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The Science Delusion

Rupert Sheldrake at TEDxWhitechapel
The science delusion is the belief that science already understands the nature of reality, in principle. The fundamental questions are answered, leaving only the details to be filled in. The impressive achievements of science seemed to support this confident attitude. But recent research has revealed unexpected problems at the heart of physics, cosmology, biology, medicine and psychology. Dr Rupert Sheldrake shows how the sciences are being constricted by assumptions that have hardened into dogmas. Should science be a belief-system, or a realm of enquiry? Sheldrake argues that science would be better off without its dogmas: freer, more interesting and more fun.

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Agree

We cant know so its axiomatic. So its a dogma. There are voices in science that contest-- Leibniz (monads)

I have had two experinces where someone close to me died

I knew it at the time, even though I was miles away and there was no reason to have had prior knowledge. I don't have any clue as to how that can happen, but I know it does.

assumptions that have hardened into dogmas

Exactly. Science is about the facts...often shoulders are shrugged because there are no facts yet the assumption is still adhered to as if proven.

That is BAD science.

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Never judge a book by its cover...

I'd been avoiding this thread, thinking it was a religious rant. My bad. Great post. Carry on.

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"All theories must be

"All theories must be fallible"
Karl Popper, member of original Mt.Pelerin society.

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Untrue

"The science delusion is the belief that science already understands the nature of reality, in principle."

No scientist believes this.

The difference between science and Christianity is that the theories of science change as new truths are relieved and Christianity clings to the disproved superstitions of ancient shepherds.

Isn't it ironic that Sharpsteve (sic) used the technology of science ( ICs, quantum physics etc. (read computers and the internet) to convey his message? Why didn't his god simply make sharpsteve's thoughts as expressed in his posting known to all? I would have said why didn't sharpsteve (sic) simply pray to the skyman but that would presume that skyman is not omniscient and needs input from humans.

some of the greatest

some of the greatest scientists were Christians, and religious organizations were the first to establish universities and promote scientific research, you're awfully judgemental about Christians and don't seem to realize what a huge part they played in promoting science as if the two can't coincide in your narrow mind, consider losing your own dogmatic views so you can see more clearly and leave your own superstitions behind

No scientist...

...believes the dogma of fixed speed of light, gravitational constant, etc? I remember asking the same questions of some of my profs, as what this gentleman was asking of the metrologists. Their answers seemed to boil down to it being because they or their textbook said so. They looked at me like I was a heretic for even daring to ask the question.

Also, I think you underestimate the flux in theological thinking within various faiths. The Reformation wasn't that long ago really. Theories are often refined or discarded as new information from archaeology, etc. emerges. Both shepherds and scientists are equally capable of preaching 'orthodoxies' and trying to root out 'heretics'. White coats and labs don't make the latter immune from this.

Agree, Mbennett

"The theories of science change as new truths are relieved..."
What is more, "new truths" mostly only adjust the old theories in terms of precision. Only old theories that dont not have confirmation from experiments yet are replaced completely.

No true scientist anyway.

No true scientist anyway.

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did you watch the vid?

had nothing to do with god and christianity. so what is your prob?

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So true. I just experienced a

So true. I just experienced a form of it today when I took my son to the neurologist. The guy was so full of his science based dogmas that he had nothing to offer, no medical curiosity past the scientific journals, absolutely undistinguished and uninquisitive, and not worth his salt as a practitioner. The guy is just punching a clock and working for the HMO doing routine exams. He also went on to tell me how great vaccinations are and I was waiting for him to back it up with all the peer reviewed double blind research...but I knew he couldn't because there is none. This is all we get from any type of doctor or department at the HMO. I get the same treatment on every health issue for anyone in my family unless it is a trauma type issues -something they are actually good at.

In medicine, first they dominated the field by regulating licenses and then they regulated substances. They forced all alternative thought out to the sidelines and replaced with their own snake oil. I honestly have not heard of alopathic medicine curing anyone I know of anything. I can't think of a single thing they have cured beyond bacterial infections...and even those antibiotics are starting to be ineffective.

They are selling us snake oil and so you are right, we should be skeptical of their brand of science.

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Medical Doctors are Practitioners, Not Scientists.

On top of that, Medical Doctors are not free to practice what they want or know to be true. They practice only what has been approved. For example, currently it is illegal to "cure" cancer in the United States. You need to leave the country to get a cure because no "cure" has been approved in the U.S.

Most doctors know nothing but clinical dogma

You should only go to University hospitals. Outside of this a good doctor is an outlier. Even universities half the doctors are bad because they are in training. Go to a really good university hospital for proper care.