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Who is the best leader in our Liberty Movement?

I have been a part of our 'fringe' movement since 07. The issue that bothers me to my core is the fact that we are all individuals but seem to fail at rallying around a common message. Is it impossible to shake our personal view to gain support to a broader message? The slightest abridgment away from any inkling from an individual view, divides us like oil and water. As if none of has learned from the leadership of Ron Paul.

We need solutions to our issues and a plan to unite our community behind a message we can agree with 80% of the time. I do not believe in 90% of the conspiracy theories because it would take nobody whistleblowing, screwing up their post or working together to achieve their goals. For christs sake.. Alex Jones showed up to their 'secret' meeting! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpKdSvwYsrE

If not Ron who? If not Rand who? If not YOU... Who? I posted that inflammatory thread 'Screw Alex Jones' because I understood it was not helping our cause. Reasonable debate like Larry Pratt from GOA absolutely helps shape our position: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C1d4onZsyw

6 yrs now I have had to put up with being labeled as a kook, cultist, nutball, RINO, Libtard.. and if you have been here half as long, you know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

So grassroots, please enlighten me. How do we defeat enemy number 1 of our movement? How do we advance our cause with the hardcore numbers we have? How do we defeat Karl Rove in the midterm elections? Where is the leadership showing us how we WIN?

I am all ears. I offered this post twice:

The $7.00 MoneyBomb 2/19/2012

and this post once:

Anybody else proud of Rand

This post is not about me or my ego. This post is trying to solve the hardest obstacles we face to WIN.

I want to end this post with a question.

Where do you see this movement going and what are you personally doing to reach goals?

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Glenn Beck.. Karl Rove and Lindsay Graham

are the reason this thread was created.

I applaud each and everyone for being fiercely independent. Our movement needs leadership. Someone that speaks to us and defends our positions.

It looks like Rand is going to be that guy whether we like it or not. We need to define our enemies and allies well before the midterm elections.

I ask this question because if we want to win we sure as hell better beat Rove and Beck to the punch. They know that right now is the best time to rally your troops. If we can come out swinging for a few candidates early, we have the best chance at success in the primaries.

The core group of posters here didnt leave after the election. Right now, the DP isn't on fire. Not like during any election or big political moment. Right now we should start identifying our candidates and posting threads.

Karl Rove has declared war on us. Karl Rove is an insider deeply connected, full of dirty tricks and a media on his quick dial.

We need leadership. I am saying this as a business owner that has been a promoter for his entire life. Without leadership we are a bunch of people posting comments on the internet that might go vote.

Can you work as a team towards the philosophy of individualism? You support Ron Paul!!!

This thread with Beck really shook me up:


He was just on FOX saying he supports Rand. If we are not careful, our movement will be branded by this douchebag just like Dick Armey hijacked and branded the Tea Party.

This shit we play is called politics. It plays for keeps. If we do not take responsibility for our movement, it will be stolen from us.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

ecorob's picture


I live it EVERY day.

YOU are, too!

WE ALL are.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

YOU are the best leader for the liberty movement

We _ALL_ must be leaders for the liberty movement.

The whole POINT of the liberty movement is that we don't need leaders to tell us how to act and tell us how to live.

So individually, we must all do our part to continue waking people up, and living by example.



that live by example and set the brush fires in the minds of men...

Albert Camus — 'The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.'

I hope you get cancer.

I hope you get cancer.

EDIT: ok, fine I don't literally hope you get cancer, but I can proudly say you and I are not part of the same "movement". Best of luck finding a new and improved leader to lead you!


The Liberty Movement has many admirable figures inc. Judge Nap, Sheriff Mack and yes I give credit to Alex Jones on many points.

However, the modern Movement has taken its heaviest hit without Dr. Paul in public office because he was in a position of power concerning policy (this also is why I would consider 'leaderless' political movements like Occupy as being limited).

To that end, the most I can suggest is to assume a role of civil function in some capacity and express your virtues. This is similarly why I've started a new political Party called Free Dominion


which argues for the dignifying prerogative of individual choice concerning public domain (and the right to withdraw from institutional abuse, inc. all taxation).

It's a huge sacrifice to stand up publicly while trying to embody principle, however IMO it is one more reason why we value Dr. Paul so much

Self governance.

If we do not learn to govern ourselves in full consciousness, we are surrendering our "natural rights" to another human. Agorism is a better model, the lifting of human consciousness must embrace true liberty.
As for me, I am becoming self reliant as quickly as I can and doing my best to teach others as I go. Aquaponics, permaculture, fodder feeding. The way to a man's personal liberty tends to be same path as to his heart - through his stomach.
If you insist on a leader, here is my best offer. I will be your queen. I'll be nice, I'm a pretty "mind your own business" kind of queen. You don't want me to rule over you? Well, that is how I feel about everyone else. If I generate a victim, that person can find local peers to bring me to justice. If I don't generate any victims, I expect to be left the hell alone.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I can lead you out of deserts

and lead you into bars. Really can't say I'm the best at either but I'm willing to find out in open competition.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.



Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Reposting One Idea


"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."


There is no duration defined in the Oath

"I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men."

Don't look for leaders. There aren't any. A strong leader makes for a weak people.

This was the philosophy of Emiliano Zapata and sure seemed to me to be the philosophy of Dr. Ron Paul. Both of these men were not "leaders" in the conventional sense of the word. Rather, they were/are the finest teachers of Liberty who walk(ed) the talk.

I urge everyone to watch this film sometime and learn from it. It is the people who need to show strength in times like these:


Emiliano Zapata -
"I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men."
"It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.”

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

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Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

You need to get over yourself

It talks all kids of spokesmen to reach all kinds of people

why not let people just do their thing. Thats freedom for ya like it or not.

Ron Paul is our best and most influential spokesman/leader and I think that pretty much goes without saying.

But stop attacking liberty minded people even if you don't agree with their approach. Let em be. It takes all kinds and you don't corner the market on "the right way".

i prefer spokesman

& last time i checked ron paul was still going strong.

there are others who retain the principles that make this movement great: the message continues to spread by books, lectures, classrooms, forums, word of mouth, radio and even few select politicians.

there are a number of issues to consider, but foreign policy is a dead giveaway.

when i hear rand say that he wants "a little less aggressive foreign policy" it's obvious he is more tea party
than freedom movement regardless of the spin you'll hear from his supporters.

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Nice, downvotes. What, too

Nice, downvotes. What, too early?

Here's one: Love/Disobedience 16

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Who will lead the way?

After much deliberation I have come to the following conclusion; I am not interested in a leader. Few have failed to impress me enough for me to follow them. I will take this matter into my own hands and I shall be my own leader.

While I am at it I have decided that I also do not want to be a part of any movement. I will be my own movement. It will be a movement of one, led by me. It might be a bumpy ride and I might have to stop off along the way and ask for directions every now and again, but it will be a fun ride and there will be no leader or movement to tell me what to do.

As far as what I am doing to achieve the goals I have… I have infiltrated the economics department at my school, and after two years of saying the same thing over and over in as many different ways as I possibly could I have made a breakthrough. Two of my professors have changed their curriculum to include information from End the Fed and The Creature from Jekyll Island.

My persistence has spilled over into the literature department where Theodore Dreiser is finally being taken seriously as his Cowperwood Trilogy has been added to some syllabi. For those of you who will reply by saying “but Theodore Dreiser was anti-capitalism,” you are correct. That is what he thought he was, however if you have read the whole Cowperwood Trilogy you understand that the world Dreiser creates is one based on plain old crony capitalism, and in an absurd twist of irony as much Dreiser would probably roll over in his grave if he read this, he makes a great case for free market principles. Now students will read these books and be faced with the harsh reality that even in the world of fictitious literature, economic structures matter and can really be quite interesting. I will be graduating early, Thursday to be exact and my only regret is not getting Ayn Rand’s theories on objectivism more face time in the philosophy department. The economics department took a lot of my attention and energy as the bastards were damn near communists when I started working on them.

That is what I am doing in my movement of 1 led by me.

And to those of you searching for a leader; do not simply fall for a charismatic speaker. History has shown us that charismatic speakers are quite capable of leaving deep wounds.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Cyril's picture

Makes sense

Maybe that's what every one of us should do...

Lead only by and for own example, also leaving traces of our own salt along the way, for whoever else cares enough to imitate that, their turn.


May the individuals win it back.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Makes sense?

Glad to hear because it was a 6:30 Am rambling after no sleep. I think your bill of rights comment probably makes more sense though. Ahhh to be rational. One of these days I might try that whole rational thing on for size.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Cyril's picture

Here is the best leader of our liberty movement:

Here is the best leader of our liberty movement:

His name is Bill.

THAT is the guy we ought to support till WE WIN for the restoration of this country.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Who do you think Ron Paul

Who do you think Ron Paul will endorse in the next election? HIS SON. RAND.

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Well, assuming there will be a next election, to begin with...

Well, assuming there will be a next election, to begin with...

As I'm not so sure we can even take this for granted.

I hope to be wrong.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

You mean political leader? Hard to say.

If David Duke is a spiritual leader here, then the flag of the Libertarian movement will naturally be shared between Tea Party & Libertarian Party.

Get Out of Your Box

Try thinking outside of the box that society has put you in. You are still stuck in a thought pattern that says we can't go anywhere wihout a fearless leader. Ron Paul started a fire. HE was and IS that fearless leader. Now fan the flames by informing anyone who will listen. Stop trying to put all your hopes on one person or one group. Spread the message of liberty and stop trying to storm Washington. Christianity didn't storm Rome. It grew. Slowly, patiently, quietly. The TRUTH is what matters. Not the political system. Why do you think Ron Paul spends so much time talking at schools? He is trying to change how the youth view the world. He is trying to change the thought paradigm. Please research "The Hundredth Monkey Effect" Just my opinion. You asked.


The best leader is The NAP

The Non-Aggression Principle is our leader not one particular individual. I believe that 80%-90% of the general population can all agree on its basic foundation. This is the reason why we can unite with everyone seeking for political reform whether socialist, communist, anarcho-capitalist, Constitutional conservative, etc. If you seek to live in that society, I will not interfere nor aggress so long as you do not interfere nor aggress with mine. under this guideline you are your best leader so long as the NAP is your core.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

I think Rand is the only one with a shot.

The Republican party is drifting into two camps. And Rand has been crowned leader of the non Neo-Con side.

This has been reported by most of the non Neo-Con media, even on the left. That is why Rand has been getting so much attention lately.

I don't think Rand would be the best candidate, but he'd be a damn sight better than the last 3 Presidents.

Since Rand is well known and gets good press on the national stage, it would be a lot harder for the Neo-Cons to put 'stooges' into the primary to try to siphon off votes.

Like they did to Dr. Paul with Huntsman, Perry and Cain. Wouldn't surprise me if they even urged Bachmann to run.

Whatever leader we end up having, and there will be one, we must continue to spread our message of Liberty, take more primaries and insert ourselves further into the GOP machine.

In a leaderless revolt

You are and I am the best leader, lead yourself.


it's easier to co-opt a

it's easier to co-opt a leaderless revolt than if the one histrionic leader isn't corruptible because he has a platform to call out the people who are trying to co-opt the movement.


I stated that you and I are the leaders in a leaderless revolt

So how are you going to be co opted. I will bet my life that I will not be co opted.


i wasn't directing anything

i wasn't directing anything at you. I want the documents!