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I Want to Debate a "Liberal" Who Is Willing To Change Their Mind

Are you a democrat, liberal, socialist, communist, marxist or otherwise interested in exerting SOME type of control over me or others?

Are you sure of your convictions? Is it your intent to make the world TRULY a better place? Are you CAPABLE of absorbing new information and able to change your MIND and BELIEFS accordingly?

Those who have built themselves their own prison to stay in (a rigid belief system) need not apply...

Solutions are arrived at by identifying and analyzing the problems. If we can't be honest about the problems then you will not be seeing any solutions materialize. Everything will continue to go downhill and our prosperity will evaporate in this country... what's left of it anyway.

I myself am just one bad happening away from being back on the street with whatever I can carry... the FACT is this "government" has become downright PREDATORY and if you're not willing to consider that FACT then really is there anything that we can logically or rationally discuss?

...and it's very anoying how "they" can change the meanings of our words. Isn't a "liberal" - by a common sense definition - someone who likes "liberty?" No... of course not. Somehow they have managed to change the meaning of this word to "someone who wants to take your liberty away."

They divide us by messing with our language. The are conquering us by making it virtually impossible for us to communicate... organize... or even agree on the simplest point. If you can at least temporarily trust that I have everyone's best interests in mind... and the same goes for me regarding you... that is a place to start.

We need to be prepared to slow down these soundbites and actually start looking up these words and trying to figure out exactly what it is that we have been trained to PARROT by the "powers that be" - who are only in power because most people can't even figure out that there actually is some sinister deviant group of international financiers that are attempting to take over the planet and are right now preparing the people for forced subjugation on a massive scale.

Are you able to change your mind? Are you able to admit that maybe you didn't have all the information at your disposal before coming to a conclusion about whatever it is you choose to believe at this time? At the risk of using some "violent communication" here...

ARE YOU ABLE TO ADMIT IT WHEN YOU FIND OUT YOU WERE WRONG?

If we can't start there... then we are doomed as a species... because as everyone knows - "nobody is perfect." From simple logic, if you're not willing to admit that you're not perfect then you're obviously not capable of having a rational, intelligent and logical discussion about anything right? You are more intent on establishing your boundaries and building up the different facets of the fantasy world that you live in. Obviously... isn't that LOGICAL to presume?

I'm not conservative. I'm not a liberal. I don't know what "class" some "political pundit" would put me in. If I say "I want government to just leave me alone" does that make me a "conservative" or a "liberal?" The labels just boggle the mind...

I whole-hardheartedly recommend becoming a DP member and supporting Michael - there aren't many "mom & pop shops" left, especially in media. If we don't support the few that remain who are doing the right things they will evaporate along with what's left of our rights.

I'm living proof that you can speak you mind here and that's difficult to find now anywhere on the internet unless you have your own independent blog. Kudos to Michael who consistently amazes me every time I come back to DP and click "login" and still have the ability to do so :-P

If you're up for a AUDIO debate feel free to get in touch. You can email me @yahoo dot com if you're not already a Daily Paul member.



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deacon's picture

NO,it is theft

full blown theft,as not all get the benefits
from them taxes that were stolen
I pay a tax here for schools,yes schools
3 of them to be exact,i have no kids in schools
i pay a tax for road repair,when the gas tax pays for that
i pay a tax here for sewer repair,when it is my responsibility to fix that if it breaks
so yes it is theft
the health care is a tax i pay,and i will never be able to use that(and i get to pay for not using it!!)
most if not all have taxes taken and given to other countries,is this not also theft?
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

What, no one wants to convert me?

You right wingers are all the same...

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

We aren't "right-wingers."

If you refuse to acknowledge the falsity left-right paradigm how can we convert you?

Most of your comments in this thread have been anti-intellectual logical fallacies. You have straw-manned our positions, appealed to authority, used the fallacy of false cause (about the free-market causing poverty), and so on.

Cyril's picture

Er... I think the comment you replied to was just using sarcasm

Er... I think the comment you replied to was just using sarcasm...

Or so I hope ;)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Shhhhh

I'm playing devil's advocate. Don't tell anyone!

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

Cyril's picture

LOL. You sure found a way to harvest down votes, at least.

LOL. You sure found a way to harvest down votes, at least.

Thanks for the unexpected fun :)

I, too, believe in the legitimacy of big government! ...

*waits*

...

*nothing*

Will never work with me. :P

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

jrd3820's picture

Vince...

Despite what the commenters below say flipping liberals is child's play.

Their minds are soft and just need to be molded.

So, your desire to debate a liberal sounds like fun, but I really believe it is not as hard as some seem to think.

"They divide us by messing with our language." They are not smart enough to do that, don't let them if they try.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Have you ever tried pissing

Have you ever tried pissing against the wind?

Never in your life will you be able to debate someone and force them to admit that they are stupid. Change comes from asking people questions, sparking their own interest in investigating it further.

You can bring the horse to water, but you cant make it drink it.

Personal will is a bitch.

Vince, if you can convert a liberal

Pass it along to us as to how you were able to do it. Most can't be reasoned with, they are immune to any logical thought, they just believe. They hold their beliefs to be "self evident".

This is true. The vast

This is true. The vast majority of progressives are driven by emotion, not logical thought. Reason doesn't work with them. If it did, they wouldn't be progressives.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Paradox

"Liberal" Who Is Willing To Change Their Mind

I downvoted you

I was a liberal Naderite turned conservative Paultard by the way.

And your mentality is exactly what doesn't work.

sarcasm, learn to recognize

sarcasm, learn to recognize it.

deacon's picture

lol

nothing to see HERE ;)
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence