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Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

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Update for those you are criticizing me over my language. I apologize for the error in the use of my language, but know that it is my intent that is important. I will continue pursuing my relationship with God so that I can strengthen my belief in love.
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It has been a day of celebration for me today. Today is the day that I have come to Christ.

I am sharing my story with you to invite you to join in the celebration of my wonderful gift!

I would very much like to share the wonderful news of God revealing himself to me as Jesus Christ! I have been right in my heart with God for a long time, but I have not been a Christian. I have long believed that I died and was reborn a long time ago. However, the message came from God directly and not through the absorbing the teachings of Christ. I didn't understand why God would need to send Christ, thus I never recognized him for Him.

I do believe that when it is said cometh through me, it means that the actual values I am describing did not exist prior to the occurrence of Christ. This was my misconception, because this value was naturally in my heart, and was not taught and was merely self evident, I assumed that prior to Jesus Christ this was the case.

I had heard the words of men “God through Christ” many times and denied them; this is because it is not the case! I am a skeptic of men! I trust no man! God has said to trust only him. And I have written the following and included statements made by Jesus as evidence. This is my testimony.

The problem was that I had not ever sought teachings of Christ words directly. They are nothing more than the truths that I already proclaim in my heart to be self-evident, that I would argue is the core of our libertarian philosophy----Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Love thy neighbor as thyself.

But we know so little of love that it was necessary for Jesus Christ to come and teach its meaning. I came to Christ through God, from internal reflection –dialogue with God- but I did not come to God through Christ. I was always with God, but the values of which I speak did not exist prior to Christ.

I've spent most of the day today reading the words of Jesus Christ, and sharing my testimony with those who are closest to me. It is cause for great celebration for I recognize him for Him!

John 6:44-45 - So Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. Nobody comes to me unless he is drawn to me by the Father who sent me, and I will raise him up when the last day comes. In the prophets it is written -'And they shall all be taught by God,' and this means that everybody who has heard the Father's voice and learned from him will come to me.

I see now that this message I received from God-- the teachings of Christ, had not been given to world until Christ. I understand that Christ was necessary to deliver the message of the true meaning of God's Law, which is unconditional love. Through this it has been revealed to me and I believe that Christ is the Lord.

We are the judge of no men! We have no jurisdiction over any man, and those who claim they do are evil. I cannot punish a man for anything- when I have no jurisdiction over him to begin with! This applies to murderers even, we must not be angry with them lest we be committing ourselves to stand his trial! We have been told to forgive all men, without condition. It does not matter the crime.

Matthew 6:14-15 - "For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures."

Matthew 5:21-22 - "You have heard that it was said to the people in the old days, 'You shall not murder', and anyone who does must stand his trial. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with his brother must stand his trial; anyone who contemptuously calls his brother a fool must face the supreme court; and anyone who looks on his brother as a lost soul is himself heading straight for the fire of destruction.

He taught us that the interpretation of Gods law is not found in the language but it is in the intent, he said it in a way that we could all understand it. He was explaining the law to them! But men are wicked and they do not see their greed and their false belief in jurisdiction keeps them blind for they do not know love.

We pray for the receipt of their grace—their gift! And we must be angry with no one! For we have no authority because we have no jurisdiction!

I did not see the source of this knowledge in the teachings of many who had claimed to come in the name of Jesus. But I see that is because many of these teachers were false teachers claiming to be Christians when they do not know the meaning. Do not know the message. They do not know Christ.

Matthew 7:22-23 - "In 'that day' many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we preach in your name, didn't we cast out devils in your name, and do many great things in your name?' Then I shall tell them plainly, 'I have never known you. Go away from me, you have worked on the side of evil!'"

It truly is the belief in unconditional love, and it is the moral baseline for all of the teaching of Christ.

The misconception that I personally attribute not coming to this conclusion is having heard a man say "you must go through Christ to get to God" but I knew this in my heart not to be and that is what I was challenging. I believe this is the meaning of what Jesus said was "through God you will come to Christ"

The distinction is significant because the meaning is that God is actively pursuing a relationship with man through the figure of Jesus Christ but if we don't recognize him as Him, then we are blind. And only the spirit can reveal that.

God has shown me and I have learned. Is that not how we know anything? We see and then we learn? Be careful of that which man hath shown you, because you may learn something that is not love. It is in our nature as man. Trust only in God and you will recognize that which is not love. This is the law.

The is affirmed most succinctly by Jesus in Luke 10:25-28. As Hillel wrote, all the rest is just commentary.

Luke 10:25 - Then one of the experts in the Law stood up to test him and said, "Master, what must I do to be sure of eternal life?"
Luke 10:26 - "What does the Law say and what has your reading taught you?" said Jesus.
Luke 10:27 - "The Law says, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind', and 'your neighbour as yourself'," he replied.
Luke 10:28 - "Quite right," said Jesus. "Do that and you will live."

I would like to add that the commentary is of importance because we know so little of the meaning of love. We must view the world from Gods point of view. Supporting words from Jesus:

Mark 10:5-9 - "Moses gave you that commandment," returned Jesus, "because you know so little of the meaning of love…..”

Mark 8:31-33 – “…. "Out of my way, Satan!" he said. "Peter, you are not looking at things from God's point of view, but from man's!"

I want to add is that this is not about religion or dogma. If it is not love then is breaking Gods commandment as Jesus warns about the dangers of tradition! The warning against dogma was clearly expressed, and it is analogous to those who take an oath and then blindly follow it and commit acts of violence in the name of their oath. Furthermore, he also warned against oaths. I present the following two verses as evidence.

Matthew 5:33-37 - "Again, you have heard that the people in the old days were told - 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord', but I say to you, don't use an oath at all. Don't swear by Heaven for it is God's throne, nor by the earth for it is his footstool, nor by Jerusalem for it is the city of the great king. No, and don't swear by your own head, for you cannot make a single hair - white or black! Whatever you have to say let your 'yes' be a plain 'yes' and your 'no' a plain 'no' - anything more than this has a taint of evil.

Matthew 15:3-9 - "Tell me," replied Jesus, "why do you break God's commandment through your tradition? For God said, 'Honour your father and your mother', and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death' . But you say that if a man tells his parents, 'Whatever use I might have been to you is now given to God', then he owes no further duty to his parents. And so your tradition empties the commandment of God of all its meaning. You hypocrites! Isaiah describes you beautifully when he said: 'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men'."

Further, I would like to leave with the following message about false religious teachers. The fruit in reference is to their students. Do their students love unconditionally? Do they claim to speak of their love unconditional yet cast accusations or pass judgment about the deeds of others? They have been taught falsely of their jurisdiction.

Matthew 7:15-20 - "Be on your guard against false religious teachers, who come to you dressed up as sheep but are really greedy wolves. You can tell them by their fruit. Do you pick a bunch of grapes from a thorn-bush or figs from a clump of thistles? Every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree is incapable of producing bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. The tree that fails to produce good fruit is cut down and burnt. So you may know men by their fruit."

My brothers and sisters, believe this, you need not worry! for those who claim jurisdiction over the earth are in contempt of its court, and if they do not recognize their contempt a judgment will surely be placed against them.

Written on 16th and 17th days of February 2013.




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Proof has swayed me to Christ

you have to be willingly ignorant to look at everything in your day to day life and deny that God exists. You have to be willingly ignorant to have ANY understanding of history and to deny that Jesus was a real person. God will hold you accountable and without excuse. One day your knee will bow to Him and in that day if you have not believed in Christ for salvation it will be too late for you.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Whatever, dude.

Whatever, dude.

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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Congratulations

May your decision bring you happiness and fulfillment.

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Maybe you are just sensitive

and need to go play in the mud for a day or two and man up a little bit.

n psychology, cognitive dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort[1] experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time.

LOL!! I'm being sarcastic and don't need to "man up"

You christionists like to say the exact same thing whenever anyone posts a thread that doesn't show "christianity" in a good light.

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You are like a hemorrhoid

I hope in time this will change

n psychology, cognitive dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort[1] experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time.

You don't have to believe

to benefit from the ways and teachings of Jesus.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

More than a teacher

to truly benefit from Christ, his teachings and example you have to understand His purpose. He was sent to save mankind and be the truest example of love and forgiveness. To fully benefit you must believe.

John 3:16-17
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

I won't disagree

I am using it as a way to encourage the study of Jesus.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

May you be richly blessed

I rejected Christianity, long ago. Tossed out "the baby" with the bathwater. Over the years, what I call "Christ Consciousness" began to creep into my head. I do NOT think I am Jesus. I DO think we are all called to "follow me" as in, "try to do what I did."
I am no miracle worker, but I have devoted my life to testifying to the truth and teaching aquaponics so the poor may be well fed.
I still will not call myself "Christian." The churches have a history of their own, and I have never found a church that taught the "followers" to stop following and let the "Christ within" be their only leader.
So, I have Christians who tell me to my face that I CAN NOT be a moral person or a Patriot (yes, to my face by a speaker at an event that I helped put on...) And I have atheists who accuse me of believing in myths. I just don't care. My task in this world is to be the best me I can manage, and NO ONE on this earth is in a position to judge me, they cannot see my heart. They may judge my actions, but only my Creator is in a position to judge my soul.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Thanks!

I am not only happy for you, but your read made me happy. Thank you.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Good for you

I have found that the best common ground in America about this subject is the 1st amendment. I believe in God, but I don't believe in churches or messiahs. My beliefs require NOTHING from you. But everyone else beliefs seem to require something from me. It turns into a clash of egos, and it pisses me off. Then people turn religion into some sort of arbitrary method of passing judgement. But since no man alive today is perfect, then how can he stand in judgement of anyone? Isn't that God's job anyway?

I don't mind playing a game of baseball with the Jesus freaks, but still..stop turning this into an oppressive standard. Its just another way of imposing conformity.

If you don't like what I have to say, then maybe it would be easier for you to assume that God created people like me to keep the Jesus freaks and bible thumpers on their toes, and maybe once in a while, call you out on your own bullshit.

Today??

Seems very well prepared and thought out for a sudden event. Me thinks you are fibbing a tiny bit for dramatic effect.

Oh well...Congrats. I'm glad you are happy.

I hope this doesn't mean you are now all for Obama killing little Muslim children.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

obama is a muslim.

obama is a muslim.

Perhaps

Don't know about that, nor do I care.

But, it is a Christian genocide either way. No escaping that.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Yulp...

sadly true... But afterwards we have Christ's Kingdom to look forward to! :)

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

hehehe

I was thinking the same thing about Muslim children getting vaporized. Only I thought it was like one of those chain emails - cut and pasted.

I'm glad the poster has found peace.

Seek and ye shall find...

Congrats! I just finished reading a book called the "Jesus Manifesto" that you might want to check out.

check this out

tricitiesgracequest.org

Gold. Guns. Girls.

Congrats

I've got a long story with wrestling with this myself. Life changing experience for sure. Happy for you my brother. Hope this article doesn't get down voted for being faith related.

Today is the day I remain open to persuasion.

Come on, Josh, convince me that I'll live forever. That would be awesome! What a comfort that must be.

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Christ offers hope

no matter what life brings what what happens in eternity those who are truly believing in Christ experience joy and peace that passes beyond understanding. There is no worry about this crud going on in the world just a desire to better things especially through the liberty movement. When you trust in God and know he's in control what's to worry about? Liberty is ultimately found in Christ. Only God, through Jesus, offers forgiveness of sins and helps us not be in bondage to ourselves. I pray God reveals Himself to you and fills you with His amazing love, hope and peace even today.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

V1G1L4NT one:

My comrade, my friend.
I thank you for the kind wishes.
If only faith were volitional I would surely believe in deathlessness. All I ever wanted was to live forever and experience infinite pleasure. Alas, I'm not hooked up that way; I can no more believe in the goodness and grace of Yahwe than I would thank Lucifer, Bearer of Light, First Among Angels, for Shedding Reason over the Garden of Ignorance and Leading Mankind into a Land of Reason and Liberty.

Would if I could, though. Again, that would be swell!

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https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

Well than if you would

always keep an open mind to the Lord. He says that if you seek (Him) you will find. And I will pray He reveals Himself to you.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

A Great Way to Start a Sunday

There's one way out of the mess of planet earth and that is by receiving the free gift of salvation that Jesus Christ affords. All of human history BC led up to his first coming and the AD section leads to his second coming.

Now that you finally possess LOVE,

will you condemn Libertarian muslims, Buddhists and Atheists to hell as the Lord himself has done?

And by the way, can you ask the King of Love how much time our Libertarian movement has for a political action before the kingdom of heaven replaces the world.

Judge not.

It may help you to read the OT vs. the New. The Lord does not want us to condemn anyone.

Liberty_First...passive aggressive sarcasm next.

I know

The love between religious and socialists, GOP and DEM is hidden but there. Christians indirectly agree that capitalism is selfish and socialism is noble. They argue about god and practicality, not the goal or methods. Morality is the same - sacrificing an individual man to an abstract entity universal neighbor, common good, society.

When you relinquish judgment, you relinquish your reason and your mind. Blind beliefs and warm fuzzy feeling in your heart become the guidance. No wonder capitalism was lost.

I'll deal with you

in more precise detail later, when I have the time. For now, suffice to say, you clearly don't have even the vaguest understanding of how our understanding of liberty came to be.

Look at world history. Early America - and its government - was heavily influenced by Christianity. England, where the foundations came from, was Christian. On the other hand, the various Communist regimes were violently atheistic.

Take from that anecdote what you will.