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Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

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Update for those you are criticizing me over my language. I apologize for the error in the use of my language, but know that it is my intent that is important. I will continue pursuing my relationship with God so that I can strengthen my belief in love.
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It has been a day of celebration for me today. Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

I am sharing my story with you to invite you to join in the celebration of my wonderful gift!

I would very much like to share the wonderful news of God revealing himself to me as Jesus Christ! I have been right in my heart with God for a long time, but I have not been a Christian. I have long believed that I died and was reborn a long time ago. However, the message came from God directly and not through the absorbing the teachings of Christ. I didn't understand why God would need to send Christ, thus I never recognized him for Him.

I do believe that when it is said cometh through me, it means that the actual values I am describing did not exist prior to the occurrence of Christ. This was my misconception, because this value was naturally in my heart, and was not taught and was merely self evident, I assumed that prior to Jesus Christ this was the case.

I had heard the words of men “God through Christ” many times and denied them; this is because it is not the case! I am a skeptic of men! I trust no man! God has said to trust only him. And I have written the following and included statements made by Jesus as evidence. This is my testimony.

The problem was that I had not ever sought teachings of Christ words directly. They are nothing more than the truths that I already proclaim in my heart to be self-evident, that I would argue is the core of our libertarian philosophy----Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Love thy neighbor as thyself.

But we know so little of love that it was necessary for Jesus Christ to come and teach its meaning. I came to Christ through God, from internal reflection –dialogue with God- but I did not come to God through Christ. I was always with God, but the values of which I speak did not exist prior to Christ.

I've spent most of the day today reading the words of Jesus Christ, and sharing my testimony with those who are closest to me. It is cause for great celebration for I recognize him for Him!

John 6:44-45 - So Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. Nobody comes to me unless he is drawn to me by the Father who sent me, and I will raise him up when the last day comes. In the prophets it is written -'And they shall all be taught by God,' and this means that everybody who has heard the Father's voice and learned from him will come to me.

I see now that this message I received from God-- the teachings of Christ, had not been given to world until Christ. I understand that Christ was necessary to deliver the message of the true meaning of God's Law, which is unconditional love. Through this it has been revealed to me and I believe that Christ is the Lord.

We are the judge of no men! We have no jurisdiction over any man, and those who claim they do are evil. I cannot punish a man for anything- when I have no jurisdiction over him to begin with! This applies to murderers even, we must not be angry with them lest we be committing ourselves to stand his trial! We have been told to forgive all men, without condition. It does not matter the crime.

Matthew 6:14-15 - "For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures."

Matthew 5:21-22 - "You have heard that it was said to the people in the old days, 'You shall not murder', and anyone who does must stand his trial. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with his brother must stand his trial; anyone who contemptuously calls his brother a fool must face the supreme court; and anyone who looks on his brother as a lost soul is himself heading straight for the fire of destruction.

He taught us that the interpretation of Gods law is not found in the language but it is in the intent, he said it in a way that we could all understand it. He was explaining the law to them! But men are wicked and they do not see their greed and their false belief in jurisdiction keeps them blind for they do not know love.

We pray for the receipt of their grace—their gift! And we must be angry with no one! For we have no authority because we have no jurisdiction!

I did not see the source of this knowledge in the teachings of many who had claimed to come in the name of Jesus. But I see that is because many of these teachers were false teachers claiming to be Christians when they do not know the meaning. Do not know the message. They do not know Christ.

Matthew 7:22-23 - "In 'that day' many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we preach in your name, didn't we cast out devils in your name, and do many great things in your name?' Then I shall tell them plainly, 'I have never known you. Go away from me, you have worked on the side of evil!'"

It truly is the belief in unconditional love, and it is the moral baseline for all of the teaching of Christ.

The misconception that I personally attribute not coming to this conclusion is having heard a man say "you must go through Christ to get to God" but I knew this in my heart not to be and that is what I was challenging. I believe this is the meaning of what Jesus said was "through God you will come to Christ"

The distinction is significant because the meaning is that God is actively pursuing a relationship with man through the figure of Jesus Christ but if we don't recognize him as Him, then we are blind. And only the spirit can reveal that.

God has shown me and I have learned. Is that not how we know anything? We see and then we learn? Be careful of that which man hath shown you, because you may learn something that is not love. It is in our nature as man. Trust only in God and you will recognize that which is not love. This is the law.

The is affirmed most succinctly by Jesus in Luke 10:25-28. As Hillel wrote, all the rest is just commentary.

Luke 10:25 - Then one of the experts in the Law stood up to test him and said, "Master, what must I do to be sure of eternal life?"
Luke 10:26 - "What does the Law say and what has your reading taught you?" said Jesus.
Luke 10:27 - "The Law says, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind', and 'your neighbour as yourself'," he replied.
Luke 10:28 - "Quite right," said Jesus. "Do that and you will live."

I would like to add that the commentary is of importance because we know so little of the meaning of love. We must view the world from Gods point of view. Supporting words from Jesus:

Mark 10:5-9 - "Moses gave you that commandment," returned Jesus, "because you know so little of the meaning of love…..”

Mark 8:31-33 – “…. "Out of my way, Satan!" he said. "Peter, you are not looking at things from God's point of view, but from man's!"

I want to add is that this is not about religion or dogma. If it is not love then is breaking Gods commandment as Jesus warns about the dangers of tradition! The warning against dogma was clearly expressed, and it is analogous to those who take an oath and then blindly follow it and commit acts of violence in the name of their oath. Furthermore, he also warned against oaths. I present the following two verses as evidence.

Matthew 5:33-37 - "Again, you have heard that the people in the old days were told - 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord', but I say to you, don't use an oath at all. Don't swear by Heaven for it is God's throne, nor by the earth for it is his footstool, nor by Jerusalem for it is the city of the great king. No, and don't swear by your own head, for you cannot make a single hair - white or black! Whatever you have to say let your 'yes' be a plain 'yes' and your 'no' a plain 'no' - anything more than this has a taint of evil.

Matthew 15:3-9 - "Tell me," replied Jesus, "why do you break God's commandment through your tradition? For God said, 'Honour your father and your mother', and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death' . But you say that if a man tells his parents, 'Whatever use I might have been to you is now given to God', then he owes no further duty to his parents. And so your tradition empties the commandment of God of all its meaning. You hypocrites! Isaiah describes you beautifully when he said: 'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men'."

Further, I would like to leave with the following message about false religious teachers. The fruit in reference is to their students. Do their students love unconditionally? Do they claim to speak of their love unconditional yet cast accusations or pass judgment about the deeds of others? They have been taught falsely of their jurisdiction.

Matthew 7:15-20 - "Be on your guard against false religious teachers, who come to you dressed up as sheep but are really greedy wolves. You can tell them by their fruit. Do you pick a bunch of grapes from a thorn-bush or figs from a clump of thistles? Every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree is incapable of producing bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. The tree that fails to produce good fruit is cut down and burnt. So you may know men by their fruit."

My brothers and sisters, believe this, you need not worry! for those who claim jurisdiction over the earth are in contempt of its court, and if they do not recognize their contempt a judgment will surely be placed against them.

Written on 16th and 17th days of February 2013.



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Cyril's picture

Thank you for showing your true face.

No, I didn't put words into your mouth.

YOU said Jesus was a lie, I only asked you - this was a polite request - to debunk the lie with tangible evidences from your own experience about what one CAN DO AND CAN SHOW, better than "that lie".

I guess you can't.

But you for sure could show your true face:

"Nice try jackass. Never said I was more richeous than anyone or that anyone should follow my views. Your pulling words out of your ass to incite an argument."

Now I know I have read enough from you after this.

Thank you !

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

No you asked me to stack up

No you asked me to stack up my personal life achievements with that of the mythical character jesus.

You can't even remember your own post when it's 1/4 screen up. LOL

I don't want to talk to a religious cook like you anyway. Peace.

Cyril's picture

Whatever you say.

I wrote:

"[...] your life achievements are greater than [...] 'the lie that is Jesus Christ'"

And now you say I wrote:

"[...] stack up [your] personal life achievements with that of the mythical character Jesus"

I didn't ask to compare yourself or your life to any "mythical" character. Or even a real one.

I asked you to give evidence from your experience as opposed to "the lie". I was talking about supposedly false information (about Jesus) that can be debunked by contrariwise facts from someone's experience.

And I am the one with short memory? I am the one putting words in others' mouths?

Okay. Really: AFAIC, it is WHATEVER you say, from this point on.

Keep calling people "jackass" and giving them lessons on arguments.

That will work.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I know it really sucks

when we can't get through to people like that... we just have to trust God will do what we can't and pray. You know they have no leg to stand on when they can't finish a conversation or debate and start name calling. The same happened when I tried to talk to him earlier today (I believe minus the name calling).

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

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Meh. I have no clue what some people are really up to

Meh. I have no clue what some people are really up to, beyond the gross arrogance and insolence they display.

Extrapolation:

If we were like them, we, as would-be pseudo-Christians, we'd be thoroughly chasing EVERY SINGLE FREAKING THREAD OR COMMENT where someone gives clues they are atheists or muslims or jews or whatever and start the libel against them.

That'd be wrong, I was taught.

But, otherwise, sure, that's "okay" for them to so conspicuously call Jesus or the Christian faith "A LIE" right out of the blue instead of just ignoring the thread and leaving it to Christian believers alike sharing kind words with each other.

I'd like someone to point me out if only one single positive and constructive comment this "littlespy" has ever made on this website, IF ANY - which didn't consist in an insulting debasement of someone else's opinion, with a special focus - OBSERVABLY - against the Christian faith.

I'd be VERY interested to see what I MUST have missed.

I suppose you got my point.

They despicably debase AND ridicule themselves and don't even realize it. Very sad and... WEIRD, especially on the Daily Paul.

But anyway, like I said: WHATEVER.

"Bear."

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Lol I agree totally

and how much more passionate would they be about Liberty if they truly understood it as a gift from God as our founders did. That is a huge oversight on their parts.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Praise God for you

Be prepared for the trials that lay ahead of you. When you come to Christ and an understanding of the truth the devil will attack with a full onslaught. You will obviously get some backlash from people here at dp who see liberty from a different perspective as well.

Keep reading the Word, praying and trusting in God. He is with you and will carry you when you don't see Him. Know that when you have troubles it shows that God loves you because He will use it to strengthen you and for His glory to be revealed when He brings you out of your struggles.

The Liberty movement needs more like you... those who understand the true meaning of Liberty which is ultimately found in Christ. Because, though we be delivered from wicked governments, etc., we will still need to be delivered from our own sins and foolish decisions. Only Christ can grant forgiveness and liberate us from ourselves.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Beautifully stated.

...there are some 'liberty-minded' folks on the DP who cannot help themselves but berate Christian DP members.

Stay focused on the Word and Truth -- the "unveiled reality," or the reality no matter how WE perceive it.

The True Meaning of Liberty

The individual who just recieved Christ seems confused about the meaning of liberty. He says we cannot judge or punish any man, even a murderer, because we have no jurisdiction over any man. What he's describing sounds like anarchy and the apostle Paul said, God forbid that grace is used so that sin may abound. Grace does not mean the absence of law or judgement. Grace means we cannot condemn the soul of another without being condemned ourselves. Judging a murderer's act as a violation of law and punishing him with a prison sentence is not the same as condemning his soul.

Christ is the head of the Body of Christ and we are the hands, feet, mouth, etc., so we are called to apply the law with compassion. But only God knows what is in someone's heart so only He can judge our eternal soul. For more on this subject check out the following comments:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2961524
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2960763

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I admit that

I hadn't read that far yet. I just have not had time. I'm in the middle of 42 hours of on-call at a busy hotel. I promise to finish it. If that is what he said I do not agree with that. We do have the authority, from what I understand, to judge other believers and hold them accountable to their actions and even Christ says to abide the law as long as it does not go against the law of God.

Thank you for the links.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

The Boondock Saints (Quotes)

(Monsignor): Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.

(Connor): [as the brothers exit the church] I do believe the monsignor's finally got the point.

(Murphy): Aye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9rohYh_-FM

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

Unfortunately liberty and

Unfortunately (or fortunately, I should say) liberty and dogma are antithetical to one another.

Atheists who think that a

Atheists who think that a belief in God is incompatible with liberty are ALMOST as annoying as Christians who think that God needs them to use the violence of the state in order to accomplish what they assume to be His will.

Annoying or not, a belief in

Annoying or not, a belief in "God" with a capital "G" is indeed incompatible with liberty. However a belief in "god" with a lower case "g" is not.

Unless the capital "G" God

Unless the capital "G" God you believe in is God.

A lowercase "g" god is just another creature.

And if the capital "G" God I believe in tells me that he doesn't need me to defend Him, why should it matter to you? It seems that you and I can live together in liberty just fine while I believe and you don't.

And here we are at dogma.

And here we are at dogma.

I find that atheists

are usually much more dogmatic in their humanistic beliefs during a conversation or debate. That is because the desire to choose one's self over someone whom he has not met is far greater. If you knew God you would understand, but until then your reason is clouded. All men need forgiveness because all men to wicked deeds and have sinned. To come to God we must be cleaned of our sin (which still does not make us perfect). When we accept Christ and His death for our sins we become righteous in God's eyes-not because of anything we have done or could possibly do-because of what He has done for us.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Call it dogmatic or whatever you wish. It is a personal relationship with the God who created the universe and His Son.

Only God through Christ offers forgiveness for sins. Not you, not your priest, but God.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Dogma is incompatible with

Dogma is incompatible with liberty, no matter what collectivist label can be applied to the person who has fallen victim to it (which obviously includes those who promulgate it).

Christianity is closer to the

Christianity is closer to the ideas of Mao than freedom.

Don't kill people.
Don't cheat on your wife.
Don't masturbate.
Don't eat fish on fridays during lent.

Christianity is just another control used by the elite class over peasants.

As you draw further away from God

you draw closer to yourself and your own selfishness. That is the state of our culture and our government which is very godless currently. That is the opposite of liberty. Liberty posits that you can be free and have a private life enjoying your own choices, but without infringing on others choices and lives. As we become more godless we take more from others just like our government is now. That is what we are trying to fight against. God is loving and very patient, but He will judge at the appropriate times.

If Christianity is not a means to control (catholicism is overall), but Atheism is just an excuse to not have to choose God and loving others over one's selfish sins.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

That's your opinion. Not

That's your opinion. Not based on any kind of fact, and don't go replying with quotes from the bible.

Phxarcher87's picture

Matthew 10

16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

Well-said :)

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Peace be with you.

To walk in faith is blessed.This year The written prayer of St Michael the Archangel by Pope LeoX11 will be needed.

Money talks and dogs bark

Congratulations and welcome

to the family. It will be a life of blessings and heartache, but oh so worth it. Good online sermons here: http://truthinliving.org/
A patriot church, even NON 501-c3 and full of Ron Paul supporters.

Man Created God.

Hey, as long as you brought up the subject, and put it in our face, then those of us who disagree with you have every right to challenge you on your mysticism.

None of us can say that you did or did not have a "conversation" with this god of yours, other than if this god does not exist, then you did not have a conversation. Rather, it was an internal dialogue, and one you would have never had if you weren't first influenced by others that such a thing were possible. If nobody had ever told you about Santa Claus, you would never dream up a conversation with The Jolly One on your own (because he does not exist).

All religions are very much alike because they are all based in astrology. Why did you choose this one over another one, such as Islam or Buddhism? Most likely, it was because other people influenced you to do so, and not because you objectively examined arguments in favor of and in opposition to other ideas and then arrived at your own conclusion.

If you really are in search of the truth, then I encourage you to examine the true origins of religion (astronomy and glorification of the Sun, which sustains life). I also encourage you to look objectively at how religion is used to control minds. Just start by looking at Islam, where people are the most controlled of any religion. The reason for that is because they never had the influence of the Age of Reason or the Enlightenment. There are no Thomas Jeffersons in Saudi history. Just dictators and mythical creatures.

While others, though they may have good intentions, will encourage you to continue down the path you are on, I encourage you to stop ... and take a look around ... and examine the premises of those who encourage religion ... and realize that religion is just an early attempt to explain the world around us, and then became a tool for control and oppression.

Good luck in your search for truth, if that is what you are REALLY after (though, I suspect your primary motive is conformity).

In any case, I will stand beside you in liberty, but there is no need to constantly bring religion into the discussion like so many in the liberty movement choose to do.

He's clearly not a mystic, as

He's clearly not a mystic, as mystics don't subscribe to dogma.

Phxarcher87's picture

Before you leave after condencendingly bash this man

you should share your interpretation of life.

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

He chose Jesus because Jesus

He chose Jesus because Jesus chose to reveal himself to him. I think he made that pretty clear. Buddah, Allah, or another god or prophet didn't, but through the spirit Christ did. It was an objective, albeit personal and spiritual, experience, if it was anything like my coming to know Christ.

He's not talking about a religion and a belief system, he is describing communion with the living God.