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Had talk with wife and we are asking questions - rightly so.

This is the letter I am sending to our pediatrician in the next week, 3-4 weeks from the expected date of our second child (girl). Please read and any feedback would be awesome. I have thought about including information for them to review as well in support of defensive inoculation.

This letter is to request comprehensive and complete information concerning vaccinations, specifically ingredients within and current schedule of inoculation(s) for newborns to four years of age. Our son is currently a patient of and was a patient of prior and has been since his birth. We are expecting a daughter March 21, 2013 and over the past four years I have educated myself further on vaccinations and their adverse effects, specifically the increase in claims of and links to neurological disorders, immunosuppressive complications and adverse allergic reactions that can arise due to the effects of vaccine ingredients and the methods by which they are derived/harvested/imbedded in the vaccine. We cannot in good conscience subject our daughter to potential risks if there is reason to believe or it is confirmed that the ingredients incorporated within the scheduled vaccinations can unnecessarily and needlessly bring causation for adverse effects that may arise in her, whether immediately upon injection or as may surface conditionally at a later time.

We appreciate your attention to this matter and please know that our request is for the ultimate safety of our child. We would be doing a great disservice to other parents in our situation by not inquiring about the viruses, chemicals and adjuvant ingredients we are allowing our child to be injected with. We would also be negligent if conditions would arise and we had remained silent about the possibilities of how those conditions may have been brought about. Thank you so much for your candidness and professionalism concerning our request and we will be eager to review your response. If you should have any questions please feel free to contact
Genuinely,




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We

found a doctor that listened to our concerns and decided to take a delayed schedule. We also had to fill out special notarized forms for our children's schools that exempted them from having to follow a schedule.

If you have a birth in a hospital the nurses are very eager to poke the babies with vaccinations as soon as they are born. Make sure you have a together birth plan and you stay on top of it. Don't let anyone tell you that you have to submit to vaccinations against your will.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just well-informed

15 minutes after her birth...

Hep B vaccine...we opted out!

Merck is the supplier of vaccinations to my Pediatrician/clinic and after reading the ingredients I'm sick with the fact that these professionals actually advocate the injection of carcinogens, human fetal tissue/albumin, bovine serum, etc into babies..shame, shame, shame!

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Wanna Hear Something Scary?

I know young people that have kids that are on Medicaid and when I tried to warn them about the dangers of getting vaccines they told me that it was required by Medicaid in order to be able to KEEP being on Medicaid or to receive other welfare as well!

skippy

Benefits?

Dependency on an agenda they require you to follow in order to receive "benefits" is not Medical or Health driven...it is about power and conformity...

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

And even the CDC (Center for Distortion Control)

recommended we seek answers as to ingredients and all adverse effects you are aware of, firsthand or through your practice indirectly...

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Dear Justin D Klinkebiel and family,

I do respect you patronizing my business. But since you are a Libertarian, I must be honest. You act as a government clerk. You want me to provide some work/service (info) to you for no pay. The extra work must be done since I have only government regulations and scientific studies at hand - and those are in public domain and you are free to look up yourself. I am already spending 30% of my professional time filling out government forms and those from government regulated insurances. If I were free to practice medicine as I please, you would not do the vaccination if you do not want and I would be just fine with that. I am even fine now with whatever you do or do not do. Send all your grievances to the Surgeon General.

In health,
Dr. Koltar and staff.

Not a Libertarian...

rather, a libertarian.

http://www.dailypaul.com/278882/southern-poverty-law-center-...

And you posted your response from work at 4:07pm - highly doubtful a professional would post on DP from work between child patients.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

In response...

"I do respect you patronizing my business. But since you are a Libertarian, I must be honest. You act as a government clerk. You want me to provide some work/service (info) to you for no pay. The extra work must be done since I have only government regulations and scientific studies at hand - and those are in public domain and you are free to look up yourself. I am already spending 30% of my professional time filling out government forms and those from government regulated insurances. If I were free to practice medicine as I please, you would not do the vaccination if you do not want and I would be just fine with that. I am even fine now with whatever you do or do not do. Send all your grievances to the Surgeon General.

In health,
Dr. Koltar and staff."

Let me say this is a poor attempt to assume an identity, not to mention the inaccuracies contained in the paragraph. I was not patronizing the business of pediatrics, rather questioning and drawing station by the lack of address to a formal and professional letter. I am not a Libertarian! I am unassociated, but find solace and agreement with the tenants of Liberty. I am libertarian, not to be confused with the party. I act as a government clerk only when I accept the title of my all capital-letters-name and in this case I'm acting as a father only. I want you to provide the services my child's visit and repeat visits infer and demand AND that INCLUDES information regarding the injections/ingredients you are administering as a professional in the field of Pediatrics. You are not providing some work/service for no pay, rather your continued pay is directly surmised by the work/service I request as your acting as party to the practice of vaccination.

I understand that scientific studies are free for me to research and I will, but as my child's trusted physician you most certainly are not unaware of opposition to government regulations/sources and government sponsored entities apprised of maintaining the blanket over opposition to such, therefore, do not complain about the demands of the profession you choose when the opportunity to rebel against it in answering honest concerns of your patient's guardians strike face. You are free to practice medicine as you please...it's called Naturopathy or alternative remedial practice and you already said you were fine if we didn't vaccinate, it's just that your demeanor and tone indicate otherwise. And I refuse to send any grievance to an entity that labels cigarettes as life-threatening yet has no capacity or gall to indict the purposeful harm and poisoning of the people who have no label to even read. In health?...if you assist sir, we will be. And you have misspelled you last name as I had done...that seems rather suspicious that you would misspell your own last name and send such an address on behalf of those who are not in any position to address what you yourself attend to firsthand.

Genuinely,

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Update from 3/13/2013

So my wife and I brought up our concerns about vaccine related health risks and the potential health implications brought on by the ingredients in the vaccines themselves...and the response was what I had hoped to not be the case. We were told they are safe. I was asked if the research I was doing was current, which I replied yes. I brought up several different ingredients such as Formaldehyde, Ammonium Sulfate and Human Albumin of lung tissue to a silent uncomfortableness in the room. The pediatrician said the vaccines they used were from Merck and that was the most information we received in order to do more research on the Merck site directly. I will be printing off the inserts of all the vaccines they are using provided by Merck for file purposes and find it odd that the pediatrician couldn't tell me any ingredients in the vaccines he himself administers, rather that I had to research Merck directly to get answers and only because he happened to mention which Pharma/Vaccine provider they use. He mentioned 2-3 times they have no preservatives, but never mentioned what they do contain, which is a greater concern than preservatives, although a slight relief.

He did ultimately state several times it is OUR choice and that he recommends the standard schedule even when we brought up the Sears schedule and alternate schedules/no vaccines.

Ultimately he seemed uncomfortable and even at one point could be heard sighing at our questions...my wife and I were not very impressed with the lack of conversation our questions invoked.

Press on DP'ers...ask, ask, ask and question, research, scrutinize everything...the education alone iis enlightening and can nurture the wisdom you seek.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Of course he said there's no preservatives!!

...and the chinese restaurant down on the corner doesn't use MSG either! LOL If you and your physician read the labels on the viles or the vile cartons...it will not mention Thymerisol(sp.?),the preservative containing mercury that's been so widely used. My point is, don't believe the labels...your doctor cannot guarantee what is or is not in the vile.

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

exactly MY point all along...

why does anybody go blindly into the injection of chemicals into their children when the Physicians do not even at VERY LEAST sign a Warranty of Vaccine Safety? Who the HELL is liable for my child's well-being if not the professionals who have our supposed trust? What a god-damn joke!

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Find a new pediatrician.

I am so tired of these people 'sighing' and acting like we 'uneducated' ones are a bother to them. They run a business and as far as I can tell a business needs customers.

A doctor who will not respect research and keep on top of modern medicine should find another profession. But, alas, the hippocratic oath is dead an buried...reminds me of the way Congress treats the Constitution.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Still no response a week later..

that is poor response time and looks unprofessional of someone we are entrusting with our child's health...or, he is just too busy to respond?

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

So you're requesting the "Why Vaccines are Great" brochure?

Why not just tell the doctor "no thanks" when vaccines come up? That's what we did and they respect it. My daughter will be 3 in May and has never received a shot.

No...my hope, naive as it may be...

is that the pediatrician will validate and honor my concerns and those of the CDC in providing information on both sides in order that a dignified and honest discussion and decision may be made...I will let you know that any ingredient (and I have researched this quite abit) that may pose a threat to my child's safety and health will not be injected...thank you for your post fellow Patriot!

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

As of today...

the letter was delivered at the Pediatric office by myself as I was there to have my son checked out for a lingering cough...I hope ton get a response soon. I'll keep you all updated.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

FINAL REVISION...LOVE TO YOU ALL!

Dear Dr. Koletar and appropriate staff,

I would like to start by thanking you and your staff for the care you have given to our son in the last year or so. I have not had the opportunity to meet with Dr. Koletar myself but was able on several occasions to meet with his prior pediatrician Dr. Baskin. I look forward to meeting with you and your staff over the next several years and am presenting this letter as notice and courtesy that we are expecting our second child March 21, 2013. Our disposition is that you and your staff continue as our children’s pediatrician and feel that it is important to convey our concerns and interests to you for the sole purpose of their safety.

This letter is to request comprehensive information concerning vaccinations, specifically ingredients within and current schedule of inoculation(s) for newborns to four years of age. As mentioned above, we are expecting a daughter March 21, 2013 and over the past four years I have educated myself further on vaccinations and their adverse effects, specifically the increase in claims of and links to neurological disorders, immunosuppressive complications and adverse allergic reactions that can arise due to the effects of vaccine ingredients and the methods by which they are derived/harvested/imbedded in the vaccine. We cannot in good conscience subject our second child to potential risks if there is reason to believe or it is confirmed that the ingredients incorporated within the scheduled vaccinations can unnecessarily and needlessly bring causation for adverse effects that may arise in her, whether immediately upon injection or as may surface conditionally at a later time.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have recommended via their website that we as parents inquire as to what chemical additives and ingredients are in the vaccines to be administered under the current inoculation schedule. It is further suggested that we inquire about all ingredients in the vaccine and any or all adverse reactions known or that have been documented, therefore we are inquiring under their guidance as well. It is already apparent from CDC resources that vaccines can include common substances such as Aluminum, Antibiotics, Egg Protein, Formaldehyde, MSG and Thimerosal, this information being current as of February 21, 2013. Another suggestive point is that children with a prior history of allergic reactions to any of the substances in vaccines, we as parents should consult our children’s healthcare provider/pediatrician before vaccination occurs. And so again, we are being diligent in communicating our concerns as well as theirs, because as is the case with a newborn we cannot know a prior history of allergies to the substances in the vaccines when they have yet to be exposed to them.

We are contemplating an alternative vaccination schedule but at the same time we may reserve our rights to file a religious exemption to those vaccinations we feel may solicit and temper a health risk in our children. We hope that our wishes for alternatives do not deter or inhibit us from the privileges and services provided by you and your staff. I have enclosed a separate vaccine liability contract in order that we are able to maintain a forthright and transparent relationship with your clinic. As you may know Oregon recognizes parent-signed exemptions from vaccine requirements for religious reasons. “Religion” is defined in Oregon Administrative Rule 333-050-0010 as any system of beliefs, practices or ethical values. We truly appreciate your attention to this matter and please know that our request is for the ultimate safety of our children as I’m confident your response will honor such concerns.

I’m sure you understand that we would be doing a disservice to other parents in our situation by not inquiring about the chemicals and ingredients we are allowing our child to be injected with. Thank you so much for your professionalism concerning our request and we will be eager to review your response.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Klinker, I just shortened

Klinker, I just shortened this up by a whole bunch. You had a bunch of weird stuff up top because you seemed unsure of who would be reading the letter. You can cut that all out. You also have a bunch of repetitive stuff, which I cut. You also went into legal stuff that is of no concern to a pediatrician. You don't have to get any vaccines you don't want at the clinic. It's only when you enroll your child in school that vaccination records are required. It is the school district that may require an exemption form. You're asking the ped dr. for info and advice. No need to reference laws and go on about your worries. He'll know. A shorter, less wandering letter, will encourage the clinic and this doctor to respond.

Dear Dr. Koletar,

I'd like to thank the staff of xyz and your predecessor , Dr. Baskin, for the care you've given my son in the last year.

Our next child is expected in less than a month, and I look forward to meeting you.

In the meantime, my wife and I have some concerns about the vaccination schedule and specific vaccines. We'd like to address these before the birth.

I've been researching claims of vaccine links to neurological disorders, immunosuppressive complications and adverse allergic reactions. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that parents inquire as to what chemical additives and ingredients are in the vaccines to be administered under the current inoculation schedule as well as known and documented adverse reactions.

We wish to be diligent parents and are requesting written documentation about the ingredients and known side effects of the vaccines scheduled for our child's first four years as well as information about alternative vaccination schedules. Moreover, we would appreciate your advice and expertise on the subject.

Thank you in advance for your efforts and attention. We look forward to having you as our new pediatrician.

thank you...

considered and will be revised...

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

PLEASE READ MY FINAL LETTER...

Posted here as well...

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Revised letter for secondary review...

I would like to start by thanking you and your staff for the care and consideration you have given to our son in the last year or so. I have not had the opportunity to meet with Dr. Koletar myself but was able on several occasions to meet with his prior pediatrician Dr. Baskin. I look forward to meeting with you and your staff over the next several years and am presenting this letter as notice and courtesy that we are expecting our second child March 21, 2013. Our disposition is that you and your staff continue as our children’s pediatrician and feel that it is important to convey our concerns and interests to you for the sole purpose of their safety.

This letter is to request comprehensive information concerning vaccinations, specifically ingredients within and current schedule of inoculation(s) for newborns to four years of age. As mentioned above, we are expecting a daughter March 21, 2013 and over the past four years I have educated myself further on vaccinations and their adverse effects, specifically the increase in claims of and links to neurological disorders, immunosuppressive complications and adverse allergic reactions that can arise due to the effects of vaccine ingredients and the methods by which they are derived/harvested/imbedded in the vaccine. We cannot in good conscience subject our second child to potential risks if there is reason to believe or it is confirmed that the ingredients incorporated within the scheduled vaccinations can unnecessarily and needlessly bring causation for adverse effects that may arise in her, whether immediately upon injection or as may surface conditionally at a later time.

We are contemplating an alternative vaccination schedule but at the same time we may reserve our rights to file a religious exemption to those vaccinations we feel may solicit and temper a health risk in our children. We hope that our wishes for alternatives do not deter or inhibit us from the privileges and services provided by you and your staff. I have enclosed a separate vaccine liability contract in order that we are able to maintain a forthright and transparent relationship with your clinic. As you may know Oregon recognizes parent-signed exemptions from vaccine requirements for religious reasons. “Religion” is defined in Oregon Administrative Rule 333-050-0010 as any system of beliefs, practices or ethical values. We truly appreciate your attention to this matter and please know that our request is for the ultimate safety of our children as I’m confident your response will honor such concerns.

I’m sure you understand that we would be doing a disservice to other parents in our situation by not inquiring about the chemicals and ingredients we are allowing our child to be injected with. Thank you so much for your professionalism concerning our request and we will be eager to review your response.

Much love to you all and any further advice would be most welcome as this will be sent within 2-3 days.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Draft of Vaccine Liability Contract...

The purpose of this contract is twofold. It is fundamentally serving as notice that if any doctor(s) and or nurse(s) or other qualified staff force any vaccine upon our child ........, him/her/they acting under qualified title will become liable if our child becomes ill from that vaccination at any time in her life. The other purpose is to set a precedent of trust and communication between you and your staff and us as the parents.

Please return this vaccine liability contract to the address indicated on the letter enclosed. Thank you again for your time and consideration of this important matter.

x-----------------------------------------

Doctor so-and-so

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Be Strong!

While you're at it, don't fillout a social security application. You may get hassled, but it is voluntary. Tell them to show you the law. Of course they can't.

If you get hassledabout vaccinations, just tell them that you will be happy to vaccinate your child if the doctor or nurse or hospital administering the vaccine will indemnify you ine writing against any harm and expense that may come as a result of the vaccination. They'll say no and you walk.

Getting out of the birth certificate is another good idea. But particularly in hospitals that can take a special kind of stamina to resist. They may try to hold you hostage, in a bureaucratic manner, if you don't fill out human chattle certificate.

Good luck.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Do not let your baby out of your sight!

If you choose to have the baby at a hospital/birthing center, do not let that baby out of your sight, even for one second. Twice, my sister and her husband opted out of the vaccinations, and both times the hospital vaccinated the boys, then came crying to my sister, claiming it was a "mistake" of a student nurse, and extorted her into signing the consent forms ex post facto. One time, I would have believed it was a mistake, but twice? No, they will do whatever they can to get those kids vaccinated. Just a heads up. God Bless!

Don't send it...

Heck skip the pediatrician and hospital altogether. Homebirth, homeschool, chiropractors or natural drs. ONLY, ER if you really need it. Not just shootin' from the hip here, I have done it 10 times and wouldn't have it any other way. BTW we need to "get" some chicken pox...anybody...anybody...
People are always commenting on how healthy my children are, they are often shocked. Very cool.

PS Good to be prepared by looking into state laws, we have a philisophical exemption in PA and use it often. And keep it on the down low, no one needs to know your kids health status, esp. nosy relatives!!!!

Due to complications...

with our first delivery we really do not feel comfortable having a home birth, instead we are utilizing 4 midwives and are considering a water-birth naturally. We are satisfied with our pediatrician so far but I am sending the letter to better test the compatibility factor. Already looked up Oregon Immunization Laws and there is a Religious exemption which we can take, which funny enough the definition of Religion could have literally nothing to do with God, rather philosophical or other beliefs. The suggestion for a natural doctor is considered and I appreciate your input FIL (friend-in-liberty).

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

God bless you--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

wrong spot

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hate to burst your bubble

but altho you may voluntary choose to opt your daughter out of receiving a vaccine, its likely they wont let your daughter leave the hospital unless she is vaccinated. you'll have to check your state laws.

His name is Edward Snowden

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