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What is Love?

It's been really interesting to see the responses to various threads here asking questions such as, 'What is God?', 'What is Liberty?', etc.

I think that all (most, many?) of us here would agree that an essential, if not the most essential factor in fostering a r3VOLution for Liberty, is that it be done with Love.

Given that, I'd really 'love' to hear responses to the following questions:

- What is Love? Where does it come from? Is it something transcendent or not?

- Do you agree that Love is the foundation of Liberty, or is it just a nice-to-have thing on the side?

- Will Liberty last in a society that does not have Love?

I think you probably know my views already from other threads (Christian, Platonic view on ideal Love existing and being essential); but I'm interested to hear the variety of views that are out there on 'what is Love?'.

Kind of fits in with us just having celebrated Valentine's Day, I guess. :)

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At the heart of the movie Shakespeare in Love

was Gwyneth Paltrow’s courageous character which compelled her to step outside her comfort zone to break extraordinary barriers due to her love of poetic words and the man who wrote them who was William Shakespeare. It was a demonstration of the power of love to inspire people to do things they would not ordinarily do. She suffered emotional heartache in the end, but she had the inner strength to transcend her fate and inspire Shakespeare to fulfill his dreams.

I think of this movie as encapsulating the earthy, romantic side of love which can be uplifting as well as fleeting, painful or long-lasting and nurturing depending on the human bonds involved. Kahlil Gibran described the two sides of love very eloquently in The Prophet recognizing that love can make us feel powerless at the same time that we are empowered by it. I think of the Liberty movement as encapsulating the intellectual, philosophical side of love which is grounded and moved by people’s love of freedom, principle and values. I think love is not only the foundation but the fuel behind the Liberty movement where people hold the welfare of their fellow man at the highest level inspired by a man who had the courage to break the boundaries of the establishment’s constraints because of his undying love of principle. Both romantic and philosophical aspects of love are necessary for the human heart to evolve as they counterbalance each other; one lays the spark and the other soothes the pain and lends perspective when needed. I do not believe liberty will die as in Gibran’s “north wind lays waste the garden” as long as people freely and bravely embrace their love of freedom and principle while allowing their rational, philosophical side to cope with the obstacles and challenges.

Kahlil Gibran (The Prophet):
“When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams
as the north wind lays waste the garden.
When you love you should not say,
"God is in my heart," but rather,
"I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course
of love, for love, if it finds you worthy,
directs your course.”

I can't be sure if I've ever experienced it.

So I couldn't tell you... one must have experience in order to answer a question.

Love is when you know you are

Love is when you know you are getting a glimpse at perfection of purpose. You feel love. It is a calm quiet feeling that is deep inside. Total satisfaction with the moment. Learned and earned.

I feel love when i turn on a new episode of doin work. Or when my cat jumps on my chest to nap when i'm laying down. Or when I see good ideas spread. When I'm cooking with my mother. When I'm laughing with freinds. When the temperature outside is just right and i take a big breath of air and eat a mint leaf from the garden. When I finish a hard days work. When i'm out on the mountain bike.

I really like this guys way of asking what is love. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmbhYKDKfU

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Great question!

Some of my thoughts http://relate4ever.wordpress.com/?s=love

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Love is... to act knowing that the recipient of your love

will never know who to thank or have any way to thank you.

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas

Love Is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb0Y3FNrVJk

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Value reflection!

An expression of a intence value reflection.

The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson

I have no idea. Nor do I care.

I recognize that for me to be free, everyone else must be free, even if I HATE their ways. I certainly don't love any other human being, or really anything, at all. It's something my brain does not understand since adolescence thanks to a doctor and trendy shrink experimenting with SSRIs on my brain.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

And it's also nonsensical

And it's also nonsensical hippie bullshit in the likes of thinking that having huge hippie concerts and doing drugs is going to take down those evil corporations. In my viewpoint it's just another thing that is going to make people docile, not fight, and just depend on Jesus to come slay all of the evil. We are going to be on the brink of destruction because people will simply never fight back. The elite are never going to initiate any fight, they are just going to keep inching forward little by little and regulate us out of existence.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Love isn't...

...identical with only warm fuzzies and hippie movements is it? Love that is indifferent to evil -- how could that be true Love? But a Liberty movement without Love for each other and even for our opponents and enemies will not last, at least in my opinion.

Love is a condition in which

your happiness becomes dependent upon the happiness of another.

Love

Love is unity
Love is infinite
Love is knowing God
Love is consciousness
Love is life
Love is truth
Love is justice
Love is peace
Love is harmony
Love is flow
Love engages potential into form
All things come from love and therefor nothing can define it, words merely facilitate a sharing of it
Love is the moment when the ego disapears when in complete engagement with now
Love is felt at an emotional level when it is recognized at a physical one
Love is who you are when you strip away all that is not you
I love this topic !

Freedom is a byproduct of acceptance - judge not.

Love is

the absense of FEAR and Loathing.

Aretha know's.

The title takes me back to the 80's :)

so now this post requires background music ;)
Howard Jones - What Is Love?

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

lol :)

I think I'll have this song stuck in my head for a while now. :)

Love

means empathy and being willing to see things from someone else's perspective. Hard to maintain a tyranny when we have compassion for the other guy...it breaks down the distance between. A natural human state, overcomes fear, and essential to liberty.

"Any government that is big enough to give everything you need is also strong enough to take it all away."

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Love is the answer - Whatever the question.

"I just want to live in a free country" - Dr. Ron Paul

hey now

What if the question is "What must be eliminated from the world?"

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Without Love

we will not be able to win.

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loveGodwithallyourheart.com

"The world has never known more oppressive governments or bigger governments than those which profess the cult of liberty." - Donald Sanborn

Love is

Love is action

Love is a verb

Love is God

LOVE IS

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What is Love? I'll Tell You What It is Not in My World

1. It's not my favorite sports team.
2. It's not my favorite food.
3. It's not my favorite article of clothing.
4. It's not my favorite mode of transportation.
5. It's not my favorite house, apartment or park bench.
6. It's not my favorite flag, group of people or philosophy.
7. It's not my favorite historical figure, movie, play or other written work.

It's not a word I trivialize or address for common everyday occurrences. It's a special word I use to describe and reinforce my relationship in a moment in time with God (as a believer) and with other human beings. Yes, you can feel deep empathy for animals but it is not the same as loving a person you know in the present or in the past.

The English language is rich in descriptive words and their specific meanings. However the word 'love' has been debauched and exploited by clever marketing people and political science propagandists who use humanities' ardor for our deities and one another as a mechanism to sell the people something.

Like the natural rights we all enjoy as human beings, my love cannot be bought, sold, taken or given away without my consent of freewill. I revere the word as a special expression of my deep feelings and cherish it more than gold.

A long time ago I vowed to use the word 'love' in conversation, prose and poetry when I only felt unconditional caring for whatever person was the object of my love. When I declare, "I love you," I mean to convey an extraordinary sensation of emotion for a person without the expectation of a requitable response.

It is a powerful yet simple word that sits atop the pinnacle of my life along with my personal meaning of God, liberty and freedom.

This reminds me...

...of how other languages like Greek have multiple words for different kinds of loves. Some of those creature-comfort likes or 'loves' would be 'storge', love between friends 'phileo', erotic love 'eros', God's unconditional love 'agape'.

You have a good point that we tend to lump all these things together under one word in English.

CS Lewis has an interesting book, 'The Four Loves', which presents the idea (among others) that these various other loves need to be grounded in the 'agape', otherwise they can actually devolve into complicated forms of hatred while still being called 'love'.

The new recruit and the old sergeant...

In the midst of a famous battle, a battle akin to our present titanic struggle to regain liberty and freedom through Constitutional means and the rule of law, just as the enemy was charging our trenches, a young recruit said, "Let us pray"!

To which the old sergeant shouted, "You pray... pass me the bullets!"

DP is composed of 'old sergeants and new recruits'. The battle has entered the trenches already! It is wisest that the new recruits follow the advice of the old sergeant!

We presume all the forces aligned with Ron Paul's vision of America, and what it requires to regain liberty, understand love. But there is now, no time left us but to engage in that which is most calculated to effect our temporal victory!

And that is, lighting brush-fires of freedom in our neighborhoods, by clarifying the real issues of truth for them, in such a manner, and with such alacrity, that history will record we did in the most desperate of circumstances, in the most critical of time pressure, precisely that which freedom's victory required of us.

My friends, it is time to 'pass the bullets'!

As the pressure...

...on society increases, Love as the glue that binds us together and motivates us becomes all the more critical.

But I agree -- the time for leisurely contemplating these things is probably growing very short.

Love is an emotion ... and ALL emotions ...

... are our body's mechanism for giving us feedback about a particular stimulus as it relates to our values.

They key to the whole thing is not the emotion (end result) but rather our values (first input).

If I told you that somebody died, you might have a minor emotion, but nothing much because you don't know who it is or what the circumstances. If I told you it was Hitler, you probably would feel the emotion of joy because your value tells you that it is a positive thing that he died. But if I told you the person who died was someone very close to you in your life who you value, then your emotion would be quite the opposite because you value having them in your life. It's the same stimulus: you are told somebody died. But the emotional output is very different because the underlying value you hold, upon which the emotion is based, is very different.

The next time you feel an emotion, especially a negative one like anger or fear, think about what the stimulus is that triggered that emotion. Was it an internal thought you had? Was it something external to you like something someone said or something you read? And then think about that stimulus and what value you hold that would make you feel the end result emotion. Once you do that, then think about whether or not the value you hold is proper -- is it a value that you really should hold, or are you possibly in error regarding that value? You will be amazed at how this allows you to work through things in your life when you feel negative emotions.

Positive emotions, we don't tend to analyze them so much because we like feeling them. Love is one of those positive emotions we feel because we value the person or thing that is stimulating that emotion. Maybe the next step would be to analyze what we like so much -- what we value so much -- about that person or thing. This will give us a deeper understanding of why we love what we do.

All emotions begin with our values. If we want to change our emotions, or understand them, we have to understand our values, and in some cases, change our values.

Love

is a state of harmonious flow with the energies of the Universe. Fear is the state of struggling against that flow, although the fear itself is generated from a love of something. Love is our natural state.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

For this is the love of God

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, our faith.

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Love is absence of fear

Fear not and you will be free of fear.
Fear not and you will have courage to love.

On Love.....

First Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Corinthians 13:1-8

If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not love,
I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge,
and if I should have all faith,
so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.
And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor,
and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not love,
it profiteth me nothing.
Love is patient and kind;
love is not jealous or boastful;
it is not arrogant or rude.
Love does not insist on its own way;
it is not irritable or resentful;
it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
Love bears all things,
believes all things,
hopes all things,
endures all things.
Love never ends.

The Prophet on Marriage
by Khalil Gibran

Then Almitra spoke again and said...
"And what of Marriage, master?"
And he answered saying:

You were born together,
and together you shall be forevermore.

You shall be together when the white wings
of death scatter your days.

Aye, you shall be together even in the
silent memory of God.

But let there be spaces in your togetherness,
And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.

Love one another, but make not a bond of love.
Let it rather be a moving sea between
the shores of your souls.

Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.
Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf.

Sing and dance together and be joyous,
but let each of you be alone,

Even as the strings of a lute are alone
though they quiver with the same music.

Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.
For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.

And stand together, yet not too near together.
For the pillars of the temple stand apart,

And the oak tree and the cypress
grow not in each other's shado

Ed Rombach