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Rubio was born in 1971 at Cedars of Lebanon Hospital in Miami, but his Cuban-born parents did not become citizens until 1975.Yes, he's a citizen born on this soil, but not natural born without both parents being citizens at the time of his birth.

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It will be the first time the R's and D;s come togehter in

bipartisan law making.
They will change the law requiring natural citizenship AND the law limiting a pres to two terms in a great compromise.

Rubio V Obama 2016

LOL

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Birther 2.0

Octobox claims to have originated the term "Birther" here at the DP.

I hereby dub this scandal "Birther 2.0." It will not be covered in the press. If they do, they'll smother it with glazed sugar, so it goes down easy.

The Constitution will be ignored. It will be thought of as antiquated in this instance. Or somehow explained away, flimsily.

Any and all attacks will be deemed "Racist" thereby making it a 3rd rail topic. All candidates at the GOP debates will confirm that they believe it is not an issue, and that Rubio is eligible.

That's what I would expect to unfold, if my worldview is correct, and an accurate predictor of the future.

He's the man.
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"Republicans, once critical of Obama's birth certificate

now have their own birth certificate issue to deal with. The bubble headed bleach blonde has more details:"

"That's right, Kathy. Residents here don't seem to have a problem with it. We talked to a few outside the local Walmart."

Cut to a man outside of WalMart:

Man: "He's not a what?

Reporter Kathy: "Not a 'natural born citizen.'

Man: "What does that mean - natural born citizen? Is he a citizen?"

Reporter Kathy: "He's a citizen, but not a natur --

Man: "Hold up, hold up. If he's a citizen, then that's cool. Don't matter who his parents are. There is equality of opportunity in America."

Reporter Kathy: And there you have it. Rubio's 'birth certificate issue' does not look like it will have a major impact on this election either.

Back to you.

He's the man.

You are correct

I can't believe some of the comments below.
John Jay - first Chief Justice SCOTUS used Vattel's Law of Nations as his lawbook and after reading Vattel's section 'of citizens and naturals' was promted to write this to Geo Washington:
"Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen..."
From Vattel:
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

The fledgling nation did NOT adopt Blackstone as its authoratative law though they would reference it. NEVER FORGET what George Mason said during the Virginia Constitutional Convention,
"But by that paper (Constitution) we are consolidating the United States into one great government, and trusting to constructive security. You will find no such thing in the English government. The common law of England is not the common law of these states. I conceive, therefore, that there is nothing in that Constitution to hinder a dismemberment of the empire."

http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_va_16.txt

Why do so many refuse to understand what our Founders meant and where they got their convictions from? It's like saying Locke had no influence on Jefferson, which would be ridiculous.

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If one or both of Rubio's parents

were not citizens at the time of his birth, then he is not natural-born and cannot run for president. He will anyway and they'll say you're an anti-Latino racist if you point out his ineligibility.

Rubio is a 'dead horse'

his voting record shows the statist scumbag that he is.

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I think we are being taunted.

Have been for decades. Nearly every one of them has some skeleton in the closet that ought to have kept them out of office, why should next election be any different?

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You are correct

At least according to my understanding. The problem is that Natural born is not defined in US law as far as I have ever seen. The definitions I have seen all stem from english common law which is the contemporary basis of the constitution. Even that has several differing interpretations, however, the way I understand it you must either be born on US (country in question) soil with at least ONE citizen parent, or you could be born anywhere with TWO citizen parents. A more stringent example says both parents must be citizens, and you must be on US soil, but that one seems to not have been widely used at the time. At any rate, you cannot have two foreign nationals as parents and be considered natural born. On the other hand I could see an exception for foreign nationals living under asylum who are undergoing the naturalization process. The point is really thet you should have no allegiance to any foreign power, in Rubios case I think you could argue that effectively. You might argue the same for Obama except it would be hindered by spending a large part of his formative years on foreign soil, and by his father never even attempting to get US citizenship.

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Well what about...

Well what about George Washington? He was not born in the United States and neither were his parents since the USA did not exist at the time of their births.

The legal definition of "natural born" is being born on US soil. That is why Andrew Jackson's place of birth is in dispute. Many think he was born while his mother was on a ship traveling to the USA for the first time making him ineligible to be president so stories were told which are murky and not definitive about his place of birth. To this day, nobody knows where he was born.

If you are born in the USA, you are a natural born citizen. That is the problem with "anchor babies." The question comes up about being born outside the USA like John McCain was in Panama. That is where the questions get tricky.

I can't believe your ignorant comment was upvoted

Yes, ignorant - meaning you have never investigated the issue to give weight to your argument.

If there is no difference between 'natural born citizen' and 'citizen' then why would our Constitution make such a distinction; requiring a President to be a 'natural born citizen' yet requiring Congress to only be 'citizens'?

Stop being lazy, please. Look it up and learn something.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Well ...

George Washington ... really? - Please READ the Constitution before you comment on this thread.
Both of Sen. John McCain parents were US citizens at the time of his birth were they not ? furthermore wasn't he born at a US military base that is defined as US Soil ? No problem at all right there

How ever Obama and Marco both have issues in the natural born citizen department - IMHO

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Sorry. John McCain: Citizen of Panama At Birth. Not Canal Zone.

John McCain: Citizen of Panama At Birth

Yes,"Canal Zone was printed. But where was the hospital?

According to the birth certificate and COLB of John McCain, McCain was born in Colon Hospital, city of Colon, Panama. While the BC states at the top that it is from the “Canal Zone”, the document also states that McCain was born in Colon Hospital, city of Colon. The city of Colon and the hospital were not in the Canal Zone.

The common story you hear is that McCain was born in the Canal Zone, but these documents posted online do not testify to that. Furthermore, there is no official document that has ever surfaced which states that McCain was born in the Canal Zone.
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By their own admissions, neither Mr McC nor Mr O qualify. Sorry.

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McCain was still in question for me

but he Did go before congress to get permission/clearance to run.

So it wasn't as egregious in McCain's case for me as it was for Obama.

McCain got a "sense of the Senate" from two senators & a vote.

Offered by sitting senators. A unanimous consent (vote?) of a few unaccounted senators. Odd haw Senators so often unanimously consent.

A "Sense of the Senate" is a non-binding resolution. Non-sense.

McCain was born on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 to American citizens.

McCain was born in a hospital outside to the Canal Zone. Canal Zone was mentioned at odds with the physical fact of the Hospital being outside of the US controlled Panama Canal Zone.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/john-mcca...
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April 30, 2008

WASHINGTON (Wednesday, April 30, 2008) – The Senate tonight unanimously passed a bipartisan resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that John McCain, a U.S. Senator from Arizona currently serving his fourth term in the Senate....

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No

Natural born means born in the USA regardless of the nationality of ones parents.

WRONG

Defined by the US Supreme court,a "natural born citizen" is someone who was born in the US & both parents were US citizens at the time of birth.

It's not that it does not matter

But those who are supporting Rubio, will use this as a foil, and instead of talking THE ISSUES, which we have, we wind up playing in the mud.