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Where should you live during the coming global financial collapse?

This six-minute video does a decent job outlining considerations you should have in finding a relatively safe location. However, it confines itself to the United States and, in my opinion, does not adequately take into account the impact of urban flight in the case of infrastructure failure, including truck deliveries.

Its conclusion, Jackson County FL, based on rainfall, population, % of population on food stamps, incidence of hurricane, tornado and flood damage, agricultural production, and winter temperatures, is probably not far enough from the population centers of Tallahassee, Columbus, Montgomery, and Pensacola, not to mention closer coastal areas in event of Hurricane devastation. A trade-off in favor of further distance from migration sources would be my recommendation.

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With the Fed

printing 85 billion a month to buy back worthless paper, the stock market zooming to new heights based on the money printing, it isn't a good thing.

Who ever heard of devaluing a currency in order to achieve prosperity? It takes little effort to stock up on food and water to be prepared for the collapse of the federal reserve note.

Seriously?

If you want security, a food source and water source, go to Hawaii or Alaska.

If there was a total socio-economic meltdown the mainland U.S. would be a bloodbath.

Buy a boat...fish, trap. If you are in Alaska you can *gasp* use firewood for heating.

Besides, if there is a collapse you can bet the US military gonna come in and commandeer your farm for 'national security' to feed their troops while your family gets squat. FEMA probably would love to take that farm too.

It's a tougher life living in the north country, not for everyone. But Alaska would do very well in a global meltdown.

And if you ain't got the skill to bait a hook you ain't gonna survive the meltdown anyways, so no worries.

Well, that's kind of depressing

... if you take his analysis at face value.

Using datasets on weather, he eliminates 99.9999 percent of the country lol.

Great.

This entirely ignores the fact that they definitely have 'contingency plans' for every area of the country - including the tiny little slices he plots out. This means every rural area. (see recent Executive Orders on rural America for one)

I'm sure they have scenarios mapped out where they will use infrared on copters and drones to ferret out anyone who thinks they can get away with unplugging and riding things out.

This is not to say it shouldn't be done. Quite the contrary.

But doing the best you can also includes using indoor hydroponics and aquaculture for food, using wood / solar for heat and power etc.

Then crossing your fingers that when the SHTF that things do not degenerate to the point where they are putting those contingency plans into action. Things might. They might not. But...

imo if you are not willing to accept that possibility - that there is basically nowhere to run - your best bet is to bite the bullet and emigrate. Just leave entirely (I'm hearing some places in South America might be a best bet)

George W. Bush allegedly bought a huge ranch in Paraguay.

Maybe he knows what's coming...

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

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Well... Q.E.D.

Well...

Q.E.D.

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DITTO.

DITTO.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Joel is a good guy--

he is wise and calm--

but don't take anyone else's advice.

We deliberately chose a less populated area that is VERY cold and has free firewood--

where gardens produce well in the summer--

and where nobody looks at you twice if you store food/preserve food or grow a garden or hang clothes out--

but I wouldn't tell anyone where I am. Going without utilities can happen anymore; having storms can happen anywhere--

there is no 'safe' place, but there is a best place for each person--

if everyone runs to this place in Florida (I've never been that far southeast)--

then that would not be such a great idea--

The fact is that heat can kill as much as cold, and it is harder to prepare against heat than against cold--

in an area where the winters are bitter it is less likely that a person will die from heat in the summers--

Also, it probably matters less how many people are in an area than what kinds of people--

if there is a vibrant local economy with hard-working people who don't mind talking about how to prevent hunger . . .

then you might be better off than living where there aren't as many people, but those people who live there are unwilling to cooperate--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Agreed...

...on relying 'completely' on the advice of others.

I had researched and purchased my family's retreat property/home long before I ever heard of Joel Skousen and his book, but when I saw the topic being discussed, I posted the info because it can be tremendously useful, particularly with the multi-faceted research and approach he takes.

It just so happened that I had already selected and purchased property in a location in my state that was smack-dab in the middle of what Skousen researched and considered to be a prime retreat location.

As an aside, we are moving full-time to 'the redoubt' in several months. A bit of remodeling and livestock-shelter prep still to do when the thaw hits.

As to the State of Florida, it is wholly unacceptable as a serious retreat/survival location for a multitude of reasons.

Cheers.

I Recommend This Book

Strategic Relocation: North American Guide to Safe Places, by Joel Skousen

It is a great read and approaches relocation based on a variety of scenarios, to include nuclear strikes, natural disasters, economic collapse ect... It focuses on survivable areas reference growing season, climate, water, distance from metro areas and other factors and examines each state.

http://joelskousen.com/strategic.html

http://www.amazon.com/Strategic-Relocation-North-American-Pl...

Interesting stuff.

I'm NOT recommending their suggested location

but it struck me that it could be TERRIBLE advice if nobody could move there. Much would depend on the real estate market there. A quick check of one Jackson County realty site showed several homes for under $100k, including one for $35,000, so I guess it's feasible for some.

Believe it or not these are too costly for me. Instead I'll be building my own solar house on ~25 acres I picked up for $5,500 three years ago.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

on a rural property with

on a rural property with water, atleast 4 hours away from any major city.

I'm only about 3 hours from a major city

so I guess I'm hoping it's a huge solar storm that makes cars useless rather than a simple grid-down situation. If people are on foot there's a high pass to hike over. That should slow 'em down. At that point there will be a lot of death and avoiding it will be everyone's primary occupation.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

I would say 3 hours is good.

I would say 3 hours is good. Most will not make it out of the big city.

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Btw, one might want to not miss this one, either:

Btw, one might want to not miss this one, either:

"A Perfect Storm is coming of Debt, Entitlements and Dysfunctional Government"
http://www.dailypaul.com/264908/a-perfect-storm-is-coming-of...

'HTH,

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BUMP.

BUMP.

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I saw that video from PaulRevere2012 months ago

I saw that video from PaulRevere2012 months ago - I kept forgetting to post about it. Thanks for doing it eventually.

Well, we did find the video spot on and have thought about it. Dear wife and I have an idea of a few locations where to retreat if the real SHTF.

Right, not sharing here.

Anyone can do this homework for themselves.

I warmly recommend all of us to do so, just in case.

Stay safe.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I don't see any economic

I don't see any economic collapse coming anytime soon. Having said that however it never hurts to be prepared for a disaster.

If someone disagrees then lay

If someone disagrees then lay it out.

I don't think we're going weimar republic or zimbabwae. They will figure out a way to roll into a global currency. Most of the sheep won't even notice. It's not right, but thats what will prob. happen.

Notice gold going down lately? That's because the inflation doesn't matter as much as many have thought. When every country in the world is inflating it doesn't do much to global trade.

Is it right? Is it moral? No way! It's horrible. I say liquidate the bad debt and legalize competing currencies, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

You may have an abundance of trust in TPTB

to manipulate things as they like, but do you really think your well-being fits into their plans?

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Of course not. I think my

Of course not. I think my well being is of no concern to them. I don't trust the TPTB. I just don't think they will collapse the economy and stop their own gravy train.

So wait....

a $700 trillion derivative bubble, the biggest bond bubble and debt saturation the world has ever seen, the entire world dependent on a fraction reserve debt-based fiat with no reserve requirements, and the world's reserve currency's interest rate on ZIRP into perpetuity and you don't think there is an economic storm brewing?!?!?

You believe that one little Jew behind a little green curtain has complete control over the finances of 7 billion free thinking independent shoppers?

Honey, there's a hard rain a-comin'.

I get all of that, I've been

I get all of that, I've been reading about imminent collapse since at least 2006. But I don't think it will matter. It's not "one little jew". It's every country in the world. They are all the same bank basically.

I don't think they will collapse us into the stone ages. Just my opinion though. It doesn't make sense. Our labor keeps them in power. I say the charade continues.

I have some gold and a 6m supply of flour,rice, and beans in storage in case :) Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

It makes sense if you think one of their alleged goals is real,

namely the reduction of the human population to a half-billion.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Agreed. If that's the case

Agreed. If that's the case then we fight for our lives, forget politics and economics.

Too complex to control

Bottom line is that the global economic-financial system is so complex that it is impossible to even describe or predict much less to control, and like any such system inherently unstable and prone to sudden collapse.

Believe it or not this important idea is entertainingly explored in the original Jurassic Park novel.

The universal response to such collapse(which is almost openly advocated if you follow Krugman's arguments to their final conclusion) has been and will be global war.

Last time around it took 10-12 years to really get going(Economic collapse starting in 1929, global war in '39, U.S. manipulated into war '41)

So currently starting the fifth year of the collapse, puts us in 1934, about the time when people begin to see through the lies of the propaganda mill and realize there is no real recovery and when drastic actions begin to appear. The "bonus army" and near Coup d'etat had been violently suppressed in the U.S., there was a serious war between Japan and China by 1934 and Hitler was already Chancellor.

Well from the perspective of

Well from the perspective of an active day trader I'll keep trading what's in front of me and not try not to make bold predictions.

There is systemic risk, but for the time being equities are looking great for 2013 and gold/silver not so much.

It's None Of Your Business!! .We Don't Want The Feds To Know

where we will be when the SH*T comes down..

Not a very smart question to ask...Someone might get the idea that you have an interest in knowing..We don't know whom you are or who you work for.

You might be a FED for all we know..

Don't LAUGH! I could be a FED and you would never know it..None of you have met me or know me...

McClarin, do me a favor and delete this one...

DO NOT list your survival retreat address, folks!

Emalvini is right, it's something you don't want a bunch of strangers to know.

Short of that, there is plenty to discuss here in general terms. We could all stand to learn a thing or two from each other, you too emalvini.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Yeah

Nothing like coming on the internet and posting all your plans for the WHOLE WORLD to see. Why not just put up neon signs everywhere?

skippy