About That David Duke Video
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:16There was some discussion among the mods about the David Duke video that was recently posted here. During the presidential campaigns, we had a strict rule that David Duke videos weren't allowed here. Ron Paul has his own image problems with racism, so we didn't want to exacerbate this with guilt by association.
But now that the campaigns are over, and this is no longer explicitly a "Ron Paul" site, the question is what to do with such videos. As I've said before, I believe that the way to achieve a free society is to act like you live in one, then what is the principle on which we should unpublish David Duke videos?
Duke begins his video with a quote from Voltare: "To learn who rules over you, find out who you can't criticize."
But should the video be unpublished simply because David Duke is a past Grand Wizard of the KKK?
Are the moderators here to serve as thought gatekeepers for what kind of material others are exposed to? What I learned from some of the comments in response to my previous threads questioning the value of the DP, is that the discussion itself is what matters. The post is really just a starting point. Watching and participating in the discussion is where the real learning takes place.
There is a disclaimer above every post that reads:
Content on the Daily Paul is the opinion of the original poster, not necessarily of the Daily Paul, its owner, moderators.
This should be clear enough. We don't condone everything on this site. The message is the discussion.
But how far should we go to censor content? After all, I don't want porn videos on the site, or spam. At the same time, we don't have the time, resources or energy to approve every single post or comment. If you find a consistent problem with a user, you can always do a personal block of that user.
So here is the genesis of a rule as far as David Duke & similar videos goes: To the extent that a thread leads to, or at least has the potential to lead to valuable discussion, then moderators aren't going to take it down. This leads to some silly stuff being posted. But if the silly stuff doesn't get any play, eventually it will stop being posted. In theory, at least.
We're a very diverse crowd here. One man's tonic is another man's poison. But tolerance is the substrate of Liberty. And that is one lesson that we could all do well to learn, and put into practice.
Your thoughts are appreciated.
p.s. sorry for any typos / lapses in logic. It is early, I've got something else to get to, and this is a first draft, subject to revision based on further thought. Including yours. Thank you.
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agreed.
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it is published
elsewhere...no need to post it here
Joe Corrao
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joe@4eyedanimation.com
It is published in not nearly enough places.
The more politically incorrect, the more likely to be true.
i want the documents! I have
i want the documents! I have the Documents! I know their plans!
lawrence
How about posting some Romney videos? (kidding)
Hey, many times in Romney's campaign he said things that sound like liberty. Why doesn't he get equal time?
I'm sure (sarcasm) the readers will understand we're just supporting that one video and not his whole sorry mess of contradictory flip flops. People will understand.
We should also look and see if Hitler has a video about rescuing kittens from the animal shelter. Great message, I'm sure (sarcasm) people will understand that when others paint our efforts as supporting Hitler, the masses will understand and come to our defense.
Prepare to jump ship! The captain wants a vacation, and having tossed the rudder into the sea, is interested to see where the wind and waves might take us.
For the record, this is not the same site I originally associated my good name with.
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In sales, people will often lie. I feel prone to prove
What i am saying is true. I sometimes do this, based on lies that may be commonly used in selling products. I'm just to conscious to people who say what it takes to sell something. The bedding industry these days is one of the most deceptive industries that exist in America. TV repair shops are pretty bad also. Mattresses that are 1 sided, DO NOT LAST AS LONG AS MATTRESSES THAT HAVE TWO USABLE SURFACES.
Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.
facts
david duke has some very informative videos and are clearly and plainly presented to the viewer ,
you take what you want from his information
tavis smiley is on npr and has a heavily propagandized format that he presents to his braindead viewers,
night and day difference.
but clearly david duke is the rascist(sarcasm implied)
down with zionism!
"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL
controversial discussion vs take over
My two cents:
#1: This is your website. Freedom of association is also an important principle. You have a right to prevent using this site to spread propaganda. (Also, maybe, use by enemies putting up offensive posts to discredit you or just flood out the good with the bad.).
#2: PC is one of the things that kills honest discussion. So even a video by David Duke may be of value. People have been so brainwashed, as they wake up, maybe they are revisiting many subjects that are taboo in the MSM. Maybe it is better to have some discussions in the open.
#3: Down vote system helps to show that people in general are not buying an argument.
(PS)Reading down below: some one had an idea for a "Enter at your own risk" area,. For things that really controversial with you retaining veto power for the insane or ill-willed.
Vickie
I agree.
There remains that risk of those who would post things here trying to give the DP a bad name; but with those owning/controlling the site having the right to use their discretion, and with more than enough members to express indignation via comments and votes... in general, I'd like to see the DP err on the side of free discussion.
It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation
Michael as I see it.. In a perfect world we'd just all accept that we should be tolerant of other peoples views.
This isn't a perfect world though and people post things like that TO tie us to it. They know that people react emotionally to it. They count on it.
So which is it.. Form a tight nit group at the risk of being called isolationists, hypocrites about Liberty, thought police or the risk of being branded a website/people that promote racism. You know they'll try.
I personally think that's why the post was made.. I also am seeing a pattern of "kooky" videos without a shred of proof being posted as well.
The right thing to do? I'm going to spend my time protecting Liberty as I see fit. It should be enough that we could come together in an individualistically arrived at consensus about Liberty and "downvote" or comment in such a way as to show our dislike for it, as others promote it as goodness.. but in the real world.. people don't have the energy or inclination to fight when they see trickery being done nor have the foresight to see when it's happening.
Should we ban videos like that? The truth is.. no but it will have consequences. Expect that.
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
Well, I can honestly say
that your personal thinking is incorrect. When I posted that video, I did it because I felt the message was worth it. I expected to be labeled a racist, but realize that I also posted about Desmond Tutu, not that I totally agree with him, but rather I agreed with what his letter stated. I'll listen or read anything about everything, hopefully gleaning some truth from every source. I had no intention of harming the DP, where I come daily. This is in no way defending myself, because I have no reason to, but rather an effort to correct your thinking, my friend.
I haven't seen any posts labeling you a racist
...I've seen several calling out DD as a racist based on his own choice to affiliate himself with Storm Front and the KKK. No one has to label him because he put a big fat label on himself and never expressed a change in attitude. I agree with him 100% as far as using Israel as an excuse to wage aggressive foreign policy, but because of his other past (and probably present) views on race, it just isn't smart to promote his video here. It's been proven that the KKK is populated with Feds and I wouldn't be surprised if DD himself is a federal agent being used to discredit any and all anti-establishment groups by promoting some of the same viewpoints. Same with that Storm Front guy who donated to RP's campaign -- the media used that to smear RP for several months like a freakin' broken record...I'd never even heard of the guy and I'm pretty sure the idiot talking heads hadn't either, so someone (probably himself) leaked it.
We don't need David Dukes help promoting our foreign policy views or any other views he might coincidentally share with us. RP himself, among many others (Tom Woods, Lew Rockwell, Judge Nap, Peter Schiff, etc) do it better and without the baggage.
hello Missy
Read the comment above yours, 3rd and 4th paragraphs, and it is insinuated that this post was posted by a racist.
The problem with the people you named, all of whom I admire, is that they don't always say it all.
I also didn't mean to infer that we needed DD's help with our movement, rather I simply provided a link so that people could, if they wanted to, listen to truth from another angle.
Honest people rarely feel the need to preface
their words with "I can honestly say" or the variations of.
Patriot Cell #345,168
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
Due to there being so many lies, I feel prone to prove
What i am saying is true. I sometimes do this, based on lies that may be commonly used in selling products. I'm just too conscious to people who say what it takes to sell something. The bedding industry these days is one of the most deceptive industries that exist in America. TV repair shops are pretty bad also. Mattresses that are 1 sided, DO NOT LAST AS LONG AS MATTRESSES THAT HAVE TWO USABLE SURFACES.
Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.
If that silly comment is the best yor mind
could develop, then I see no need to explain, as your ability to discern is tragically impaired. Have a good day, sir.
did the guy acost you in anyway?
I thought this was a discussion.....Why are the people so passionate about defending DD the first to mock people? You argue that the post was for the sake of dialogue. Well that's what people are doing. Did you not expect some blow back when posting videos by controversial people? If so, well maybe you need to evaluate your own mind's development.
btw: yor?.......you may want to edit. Just seems silly to mock someone's intellect while misspelling a common word at the same time.
Just an FYI
Blowback is fine (check post title)
What I didn't appreciate was his questioning my honesty based soley on my phraseology, because he had no other argument. Oh, and thanks for the spellchecking. lol
i gotcha
I have to hand it to you. You got a lot of people talking.
Really man,
I didn't expect this. No hatred here, just that I thought he make some good points in what he said. It was not about DD. Thanks man.
i am glad that you did post
even though I got a lot of down votes on my comments. It was a good discussion. I agree, DD did make some good points.
Thanks again, and
sometimes I think downvotes are a good thing. At least you know someone is reading, or even better, thinking.
"btw: yor?.......you may want to edit. Just seems silly to mock
someone's intellect while misspelling a common word at the same time."
Yeah I saw that too.. so many smiles, so little time. :)
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
see above, my friend
Glad I wuz abel ta make yu smile. lol
We're not friends...
That's another red flag to me.. Someone trying to endear themselves to me in a conversation, when they don't know me.
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
Red flags everywhere,
Seek treatment, my friend.(sarc)
race--
*sigh*
This is the first time I have listened to this person--
I don't like it when people collectivize--
racism is just collectivism--
but it's as dangerous as any other kind of collectivism--
So, I'm listening to this person now--
I don't know what to say--
I don't have an easy answer--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
This is the first I've heard of the prohibition against Duke.
And to be honest it seems more than a little hypocritical that his opinions have been banned. Would it be alright for him to post here if he used a fake screen name like most everyone else here? This really makes me question your integrity. Especially since this is one of the biggest Jew bashing sites I know of. David Duke has a lot of truth and I am ashamed that this site has muzzled him for the sake of appeasing a few who can't take that truth. If you start banning peoples opinions because they mix untruth in their opinions then you might as well ban everyone here except me of course.
Just goes to show that this site is just like the main stream more than we know since truth is only tolerated as long as it sits well with so called minorities. And I'm not talking about Jews.
Would it be hypocritical if I came to your house,
started spouting racists things and you asked me to leave?
Although it might "seem" that way to some.. it is HIS website.. What's hypocritical is people IGNORING THAT then calling his actions so.
Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.
Your comparison is absolutely false.
Make a legitimate argument or shut up. This site is rife with anti Jewish rhetoric so you will have to do better than that. Unless you are talking about racist statements about blacks in which case I would have to ask you to point out the racist things that Duke has spouted.
Again I say that it IS HYPOCRITICAL to ban Duke for comments about Jews when this site is filled with anti Jew propaganda. It is also Hypocritical to ban someone for racist remarks against Jews but allow people to link to racist remarks about "whitey", "rag heads" etc...
I don't think it is the falsehood or lies that Duke says that is the problem. I think it is the hard truth which he hits on at times that certain people don't like that is the problem.