even care if people believe in God or a Sasquatch for that matter?

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Wow.

On the Daily Paul?

Charles Jackson
http://MathIsChristian.wordpress.com Also, read Ron Paul's original staff economist Gary North at http://teapartyeconomist.com/

Shocking, isn't it?

I mean, why on Earth would someone post about their conversion to Christianity on a forum dedicated to a Christian statesman? It's just so weird!

He's also white and texan

Should we come on here bragging about how great white people are because a guy we agree with is white?

He also served in the air force.... should we all brag about how the air force is the best branch of the military.

Drop the brainwashing cult garbage of religions and holy books. It's for your own bedroom and churches where you can be a crack pot and others won't judge you. Here you're in the free market of ideas, and inculcating yourself in this sword spread filth is not impressive.

No train to Stockholm.

Do you not see the irony of

Do you not see the irony of trying to censor and control what other people say while simultaneously trying to cast yourself as some sort of "pure" libertarian?

Read what you just wrote.

"Here you're in the free market of ideas," unless, of course, you had your way.

Free market of ideas means all ideas, not just yours. I'm simply noting that it's humorous how you get all upset over a Christian posting, even though Ron Paul himself is a Christian.

Also - "sword spread filth?" I could say precisely the same thing about atheism (with examples to back it up), and it would have precisely the same validity as the accusation coming from you: none. Just because an idea has been spread the wrong way does not mean that it is the wrong thing.

We're not hurting you or the liberty movement. We're your friends, not your enemies.

I wonder if all those who are putting

Christianity down to this person who posted this would say the same things to Dr. Paul? It doesn't seem very libertarian, does it?

excellent:

...and by all means...if you haven't done so already...take in as much of imprisoned creationist Kent Hovind's seminars and debates; they will EQUIP you to [1 Peter 3:15] ...sanctify the Lord God in your heart: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

http://www.arrivalofthefittest.com/csehovind.html

The lesson of Mars Hill, Acts Chapter 17, is preach the law to the Jews, and creation to the gentiles. Kent Hovind's seminar's ask: "how big is your God?" - and that is where this movement needs to go IMO.

Don't worship the man; just realize what HE has done in pleading with Christians, with a patriotic compassionate heart, that they are RESPONSIBLE for the knowledge they receive - and what they do with it!

God called you; He drew you to Himself - and - He will FINISH the good work He has begun in you. Ask Him for wisdom, knowledge, and understanding(from your prayer closet), and He will give it to you liberally, IN DUE SEASON, for His Romans 8:28 purposes!

This is a very mixed up "movement" we're in - stick with Him, and trust NOT in what man says he can do WITHOUT God in throwing off the "bands" that government has restrained us with...this battle is spiritual, not political, not secular, not man vs. man!

Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

God came in the flesh; the Creator...and dwelt among us...and He alone took upon Himself the whole wrath of Almighty God so that we mere sinners would NOT have to suffer that punishment which we deserve for breaking His binding laws upon us, His creation!

Agreed

and love that you know of Kent Hovind. I cannot wait until he is able to do his talks and debates and teach again.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Thank You for this Post

Satan will attack you with everything at his disposal. Be ready, prepare yourself and stand fast in the Truth of the Lord.

You are correct, I have seen

You are correct, I have seen the truth and I believe in Love. I must increase my faith! My belief in Love! That is God's Law!

you already see it on this

you already see it on this thread...

Start TAXING churches as businesses!!!

Start TAXING churches as businesses!!!

Let's not have a double standard here, one standard is plenty.

STOP taxing BUSINESSES

They are also houses of worship, for those of us who "worship" Mamman, right? After business taxes are down to zero, maybe THEN we can talk about taxing churches as businesses. Or maybe right away; by enlisting more victims of the state perhaps we'll mobilize meaningful resistance sooner.

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Christ

First-off, "Christ" is not an individual but a title. There have been many christs.

Secondly, there is significantly more evidence for Sasquatch than for a living creature Jesus Christ. Objective anthropologists, historians and archeologists agree that there is no credible evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed. Most bible stories in both the old and new testaments are amalgamations of much older "savior" and "sons of gods" stories from other cultures that were plagiarized by ignorant shepherds who also believed that the earth was flat and wrote portions of the old and new testaments. The gospel of Mark is the oldest rip-off work of the gospels and the other newer gospels drew heavily on Mark's gospel. If these folks were "divinely inspired" why did their god blow it so badly and get the "facts" so wrong and in conflict with each other? Jesus Christ could not have been crucified on both a tree and a cross. The gospels conflict as to what were Jesus' last words.

The Christian bible is full of inconsistencies and incongruities and therefore is not a reliable source of any information.

With any luck, you will get over it.

It is simply unreasonable to

It is simply unreasonable to deny the historical existence of Jesus. Evidence from a vast array of cultures and belief systems (even those ardently opposed to Christianity) attest to his physical existence. Now if you want to debate the truth of his claims, that's a different story. But to claim he didn't exist renders one generally "willingly ignorant" as another poster has mentioned. However, the great thing about freedom is that you are entitled to deny reality, and I'm entitled to withhold my respect. :)

It seems many of your claims come from such fact-void films as Zeitgeist which have thoroughly been exposed, and not personal research. (Zeitgeist makes some good points in the financial and political realm, but historically it wouldn't hold up in a high school debate club.) And if you're going to make claims that no one has been able to prove throughout history, you better be ready to back them up. If the Bible is so full of inconsistencies, surely listing 5 would not be so difficult? How about 3? ...2? Generally such alleged inconsistencies are quickly exposed as the ignorance of unlearned men, whom I hope you would have the discernment to avoid.

By the way, the cross was made of wood--wood that came from a tree.

Absolutely 100% untrue

The following statement made by you is 100% untrue.

"It is simply unreasonable to deny the historical existence of Jesus. Evidence from a vast array of cultures and belief systems (even those ardently opposed to Christianity) attest to his physical existence."

I too used to think that there was certainly a historical Jesus Christ even if I did not believe the magic story line. After years of research, I have found ZERO evidence of a historical Jesus Christ and changed my position. If someone comes forward with some credible evidence, I'll reevaluate my position.

As it stands now, there is ZERO evidence for a physical Jesus Christ. N O T H I N G was written about him at the supposed time of his existence, nothing. The earliest writings about him that are in existence today were written about three hundred years after his purported birth. If nothing had been written about the Pilgrims landing at Plymouth Rock, how reliable do you think the oral telling of it would be today? If Jesus Christ were as big of a mover and shaker as the bible claims, with the multitudes and the temple disruptions etc., surely someone would have taken note. The Romans were pretty good record keepers but there has NEVER been any credible writings attributed to anyone living 2000 or so years ago that even so much as mention Jesus Christ.

The burden of evidence rest on those who make the extraordinary claims. Faith does not cut it, just ask the relatives of the followers of Jim Jones and of the Heaven's Gate cult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/halebopp/hg/index.htm

Evidence is everything, anything else is a distraction from the truth.

You did not even look at those links

from wikipedia. methinks you not serious about your slant on this issue.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Have you read these?

Case for Christ, Lee Strobel
Evidence That Demands A Verdict, Josh McDowell

Case for Christ, written by an agnostic journalist who did the research you may be referencing.

Evidence That Demands..., a little dull, apparently, but reportedly full of information. Haven't read it myself.

It would be interesting to hear if you've read these and if you discount their findings, as well.

None of those books provide

Any evidence for the existence of Jesus. If they did they would have been peer reviewed, the people would be worldwide celebrities and the cult of Christians would be throwing parades.

No train to Stockholm.

No need for parades

when there are many many things to be done for Christ, His Kingdom and to better our world... In any case when someone comes to Christ as the OP has it is God who receives glory not us Christians. I suggest that you read the books he mentioned. You may have your faith in your secular/humanistic beliefs challenged.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Well said

I would be surprised if he could find 1 true discrepancy. Most are just taken out of context or interpretation issues between Bible versions (which is a HUGE debate off topic lol).

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

You should

You should try reading the Bible and then you would not have to take my word for it.

Everyday - God is good

everyday I read something from the Bible or go to this website to listen to a great message: oneplace.com

Please, show me the errors you have found. I would be more than happy to discuss them with you.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Ever consider...

That maybe most people who reject the bible do so because they read it?

Maybe you should think about that for more than the 10 seconds it takes to dismiss any thought that doesn't conform to your manufactured reality.

No train to Stockholm.

Most people

don't reject it because they have read it. Most reject it on the basis that is speaks of God and turning from your sins. Most people that reject it love their sin.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Generalize much?

Generalize much?