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Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

Update for those you are criticizing me over my language. I apologize for the error in the use of my language, but know that it is my intent that is important. I will continue pursuing my relationship with God so that I can strengthen my belief in love.
It has been a day of celebration for me today. Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

I am sharing my story with you to invite you to join in the celebration of my wonderful gift!

I would very much like to share the wonderful news of God revealing himself to me as Jesus Christ! I have been right in my heart with God for a long time, but I have not been a Christian. I have long believed that I died and was reborn a long time ago. However, the message came from God directly and not through the absorbing the teachings of Christ. I didn't understand why God would need to send Christ, thus I never recognized him for Him.

I do believe that when it is said cometh through me, it means that the actual values I am describing did not exist prior to the occurrence of Christ. This was my misconception, because this value was naturally in my heart, and was not taught and was merely self evident, I assumed that prior to Jesus Christ this was the case.

I had heard the words of men “God through Christ” many times and denied them; this is because it is not the case! I am a skeptic of men! I trust no man! God has said to trust only him. And I have written the following and included statements made by Jesus as evidence. This is my testimony.

The problem was that I had not ever sought teachings of Christ words directly. They are nothing more than the truths that I already proclaim in my heart to be self-evident, that I would argue is the core of our libertarian philosophy----Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Love thy neighbor as thyself.

But we know so little of love that it was necessary for Jesus Christ to come and teach its meaning. I came to Christ through God, from internal reflection –dialogue with God- but I did not come to God through Christ. I was always with God, but the values of which I speak did not exist prior to Christ.

I've spent most of the day today reading the words of Jesus Christ, and sharing my testimony with those who are closest to me. It is cause for great celebration for I recognize him for Him!

John 6:44-45 - So Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. Nobody comes to me unless he is drawn to me by the Father who sent me, and I will raise him up when the last day comes. In the prophets it is written -'And they shall all be taught by God,' and this means that everybody who has heard the Father's voice and learned from him will come to me.

I see now that this message I received from God-- the teachings of Christ, had not been given to world until Christ. I understand that Christ was necessary to deliver the message of the true meaning of God's Law, which is unconditional love. Through this it has been revealed to me and I believe that Christ is the Lord.

We are the judge of no men! We have no jurisdiction over any man, and those who claim they do are evil. I cannot punish a man for anything- when I have no jurisdiction over him to begin with! This applies to murderers even, we must not be angry with them lest we be committing ourselves to stand his trial! We have been told to forgive all men, without condition. It does not matter the crime.

Matthew 6:14-15 - "For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures."

Matthew 5:21-22 - "You have heard that it was said to the people in the old days, 'You shall not murder', and anyone who does must stand his trial. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with his brother must stand his trial; anyone who contemptuously calls his brother a fool must face the supreme court; and anyone who looks on his brother as a lost soul is himself heading straight for the fire of destruction.

He taught us that the interpretation of Gods law is not found in the language but it is in the intent, he said it in a way that we could all understand it. He was explaining the law to them! But men are wicked and they do not see their greed and their false belief in jurisdiction keeps them blind for they do not know love.

We pray for the receipt of their grace—their gift! And we must be angry with no one! For we have no authority because we have no jurisdiction!

I did not see the source of this knowledge in the teachings of many who had claimed to come in the name of Jesus. But I see that is because many of these teachers were false teachers claiming to be Christians when they do not know the meaning. Do not know the message. They do not know Christ.

Matthew 7:22-23 - "In 'that day' many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we preach in your name, didn't we cast out devils in your name, and do many great things in your name?' Then I shall tell them plainly, 'I have never known you. Go away from me, you have worked on the side of evil!'"

It truly is the belief in unconditional love, and it is the moral baseline for all of the teaching of Christ.

The misconception that I personally attribute not coming to this conclusion is having heard a man say "you must go through Christ to get to God" but I knew this in my heart not to be and that is what I was challenging. I believe this is the meaning of what Jesus said was "through God you will come to Christ"

The distinction is significant because the meaning is that God is actively pursuing a relationship with man through the figure of Jesus Christ but if we don't recognize him as Him, then we are blind. And only the spirit can reveal that.

God has shown me and I have learned. Is that not how we know anything? We see and then we learn? Be careful of that which man hath shown you, because you may learn something that is not love. It is in our nature as man. Trust only in God and you will recognize that which is not love. This is the law.

The is affirmed most succinctly by Jesus in Luke 10:25-28. As Hillel wrote, all the rest is just commentary.

Luke 10:25 - Then one of the experts in the Law stood up to test him and said, "Master, what must I do to be sure of eternal life?"
Luke 10:26 - "What does the Law say and what has your reading taught you?" said Jesus.
Luke 10:27 - "The Law says, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind', and 'your neighbour as yourself'," he replied.
Luke 10:28 - "Quite right," said Jesus. "Do that and you will live."

I would like to add that the commentary is of importance because we know so little of the meaning of love. We must view the world from Gods point of view. Supporting words from Jesus:

Mark 10:5-9 - "Moses gave you that commandment," returned Jesus, "because you know so little of the meaning of love…..”

Mark 8:31-33 – “…. "Out of my way, Satan!" he said. "Peter, you are not looking at things from God's point of view, but from man's!"

I want to add is that this is not about religion or dogma. If it is not love then is breaking Gods commandment as Jesus warns about the dangers of tradition! The warning against dogma was clearly expressed, and it is analogous to those who take an oath and then blindly follow it and commit acts of violence in the name of their oath. Furthermore, he also warned against oaths. I present the following two verses as evidence.

Matthew 5:33-37 - "Again, you have heard that the people in the old days were told - 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord', but I say to you, don't use an oath at all. Don't swear by Heaven for it is God's throne, nor by the earth for it is his footstool, nor by Jerusalem for it is the city of the great king. No, and don't swear by your own head, for you cannot make a single hair - white or black! Whatever you have to say let your 'yes' be a plain 'yes' and your 'no' a plain 'no' - anything more than this has a taint of evil.

Matthew 15:3-9 - "Tell me," replied Jesus, "why do you break God's commandment through your tradition? For God said, 'Honour your father and your mother', and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death' . But you say that if a man tells his parents, 'Whatever use I might have been to you is now given to God', then he owes no further duty to his parents. And so your tradition empties the commandment of God of all its meaning. You hypocrites! Isaiah describes you beautifully when he said: 'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men'."

Further, I would like to leave with the following message about false religious teachers. The fruit in reference is to their students. Do their students love unconditionally? Do they claim to speak of their love unconditional yet cast accusations or pass judgment about the deeds of others? They have been taught falsely of their jurisdiction.

Matthew 7:15-20 - "Be on your guard against false religious teachers, who come to you dressed up as sheep but are really greedy wolves. You can tell them by their fruit. Do you pick a bunch of grapes from a thorn-bush or figs from a clump of thistles? Every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree is incapable of producing bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. The tree that fails to produce good fruit is cut down and burnt. So you may know men by their fruit."

My brothers and sisters, believe this, you need not worry! for those who claim jurisdiction over the earth are in contempt of its court, and if they do not recognize their contempt a judgment will surely be placed against them.

Written on 16th and 17th days of February 2013.

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Everything is backwards

It's true, we live in a perverse world, i.e., evil is good and good is evil. But the Bible predicted this, including false teaching in the Christian church, so these events only validate what the Bible says. The proper response to an upside down world can be found in the following comment: (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference) (Fast and Furious hearing)

Welcome to the family

Just remember but for the grace of God we go. Its always better to err on the side of Mercy.

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Stand up For your Civil Rights

I don't think you need the pagan version

of Jesus to be saved, in fact I think your beliefs were correct before- the god does not need to come down as a human for you to know Him. But at the same time if you remove the Pagan filter of believing Jesus is actually the god you can still get closer to the god through Jesus by understanding that the message Jesus came with was the god's message- Jesus was a messenger and prophet of the god -through Jesus or any of the god's messengers you will come to know the god.

Welcome aboard.

Welcome aboard.

Grace and Law Coexist

I'm glad to hear this person has received Christ, but some of the interpetations need correcting.

Based on his interpetation of grace he said, "We are the judge of no men! We have no jurisdiction over any man, and those who say they do are evil. I cannot punish a man for anything-when I have no jurisdiction over him to begin with!" We are Gods vessels here on earth so if this were true, God would be an anarchist, and of course, He is not. We use the law to convict and incarcerate criminals who, while in prison, can choose to repent and by the grace of God receive forgiveness. And victims of crime who are Christian are called to forgive the criminal. Grace and law coexist in order to achieve a compassionate justice here on earth.

Christians are saved by grace through faith in Christ, but Christ also said not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law, the law shall be fulfilled. Also, the apostle Paul exercised judgement when rebuking false teaching in 1st century Christian churches. And anyone with children knows that teaching them right and wrong, and punishing wrong doing, is an essential part of being a good parent. Check out the following comment of false teaching.

A plan of action for moral people concerned with the direction of our country can be found at: (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference) (Fast and Furious hearing)

Amen and Congrats!!

Amen and Congrats!!

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32



Thanks so much for...

...sharing that! :) Very encouraging.

And to those below who grumble that this is 'off topic', consider this: true Liberty cannot stand without true Love as its foundation, so I believe somebody sharing how they discovered a source of true, unconditional Love in their heart is very much on topic. Liberty is dead without Love to drive it and uphold it.

I agree, actually :)

But neither is this Love: oh, you naughty child, you just smacked your brother on the head with your firetruck; but it's ok, come here and let me give you a big hug and let's go to the store and buy you some more toys.

If God = true Love, true Light as a metaphysical definition, then if you insist on shaking your fist at the Light and wandering away from it, you will find the outer darkness. True Love will not hide this reality from you.

I will differ with some of my fellow believers at this point. I believe that God NEVER gives up on anyone in the outer darkness, and will seek the most desparately lost sheep because His Love is unconditional. Others will say those are lost beyond hope. But I do read that Love 'never fails, always hopes' (I Cor 13).

Love will not sugarcoat and mask the reality that wandering away from that source of Love and Light will necessarily result in hate and darkness.

They will only be lost

by their choices. God will seek and save those that are lost and use all sorts of people and situation to make that happen. People give up on people, God does not, so I agree full-heartedley with you. Also, I love your analogy in that first paragraph :)

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

OOPS!! You Seem to have posted to the wrong website!

Where's your precious Jesus now? LOL

But seriously though, your post doesn't belong on this site unless it's in the "OFF-TOPIC" section.

or try going to ...

Our Founding Fathers

Used it to direct us on how to act and behave by choice, instead of forcing the state to regulate our lives by force.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Your point is illogical and not based on facts

while the fact remains...this belongs in off-topic.

jrd3820's picture

"while the fact remains...this belongs in off-topic."

Are you a mod?

Cyril's picture

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe, maybe not (a mod?)

But that's FOR SURE oh soooo very LOGICAL for some people to jump into a Christian faith thread, right out of the blue, and start debasing it, including by using the off-topic label, isn't it?

I think I'm going to start chasing those who give clues they are jews or muslims or agnostics or atheists or whatever and then start doing the same sort of libel, my turn...

Promises to be a lot of fun, no?

Oh, wait ! Strike that.

That'd be wrong. I'm a Christian. Can't do that. And I won't.

I hope Christians can still use sarcasm, right? Because I just did, to defend your point and this thread, which started peacefully, until...

Until... well...


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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I love when people around here tell other people what they can and cannot talk about, and where they are to post these things. Unless they are a mod, I don't really see how it is their business.

Until... well.... you're right. It was just a nice little story about someone finding faith and whether or not others believe in that faith (i don't even know exactly what I believe in personally) everyone has to rain on people's parades around here.

It's one thing to not agree with the guys religion and it's even fine to debate it, but to tell him he can't post it or should post it somewhere else is petty.

great point.

There is nothing to fear of faith unless it promotes violence or ignorance.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Faith **IS** ignorance, by it's very definition!



Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

belief - trust - confidence - credence - credit

Phxarcher87's picture

what is your faith?

i mean we all truly believe in something?

James Madison

im agnostic,believe science & the fact that I dont know it all

and i certainly Do Not believe in santa, jesus, fairies, satan, angels, demons, easter bunny etc...

A true agnostic

is open minded toward God. You are sounding more like an atheist based on your replies. Regardless, you are on either one side or the other. If you decided not to make a decision about Christ (which it seems you have and makes you not agnostic) its the same as making the decision of rejecting Christ.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Phxarcher87's picture

Im agnostic is a copout

What reasons do find life purposeful to live?

James Madison

jrd3820's picture

The Easter Bunny and Sanata

Hardly fall in the same realm of belief or non belief as Jesus or Satan.

Science and religion can coexist.

Phxarcher87's picture

Hard Science is not Scientific Theory

Hard science is hard science repeatable test in any part of the world. Now the theories about science seem to have become fact over time.

I remember snowboarding a couple years ago with an old friend of mine who holds his science very dear. We were sitting in a foot of powder strapping in to bomb the mountain and right before we launched i told him jokingly, " we have come along ways from swimming around in a pond with a little tail!" ended up being one of my best runs in life so far and i think this got his ball rolling faster about god.

This is my same friend who one day after stream fishing for trout was shaming christianity and in a round about way myself. We caught some fish and a big monsoon storm was rolling over us so we had to scurry out of the canyon and by the time we got to the top we were both out of breath and only speaking 5-6 word sentences. But i felt the the heavenly father was apon us in spirit. I feel my friend was so frustrated with what he was being presented with visually and spiritually I had to be the dog to kick. I know in his heart he didn't want to verbally attach me. Friends are to be there when its ugly too, not just for the good time.

Its a very staunch line and almost no bridge to the other side from a scientific based beliefe to God Creator belief. One thing we must always do is love even when its hard. If it is to come so be it God.

James Madison

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"Its a very staunch line andalmost no bridge to the other side "

I don't know if there is no bridge to the other side from science to God.

One of the more obvious arguments is that if I believed in God I could say that God created the Universe, but then if I also believed in science I could say life in the Universe evolved to the forms we find it in today. Isn't that science and religion coexisting?

One day you will know that

One day you will know that Jesus is God, and that Satan, angels and demons do exist. Unfortunetly when that day comes it may be to late for you.

Phxarcher87's picture

Way to have a stance on your way of life.

Dont let him push you around. Your principals are just as important as anything in this world.

James Madison

It's sad that no amount of proof will sway you.

You are a perfect example of someone that's brainwashed into believing something with ZERO proof.