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Check out this commercial for a creepy new teddy bear, created by "christian" Pastor John Hagee, that indoctrinates fundamentalist christianity into your unsuspecting child...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYNACoftcPg&feature=player_em...

My question is, If christ/god of the bible was really real,then why the constant need to trick and scare people into believing?

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I already have them, no

I already have them, no worries.

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Make sure you

teach them Jesus Christ is the only one to live a perfect life.
Teach them he taught us to love and forgive one another. Mose importantly teach them that he was slain without ever hurting anyone.

Show them that he conquered the grave and rose to the heavens in which all who chose to follow him will go. Mohammad is still in the ground, Bud-ah in the ground, Abraham still in the ground, Jesus is the only one to have rose from the grave ant take the burden of our horrible sins.

And if they ever ask if Dr. Paul believes and follow Jesus Christ i hope you will tell them yes.

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

"teach them Jesus Christ is

"teach them Jesus Christ is the only one to live a perfect life."
I'll teach them what the Bible says - including the alleged perfection of Jesus, as well as the alleged rape and murder justified and authorized by Yahweh in the old testament. To focus on only one positive element of a religion would be no different than sending my children to Sunday school to get indoctrinated into one specific religion - that's counter to my aims of educating them. I want to educate, not convince. To teach only the flowery Jesus story in a case study on the entire text would be disingenuous at best, and biased propagandizing indoctrination at worst.

As far as Jesus rising from the grave, he's not alone in that among deity figures. There are actually many other figures throughout various religions that resemble parts of the Jesus story. For the record, Buddha is not a god and most Buddhists are atheistic.

Of course I would not lie and say that Ron Paul wasn't a Christian. That would be pointless, and again, counter to my intention of educating my children, not withholding certain information or hyper focusing on other information.

Most likely, the teaching of Christianity will be a three-part examination of Abrahamic religions working chronologically from their inception to today, meaning I would start with Judaism, move to Christianity, then Islam, and finally cover each religion in its modern state. That's the only appropriate way to teach the subject in my view.

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Sounds like you have a plan

I hope it covers well like you have planned. I am 25 with no kids yet i look forward to the day. A plan is a great start, and i'm not talking about shoving them infront of an x-box or stat run tv. Have you ever thought about if your kids choose creation over atheism?

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

If my children decided

If my children decided creationism was correct, that's their decision. My job is to give them the most accurate and comprehensive information I could. I view parenting as an act of guardianship and mentorship, not dictatorship.

I would certainly debate them on any conclusion they come to though, be it in this or any other issue - be they Christian, Buddhist, atheist or whatever else. Any opinion or theory should be contested, otherwise how do you know its strengths and weaknesses?

those are the wrong choices. for your kids.

there is nothing wrong with admitting that you don't know.
it is simply human to want to believe.
atheism requires faith. it is NOT possible to prove a negative.

there is an alternative.

it is called Deism.

peace.

Educating my children is the

Educating my children is the wrong choice? Or is that not what you meant? That's all I've proposed. I will educate my children on the world's religions, without showing favor to any one of them, even without showing favor to atheism. I will explain to them their options and that they can believe whatever they want to, but that, most importantly, beliefs are a detriment to the extent that they are uninformed. I will accept my children belonging to any religion they desire. I REFUSE to accept that my children would belong to a religion they don't understand to a sufficient degree however, thus I will inform them of all religions to the best of my ability (of course with the aid of literature) and allow them to make a choice on their own... At which point I will prod and pick apart their choice (regardless of what it is; playing devil's advocate if you will) until they are absolutely sure it's the appropriate one for them.

Oh and by the way, atheism requires no faith. You have it backwards.
Unless you're conflating the ideas of atheism and anti-theism as is so often done. Atheism = no belief in any god; anti-theism = 'I know there is no God' and/or 'Religion is harmful to humanity'

Simply lacking a belief in a god requires no faith whatsoever. However, I will agree that 'believing there is no god' is a different sort of notion, and one that does require faith.

Little Black Submarines.

I am confused,
did I make your point or did you make mine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k8es2BNloE

peace.

Which point? Wasn't your

Which point?

Wasn't your point that I would be making the wrong choices if I sought to fully, rather than selectively, educate my children? Care to expand on that or correct my interpretation?

I think you are being selective.

Your position will be logically to teach them that there is no objective truth.

That's quite selective, actually.

"Fully" by your standard, one might think, would be how to distinguish what is objective truth and subjective truth, the attributes of each, comparing and contrasting objective and subjective truth, etc.

From what you stated above, you will not be teaching that objective truth exists at all or what it is were it to exist.

How could I say that

How could I say that evolution is a fact without believing in objective truth?

I only referenced religious education. Objective and subjective truth are matters pertaining to philosophy as opposed to spirituality or theism.

I won't even begin with religious studies until they're capable of comprehending and consuming the amount of information it requires. Beginning somewhere from six to twelve depending on their development and interests I imagine. Philosophy can begin earlier and in my view it's vastly more important. Many religions contain philosophy and I would call on them from time to time. Confusing philosophy with theism or spirituality when they're still basically solipsistic makes zero sense to me though. You have to work with the development of the child.

And yet, it is not scientifically proven....

...but there are two reply threads below amply addressing that, no need to start a third.

For the same reason---

that Satan (if you believe him)uses the TV to brainwash the masses! You need to realize we are in a spiritual war. Anything that helps put out our beliefs in a non-toxic way is good in my book.

PBS just TOTALLY ruined our Sunday watching of GARROW'S LAW and our senses being assaulted by images of 2 men kissing. They ruined the story line just to insert their own politcal agendas. It ruined the movie, as it was SO obvious what the producers & writers & Billionaire Banking elites were doing! It upset the flow of the movie and grievously offended us. I threw a pillow at the TV! These same brainwashers did the same thing to PBS's Downton Abbey series a week ago. We are heartsick about all this, so we see nothing wrong with using a Teddy bear to convey a message. It's TV that's "creepy". TV is Satan's weapon! And, we have little, if any, meaningful access to it, so that we can compete for souls.

As an atheist I don't mind

As an atheist I don't mind you putting out your message that Satan is taking over the U.S. or whatever.

Indoctrination of REAL concern.

Teaching children to sing Obama praises in the classroom.

you don't think creating obediant christians helps obama too?

the government wants "people of faith"...they are sooo much easier to control when they are programmed that way.

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Seems to me the dark forces of this world

and our government with the help of hollywood and big banks want to take and demoralize our country and boot God out of America. You take God out of America and you will never see a productive society like we saw in our nations previous history. This is just my opinion of course. Look at all the nations who rejected God. Russia, China, Most of Euro, India Germany in the 1 and 2 world war. A man who has no fear of judgment after death i feel is much more dangerous than an individual who understands that we will stand naked in the presence of the Most holy of holy to receive Judgement for every action on this temporary land.
I mean ask your self this, was Hitler a bad guy or was he evil? Was Mao Ttse Tung wrong or right in his murder of 80 million +, was he evil or bad? Stalin of late USSR 30million + dead. Was he wrong/bad or mean/evil?

I think the faster we understand this is a spiritual battle they sooner poverty perversion and war will stop in its tracts.

Eph 6:10-17 (NIV) ...Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armour of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armour of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled round your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Peace with all

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

You really might want to rethink everything you just said.

You just named off the MOST religious countries as examples that have rejected religion. You connected the social activity to the bankers who really run the show - there should be virtually no connection there. You blanket'edly stated that all atheists have no reason not to 'go out with a bang' and 'take out everyone they can with them'.

You then make no distinction of which is worse (as if one was) between bad and evil. To most people they are the same with varying connotations attached.

Then you call people to stand in war against some un-named evil or devil. This is most tragic, IMHO, because now all someone needs to do is to promote things like "Islamists are evil" or "Iran is evil" and those people now must follow you to battle to eradicate a group of people whom have done nothing bad at all. For shame.

My guess is that you don't even see how this has and will lead to wars (or at least the support of them).

As to this being such horrible times of poverty and perversion, maybe you should research that a little more as well. This era is by far the least perverted one in all of history. It may not seem as such because we get instant global news now but it has fallen at faster rates all the time, in proportion to education. Funny thing is that also in proportion to education is the claim of atheism. Just because you think things are so much worse, doesn't mean you can claim so without backing it up. Oh, and productivity also rises DRAMATICALLY with atheism and education, both historically and globally.

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Hair on your neck seem to be standing up

"Oh, and productivity also rises DRAMATICALLY with atheism and education, both historically and globally."

Are you referring to the increased production of abortions of children?
approx 70,000,000 in the US alone ytd?

Education i will agree on vehemently.

You seem to not like the fact that between the 3 secularist i wrote about have killed ruffly 100,000,000 men woman and children. Very productive yes, but only at things the devil loathes in.

Maybe your are talking about the production and development of the fastest ways to create poverty and death. I'm not quite sure of what examples you are talking about?

Maybe you are talking about the production of hollywood and the demoralization of this country?

And for every 1 positive you give me about technology going forward as if it has anyting to do with spirituality and atheism, i will give you 10 on how it has set us back.

When we reject God and realization that our rights come naturally we will live in conditions not far from russia china and germany in the 2ndWW.

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

Take your biased diatribe elsewhere

You know very well what productivity I'm referring to. Basically everything you DIDN'T list. Manufacturing, scientific achievements and all things related.

Show me a source that the US has 70 million abortions so far this year. I call total BS! That's almost 1 per family. I don't believe anywhere near that even for YOY (year over year), not to mention that YTD means the last 50 DAYS.

Name any great scientist who achieved success in learning something completely new and I'll show you how religion has hindered, jailed or otherwise just chastised them.

100 million deaths not due to religion? Really? This is mostly due to the churches of those countries. Russia not religious? HA That is blindness talking. They're much more devout than the US. China? Puh-lease. It sure may be the devilish acts but that doesn't mean it's not the churches behind it.

Read any on the pope, Vatican, Zionists and the Palestinians lately? You seem to be making my case.

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http://www.trueorigin.org/holocaust.asp#Bergman

Nazism and Religion

Much of the opposition to the eugenic movement came from German Christians. Although Hitler was baptized a Catholic, he was never excommunicated, and evidently ‘considered himself a good Roman Catholic’ as a young man, and at times used religious language. He clearly had strong, even vociferous, anti-Christian feelings as an adult, as did probably most Nazi party leaders. As a consummate politician, though, he openly tried to exploit the church.55 Hitler once revealed his attitude toward Christianity when he bluntly stated that religion is an:

‘ … organized lie [that] must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master. When I was younger, I thought it was necessary to set about [destroying religion] … with dynamite. I’ve since realized there’s room for a little subtlety …. The final state must be … in St. Peter’s Chair, a senile officiant; facing him a few sinister old women … The young and healthy are on our side … it’s impossible to eternally hold humanity in bondage and lies …. [It] was only between the sixth and eighth centuries that Christianity was imposed upon our peoples …. Our peoples had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six divisions of SS men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn’t prevent them from going to their death with serenity in their souls.’ 56

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

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Matthew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

THE CLASS OF CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE AT ONCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEIR OWN RAIMENT, MAY BE VIEWED AS THE MOST TRULY INDEPENDENT AND HAPPY.
James Madison

Acceptable indoctrination?

Every form of indoctrination is bad, even if you agree with the message. The delivery system is what's bad.

No Santa Claus?

No Tooth Fairy? No nursery rhymes? No Hansel and Gretel? No stork? No legends? No fairy tales?
No fun.
I'd love to know which childhood 'myth' exploded for you that made you such a curmudgeon.
Have you really been angry all these years because your parents 'lied' to you about Santa?
Get over it!
Leave parents alone when it comes to them teaching their kids whatever religion they want. It's none of your business. I pray you don't call yourself a 'libertarian' because it would once again strengthen my belief (uh-oh, I'm creating a 'religion' for myself) that 'libertarians' are the most intolerant collective out there.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Our brains are biological computer systems

why taint a young brain with lies?

I was taught about jesus, god, satan,angels, etc. growing up. we never were taught to believe in santa, etc.

Myths are useful to teach a

Myths are useful to teach a moral lesson of some kind usually.
What is the value in pretending they are real though? That's the part I don't get.

Little red riding hood doesn't actually have to get eaten by a wolf in reality just for the reader to understand that sometimes it's best to listen to observed rules (follow the path rather than cutting through the forest.) Santa Claus doesn't have to be actually watching everything you do in order for you to want to be a good person. A story can have instructive value without adults pointlessly lying to their children about whether they actually happened.

Even when it comes to religion - the moral lessons and the bits in religions about righteous/just action aren't completely weightless without the belief in an omnipotent deity. They still have value that can be imparted on children without having to impose a lifestyle on them.

Lol ... I think its cute

where can I buy one

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I can think of worse

I can think of worse indoctrination our kids are being subjected to:

I fear you're falling into

I fear you're falling into the trap of thinking like the top-down folks do. You think that learning something, even early on, negates your status as a fully thinking individual, full capable of thinking on your own.

It doesn't. In fact, just the opposite is true. Having a firm theological upbringing gives you a place to begin your personal thought process. Just think of the jokes about PK kids; they're the most rebellious in their young adulthood. Giving kids a place to begin to think is a wonderful gift, even when it doesn't meet all their needs as they grow into adults, then into mature adults, then wise elders.

Just a caution: If your gut response to some product is that it's brainwashy, it's probably because you personally feel at risk of brainwashing. Best to treat your reaction as a caution for yourself. I'm pretty sure that the bulk of kids who were exposed to steadfast scriptural references from their parents don't consider themselves brainwashed. I had such an upbringing and consider my adult relationship with God one of constant contention marred by sublime interludes.

You've got to admit the same thinking, questioning, human nature stuff for everyone -- even kids who're given this teadybear.

Just for the record, the

Just for the record, the biggest liars, cheaters, drug users and alcoholics I've known in my life were all Catholics as kids. There is something in Catholicism that people love to rebel against as adults.