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I Started Carrying Today. I Didn't Ask Permission.

It is my hope to actually say this one day, but I'd like to be a little more educated on the "legal" consequences before doing so. Also, I don't have a concealable handgun yet, and honestly, I've yet to muster up the courage to defy the State in this regard. (I'm ashamed!)

If we all just quit asking for permission from the State to do things, their relevance would fade a lot more quickly.

I realize every state is different, but generally speaking, if you defend yourself or someone else with lethal force while carrying a firearm "illegally" in the eyes of state bureaucrats, can you get in trouble?

What are some of the biggest concerns about carrying a firearm without a permit?

UPDATE: I guess I knew about this option, but it slipped my mind:

www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/forms/chl-16.pdf#page=42

Sounds like I'm okay as long as it's completely concealed and in, or in route to, my vehicle. It's not clear about if I'm returning to my home from my vehicle.

PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1)on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2)inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly,
or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor
vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's
control at any time in which:
(1)the handgun is in plain view; or
(2)the person is:
(A)engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B)prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C)a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 70.01.

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What I meant by risks -

are the "risks" of doing something that is considered "unlawful" and "illegal" such as carrying a concealed handgun without a CCL. The "risks" of actually getting caught and getting charged with a felony and possibly having to pay a fine, and/or spend time in jail - as opposed to the "risks" of NOT carrying a concealed handgun(out of FEAR of breaking the law) and then when/if needing said handgun - NEEDLESSLY "risking" the lives of your loved ones or self. That's what I meant by the comparison of "risks" and "consequences".

The 2nd amendment should be everyone's CCL. Not some piece of paper manufactured by the government with the sole purpose of generating funds and control. However, FEAR of stiff fines/penalties, and jail hold citizens back. These people should weigh those fears of punishment by the government for "non-compliance" against the FEAR of losing their loved one's lives or their own for not carrying when/if needed.

Nothing to do with fingerprint taking. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

ok

I was just wondering if anyone else had thought of these implications of fingerprinting (biometrics)

I started crying today and didn't ask either

I bought some saddle bags for a neighborhood dog that comes hiking with us up into the snake infested mountains. I keep a 38 with snake shot in the bag, a snake bite kit, and water. whose "person" is that? The gun is not registered and the dog doesn't even have a leash?

Is

Premises under your control your own body. I am sure your body would be part of this. Sounds like there is a war for the meaning of words here

you're on to something

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Man, I sincerely admire and applaud to your courage

Man, I sincerely admire and applaud to your courage, in these times...

I wish WE ALL could have the same as yours.

But I mean... just saying:

be VERY careful for yourself... in the presence of some cops...

Who DO NOT EVEN KNOW about your Constitution AND/OR State Laws, and CAN BE, BY THEIR MENTAL, DANGEROUS TO EVERYBODY.

You may know exactly what you're doing.

But remember NOT EVERYONE DOES these days. :(

I cannot comment beyond that.

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Haha!

I was thinking the same thing! But thanks for both of y'alls comments!

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lol. Thanks for the hint. Okay, but still...

lol. Thanks for the hint. Okay, but still... Before going for action....

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Anytime buddy, and you're right, you have to be very careful

and "WHEN POSSIBLE", take the steps to keep you out of trouble. On the flip side of that, I wrote this:

http://www.dailypaul.com/275418/i-started-carrying-today-i-d...

It may be a hard thought to swallow because we've been so conditioned to be "law-abiding" citizens and NOT question authority, but if something were to ever happen where you needed it.....I just would hate for anyone to live a lifetime full of regret and think back and say, "I should've, could've".

I'm sure you've already seen this lady speak about her thoughts on this issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis

Well, at least I can legally carry one in my car w/o a CHL

It's a start.

www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/forms/chl-16.pdf#page=42

Sounds like I'm okay as long as it's completely concealed and in my car.

PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1)on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2)inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly,
or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor
vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's
control at any time in which:
(1)the handgun is in plain view; or
(2)the person is:
(A)engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B)prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C)a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 70.01.

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You've probably seen Suzanna Huff /Gratia

on more than one occasion already, but you may want to consider learning from others' mistakes/regrets. SAME example of "legally" being able to have it in your vehicle in Texas.

Good luck whatever you decide.

It is nobody's effing business what is in your pocket.

No reason to be ashamed at all. Government does not have the authority to prevent you from doing so. However, I do not carry in business that post signs as I respect property rights.

I strongly agree with others that you should practice as often as possible. Since you said you do not already have a concealable weapon, I would suggest a "Chief's Special," which many police carry on an ankle as a backup weapon. I have a 32, but they are rare and ammunition is expensive. They also come in 22 and 38 caliber. I really do not consider caliber all that important, an assailant is not going to care what size round is being removed from his testicles. However, since my "Chief's Special" is hammerless and has no safety, I keep an empty chamber under the trigger, as I can pull off two rounds faster than unlocking a safety, in any event.

The caliber of the target, not the gun

Funny you should mention the caliber. I've been thinking of getting a gun for protection of myself and my stock. After reading of the lady putting 6 shots into a man who broke in coming after her and her children and it didn't stop him, wondered what to get!
After reading your post realized, it isn't the number of bullets, it's where you aim! [laughing]

Deekey

Be sure you also study up on

Be sure you also study up on and practice what to do in the event you use your gun and what to do if your gun is seen by someone who then calls the police.

There's lots of great advice out there -- from making sure police dispatchers know you have a gun on some bad guy before police come on the scene and think you're the bad guy to carrying in a way that doesn't show and scare people into calling the policy. There's lots of things to think about and train for aside from just target practice.

Good luck.

At least go to the gun range

Get educated on your weapon and how to use it. It does no good to carry a weapon if you're going to freeze up due to ignorance of the weapon.

I also agree with the other users; get a CHL.

Get a CHL

If you are ok with registering yourself with the state. They will mugshot you and fingerprint you and enter you into the fusion center database here in Austin. Good idea to take the class, i did. But I never registered. I now know the laws pertaining to carrying a gun and under what circumstances I may use it to defend myself/family/property...but I never sent in my paperwork. Its legal to carry in my car, and I have a boss that allows me to carry at work.

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Amen to that

This is exactly what we need.... a mass exodus from unconstitutional laws.

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Word!

In agreement with you 100%! I do get to the range for shooting rifles. I just don't own a handgun at this time. I'm in the market!

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Yes

If we all just quit asking for permission from the State to do things, their relevance would fade a lot more quickly.

And then imagine that if you go to trial, a well educated jury nullifies the charge against you. Woot! That is when we know that the tide has completely turned.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

I wonder if our law makers ever discuss that?

I can imagine a closed door meeting in congress, discussing some new law restricting our liberties and wondering if we will obey it? They must at some time have questioned the peoples passivity accepting the laws and have discussed their fear of a massive act of civil disobedience. The gun control bill is getting us very close to that point.

Open carry

Isn't open carry leagal in Texas? Why not just put it on your hip?

I dont know of anywhere in Texas

that open carry is legal. :(

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although i agree with the people who have been open carrying ...

in youtube videos to protest in a sort to get people to change their perspectives about guns. in most everyday situations people will just freak out all the time that you are carrying and call the cops and you will most likely just end up spending a lot of time talking to cops. if you dont care about that and want to talk to cops have at it. i believe that in some places in texas you cannot open carry though legally.

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Open carry is not legal

At least not here in Houston. Doubly so if you choose not to get a CHL.

For legality's sake, you need a CHL and CONCEALED carry.

We can't even have open containers anymore, much less open carry

The weapon cannot be visible or discernible through ordinary observation. Texas Penal Code prohibits carrying the handgun in plain view. CHL holders may be subject to criminal charges for carrying a handgun in plain view.

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gee

I completely forgot about open containers. Thank you for the wake up reminder.

Where has that got us?

I grew up in Texas and every pickup in the town parked on main street had a rifle and a shotgun in a gun rack and the windows were left down (hot here in Texas) and the doors weren't locked.

At school that started Sept, 1st, the same day as dove season, every kid had his shotgun in the trunk waiting for the final bell to ring.

Yep, we had disagreements and fist fights like all kids do, but NOBODY settled it with a gun.

Back then, the coach would put gloves on you so you wouldn't hurt each other, but still get your frustrations out and learn about life.

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