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Brainwashing Kids 4 Christ! Just $39 + S/H

Check out this commercial for a creepy new teddy bear, created by "christian" Pastor John Hagee, that indoctrinates fundamentalist christianity into your unsuspecting child...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYNACoftcPg&feature=player_em...

My question is, If christ/god of the bible was really real,then why the constant need to trick and scare people into believing?

http://www.jhm.org/Catalog/Product/KT205/Promises%20To%20Gro...



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No, I see no flaw in it. Because the Bible is Truth.

John 17:17 KJV
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

How do you know you really exist?

You are forcing one viewpoint

You are forcing one viewpoint over another onto your child. You are telling them that they should pray to one particular God and declare themselves one particular part of one particular religion, because you believe it to be true.

God may have made us, but it is only subjective on which God done so. Teaching your children, or anyone else for that matter, that this one particular God out of all the others is true and not allowing the child to examine all religious and non-religious viewpoints before coming to a decision themselves, is forcing an opinion on to them.

You don't force anything on to a child, you teach them what you know, where they can find out more and allow them to grow up figuring it out for themselves.

There is ONE God and one day

There is ONE God and one day every knee will bow and every tounge will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I will hold you to that. But

I will hold you to that. But in the mean time, do not force me to believe such a subjective claim.

I don't see anyone here

trying to force you to believe any claim at all.

Please know,

I have no desire to force you to do or believe anything, nor can I.

John 6:64 But there ares ome of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Nor can you, unless it is given to you!

Eph.2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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IMO in this day and age we have become pretty high and mighty thinking we can decide for ourselves, when really we are at the mercy of God. I think it is a great deception!

"I have no desire to force

"I have no desire to force you to do or believe anything, nor can I."

But you can do this to your own child who cannot question whether it is a forced opinion/belief or not?

A parent does not force

any belief on a child, a parent teaches and woos a child by word and example. If a parent's belief and life is a banquet table for his child, the child will not turn away to a bowl of cold oatmeal. That's how it works.

Because

there is ONE God and one day every knee will bow and every tounge will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Why would I not tell my child about God? Why would I not tell my child that the stove is hot or to look before crossing the street or to wait for an adult to be present before swimming? Why would I not teach my child to read? Why would I not teach my child to count and to name colors? Why would I not teach my child to love himself, to love God and to love others? Why would I not teach my child that God loves him? Why would I not teach my child the most important matter of life?

Matthew 16:26 KJV
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Hot stove - Street smarts -

Hot stove - Street smarts - reading skills - numeracy

= Facts

Christianity

= Subjective belief

By all means, teach your child about your beliefs. But don't tell them it is 100% true and that it is as real as rain, tell them why you believe it to be so, give them the resources to study the subject and then give them the knowledge in how to critically think and evaluate it. Eventually they will reach their own conclusion. They believe in God? You win.

If I didn't believe it to be 100% true and real as rain, I would

not waste my time.

in your opinion..

in your opinion..

Well

You started off ok, John Hagee is not in line with historic traditional Christianity throughout the centuries.

He has a lot of issues so don't lump him in with all Christians.

You went on to basically bash Christian parents so that's not good.
"teach your children to think for themselves, be curious, and follow the golden rule."

How can you teach your child the golden rule apart from Jesus who is the one who gave us the golden rule?

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

The concept of the golden

The concept of the golden rule existed before the time of Jesus.

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The Lord gave it to Moses about 1400 years earlier

The Golden Rule: "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12

Jesus was teaching the practical application of His own words as recorded in the Law of Leviticus 19:18, written about 1400 years earlier:

"... you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord."

Jesus is the eternal Lord in human form.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

If its Hagee, then the

If its Hagee, then the headline should read "Brainwashing kids for Zionism", because it's surely not really about Christ.

I don't know much about him except he's

pretty extreme. What's he all about?

Hagee is all about...

...Israel -- first, last, and always.

Hagee's beliefs are heretical -- not at all in line with true Christianity and the Bible.

"True christianity"?

By that, do you mean the old or the new testament. Perhaps you meant...

Ps 137:9: "Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!"

Deut 21:20: 20 "They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

Leviticus 26:29: "You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."

or maybe he's just in line with all the raping and pillaging of other nations that don't adhere to his beliefs in a chosen people as being the ones their god loves most?

In context

When I read Psalm 137, I see a people who have had their own children dashed upon the rocks and who announce the same treatment for their captors.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/psalms/137.html
Psalm 137:
1 Beside the rivers of Babylon, we sat and wept as we thought of Jerusalem. 2 We put away our lyres, hanging them on the branches of the willow trees. 3 For there our captors demanded a song of us. Our tormentors requested a joyful hymn: "Sing us one of those songs of Jerusalem!" 4 But how can we sing the songs of the LORD while in a foreign land? 5 If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget its skill upon the harp. 6 May my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth if I fail to remember you, if I don't make Jerusalem my highest joy. 7 O LORD, remember what the Edomites did on the day the armies of Babylon captured Jerusalem. "Destroy it!" they yelled. "Level it to the ground!" 8 O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us. 9 Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!
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When I read Jesus, I hear that I am not to wish the same upon my enemies:
Matthew 5:44 KJV
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

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When I read this I rest in the knowledge that God knows and sees all and is a perfect and just judge and will take care of all injustice:

Romans 12:19 KJV
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

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You know you

took the first verse and last verse out of context. The first verse is the children of israel in captivity pretty much saying what they wish would happen to their captors and the last verse you mention is God warning them what they will do if they do not follow the ways of God. Heck ask north korea about this verse.

About that middle verse, personally I have seen some young people that this should happen to. It would have saved time grief and lives. Dont tell me you have never seen a young person where its obvious if they do not immediately change their ways they will end up in prison or a ditch and either way take at least one person with them.

No, you're putting context in there that shouldn't be

The first is clearly done saying what the bad guys said. It's also not speaking of what the good guys are wishing. It IS, however, what God will/would do. How is this supposed 'divine' and all-knowing deity justifying his vengeance while trying to teach his followers not to do the same. Is it right or wrong to exact revenge? Can't have it both ways.

You honestly think that some out of your norm young people should receive such a fate because they dare to go against the standard of the day? Get this if you have to read it a dozen times: NEARLY EVERY GREAT SCIENTIFIC ACHIEVEMENT IN HISTORY WAS DONE BY SUCH A REBELLIOUS OR NON-CONFORMANT PERSON. Just who do you think you are? Oh, that's right. You're backed up by a blessed old book and a billion other sheep so it's ok. Tell that to the millions who died at the hands of the church both in past and future and see how they react. This is what ticks me off so much about religious people saying we should just leave them alone. It only takes a few people to become a Hitler, Stalin or McCarthy and the world can drastically suffer needlessly.

wow

At this time israel is clearly not the good guys. The verse is clearly the people and not God talking "psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."

I know a guy who decided his parents were stupid, cursed them out, said he was going to do what he wanted to at 16, picked up his girlfriend got drunk, crashed the car hes paralized and shes dead. I know a guy who got hooked on drugs and stole his parents pension, then when that money ran out killed someone looking for easy money. You are absolutely right to say that it is horrible that some kid could be so bad his parents could have him stoned, but if its obvious that they are going to get people killed while they kill themselves because of their rebellion, particularly if its their brother or sister it may be the lesser evil. Can you imagine having a conversation about your kids where you say one of them is going to get themselves killed and hes going to take your other kids with him. I think we should recognize at times horrible just shows how serious some things are.

Disagree

On the context question. It's "evil" either way.

And on 'pre-crime' vigilantism and stoning of mixed up teenagers.

Libertarians generally don't let others do their thinking for them. Did you get that in the membership registration? Five + years, really?

its not a pre crime thing

its they are being disobedient and rebellious and dragging other people along with them. its obvious where its going. A rebellios teenager that cusses parents and steals from mom and dad and hurts people, is not mixed up, they are people that need to be dealt with. If I saw you cussing out your mom and dad I would be all for you getting stoned, or at least someone knocking all of your teeth out.

Instead of

teaching kids about actual life and the potential of human reason, kids are exposed to confusing messages about miracles, torture in hell, feelings, and blind beliefs. It is called LOVE - warm fuzzy feeling in heart that creates warm fuzzy fog in brain. Rational faculty assumes a subservant role merely rationalizing the accepted dogma.

That is assuming

actualassuming actual life doesn't consist of any of those things. I love it when people assume that belief in God is blind faith and dogma and never think that some people may have actually seriously thought this out and found it more believable than blind chance creating millions of encyclopedia filled info coded in strands that reproduce themselves according to blueprints in the strand already made. Or maybe find it easier to believe in design than all matter, space, and time starting out of nothing. It's not a simple idea to dismiss and to do so without consideration and at the very least respect of the opposing view is the real dogma.

Talking ALF

I don't think it had a lasting impact but I sure wish I had one today lol

donvino

HA

lol, he just ate cats and was a cool lil alien right?

I don't think he ever threatened HELL for not believing in ALF, unless there were some "lost episodes"Im not aware of lol

an ALF doll might be worth something these days, I wish I had one too!