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The Republican "civil war" - down here

Folks....this is what it looks like down here, where the rubber meets the road; between two working stiffs....arguing about what men have ALWAYS argued about for millennia...

Hopefully you saw my 9/11 argument with my friend of 25+ years, that took place on President's Day...that'll will give you all the background you need to understand how strained and contentious the friendship was already BECAUSE I wouldn't come his way one centimeter from my Ron Paul revolution perspective.

Well, no surprise here; although we have exchanged a few texts and voicemails in subsequent days, he just wants to crawl in his turtle shell now, and avoid anymore challenges to his patriotism, his understanding, his future intentions regarding what I demand he do for the good of my prodigy, his nieces and nephews, and all Americans who cannot vote now, and those not yet born.

The following is our "final" text exchange(but, I trust he'll be back for more)...

He starts: "Time for me to get my s@it together. And I am a long way from it. I am done trying to give you "lectures" on history."

I respond; " You're still disconnected from reality...does admiring Abraham Lincoln's self education mean United States foreign policy is right? Was Andrew Jackson WRONG to risk his life in not renewing the bank charter? How did.Abraham Lincoln finance the civil war? What is it you want to "school" me on? Central Banking is never oppressive on the people's of a country?? Tell that to the Egyptians! Tell me what Qadafi did wrong, and why we arbitrarily decided to kill him....tell me why the CIA won't show us photos of a dead Osama Bin Lasen after the raid? Because it will spark another Benghazi? I'm kicking your ass a day long...your right-wing talk radio guys are all a LIARS, they supportsthe oligarchy because it's good for business; they're not interested in educating anyone!"

He quits...saying " (1/4) I engross myself now in Hillsdale, Medved etc. And retire to a life of quiet seclusion. Reading the classics and diligently "tending to my fields". (2/4) Doing my best to obey the just laws of God and man while doing no harm to my neighbor and respecting his right to worship as he sees fit. Much like (3/4) Washington. Thank God for our free and prosperous country. I now officially disengage from all contententious debates on religion, politics, and culture (4/4) and allow you to take such matters to the "court of public opinion." God bless.

My final challenge; " You're naive and in denial about this nation's deliberate path since JFK; beginning with yanking the Bible from the public school classroom by the Supreme Court; who sided withwith only 3% of public opinion...it was deliberate, and it has led precisely to THIS benevolent dictatorship..."

So...in accordance with Luke 6:45 that says: "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh"...I give you my "drive-time" thoughts.


There is something abrewing here folks....they're trying to lull us back to sleep...I hope you're as fired up and intent on fighting back with every fiber of your patriotic being as I am!
We can't take this lying down....we can't "give it to them", nor can we seek to profit off it either personally, financially by applying the sickening compromise "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"....they're killing this nation right before our eyes, they've taken the mind of my well-meaning friend captive; my spirit is aroused greatly, and I am incensed and determined to fight it!

I hope I am inspiring some of you....

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robot999's picture

Cognitive Dissonance

move on to more productive fields. YOu will be much more satisfied and happy in your life. I lost what I thought was my best friend this way.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa


You are not abrasive, but you are long winded and speaking to the choir :-)

I have had similar arugments with many people. You can provide history, pertinent facts, ideology, etc.. very little gets through.

Perhaps a change of strategy is in order. I have had some take a few steps back in disbelief:

Do not get into lectures. When in disagreement, keep it short, chuckle, and accuse them of thinking like a democrat. True conservatives, Republicans, absolutely hate that and causes them to go home and think. Also mention that you have a suspicion that a member of congress or senate may be a democrat that has run on a R ticket just to get elected.

It may take time, but you are under the impression that 2016 is a long way off, so there ya go.

Hit me with a PM, we can talk.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

"very little gets through"

...ain't that the truth!

(I guess that's what makes him good "target practice"; helps me to make my arguments more concise, for the next guy!)

In all honesty

If you're not on a GOP central committee get on one and bring it home.

I don't knock your arguments, they're great.

I knock your arena.

Is this really your friend?

Because your friend is reaching out to you, afraid, and your attacks are not bringing him to reality with the FORCE YOU FEEL and put on him, but as you say, he's retreating.

It's time to show some LOVE, peace and happiness.. support what you agree with. Find a way to agree with some things. IF this is your friend. Bring some happiness into his life.

God bless both of you.

my friend, here, ...

...was given the blow-by-blow of my 2008 run for state representative in Michigan; I was with him in his home the night Obama got elected while I was also fielding phone calls from the Monroe Evening News....when the vote total came in, and I told him I had gotten 1224 votes, he was the guy telling me I had gotten 1,000 more than I should have because we're just a fading populist movement, with Alex Jones as our only media outlet....

So, I have been more than forgiving and patient...things are so much worse now that Ron Paul, and us, have been summarily dismissed and so marginalized on the national scene TWICE; it's time to take the gloves off....

He has told me numerous times, "if you run for office here"(in both of ours' hometown), "I will expose you as a 9/11 truther...because... You guys are dangerous!!"

What do we do with that? First of all, I say KNOW what our enemies have in store for us if we keep it up!

It may very well be too late now

but have you tried asking him to place himself as somebody who has lost someone in 9/11, say his children/spouse? Has he seen the undeniable "facts" that contradict the government's(official) story - all of them? What were his thoughts on the Gulf of Tonkin, and have those views changed since it occurred (considering it wasn't before his time)?

In case he hasn't seen a 9/11 "truther" documentary, don't just send him a link to one. It's important that you sit down and watch it with him together, and to pause the film as you go over the different points brought up. The accusations/questions that are brought up in the film may not be answered, but the governments version is certainly doubtful and no less ridiculous. Let those doubts grow in his mind and he may eventually start to question. Good luck.

We end the friendship respectablly as possible

Dear old friend, I will remember what I liked about you always. I see we are going in differenct political directions, and am aware you do not apporove in my interests (such as 911 Truth), so I am going to give you the break you seem to need. I leave you in good thoughts and wishing you all the best.

Signed your ex friend.

And then you get on a central committee and have fun.

Those who do not seek Truth

do not seek God, for God is Truth. You cannot know one without the other.

John 14:6
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life"

John 8:32
"If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

John 18:37
“You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

All 3 above were spoken by Christ.

John 16:13
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

John 4:24
"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."<-------

John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.