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Apple Inc. is Anti-Liberty in Every Way

I was recently downvoted on a post where a video was posted as an iTunes exclusive when I said I refused to download Apple's garbageware to watch the video. I realize many of us at the DP still do not know how anti-liberty Apple really is. I suppose I should elaborate for the Apple protectionists out there. The simple idea of being an 'exclusive' medium for an advertisement sounds exactly like Apple. That is not the only reason I will not support this company, there are MANY that have slowly formed over the years.

1. Apple is a bully to its users, and its developers. I am a developer by trade. Apple has repeatedly used their terms of service to restrict what kinds of apps we are allowed to develop for their platform in order to protect their own stock apps from competition. They have been forced to relent a bit on this but trust me this was not by choice.

2. When Apple files for patents like this one it helps illustrate their corporate personality, and their position on freedom. It allows the government to remotely shut down all iphone cameras within range of a kill signal. This can be used at protests for example: http://www.zdnet.com/apple-patent-could-remotely-disable-pro...

3. Proprietary connectivity for no real reason is immoral and anti-competitive. It is legal, however it certainly isn't 'free' as in freedom. It is another form of a digital cage. Apple forces you to purchase new chargers and accessories from one device to the next. This practice is purely for profit. This is something the rest of the industry has finally stopped doing after standards have become accepted... except of course for Apple.

4. They absolutely abuse the concept of intellectual property (which I personally believe should be completely dissolved - this is like saying you can patent a mathematical equasion). You should ne be able to patent round rectangles for example. Apple is suing dozens of companies at this very moment, all for intellectual property disputes. For more on why I fundimentally disagree with this, watch this short documentary on IP: http://patentabsurdity.com/watch.html

5. Apple bundles lots of extra crap into all of its windows software (hence the garbageware comment). iTunes installed loads of background services which are completely unrelated to iTunes and start every time you tun on your computer. iTunes is a resource hog, it is intentionally crippled to 'lock' you into Apple products / services / multimedia formats. They want all music to be loaded with DRM, and they are happy to completely wipe out your music collection if you aren't careful. Some of it you can remove during installation, some of it you cannot.

6. They use the 'American Company' routine to encourage 'patriotic purchases', but in truth staffing, component purchases, assembly, etc. are primarily outsourced. For example, one of their chief rivals, South Korean Samsung provides more jobs in the US than Apple does. Read more: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2012/08/28/samsung-better-for-ameri...

7. Worker conditions seem to be unimportant to Apple when it comes to foreign employees. It farms out its labor to China where workers are clearly not doing very well. In fact, after a series of worker suicides at the factory the company has installed suicide nets, and imposed strict anti suide policies. How do you get people to stop killing themselves? We all know the answer to that is more rules and restrictions right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

8. Apple conspires with major companies to keep prices artificially high. They did it with music, then movies and tv shows, and even ebooks: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/11/business/la-fi-tn-eb...

9. Hackintoshes being 'illegal' is BS. If I buy their software, and build my own computer... how can it be illegal for me to put that software I purchased on the hardware I purchased??? Well, according to Apple's TOS it is, and if you try it they will sue the iCrap out of you like they did to one local company here in south FL called Psystar a few years back: http://www.techspot.com/news/48604-psystar-loses-latest-appe...

I could literally go on and on listing the disgusting business practices of this company. What I cannot figure out is why most people seem to have no idea (or not care), even a community as well informed as this one. Are there any others out there who understand where I'm coming from here?



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Don't like Apple? Don't buy

Don't like Apple? Don't buy Apple products.

Not buying their products may not be enough

Not buying German products during the Nazi regime wouldn't have stopped Hitler. Not saying Apple(and multinationals in general) equate to Nazism, at least not yet. Globalization is taking us on a trip toward global tyranny and multinationals are driving the car. Check out this post on unalienable rights and the free market.

http://www.dailypaul.com/275602

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

But you are saying that.

But you are saying that. That's EXACTLY what you are implying. Your post has no other purpose! And it's an ABSURD comparison!

No, I'm saying this...

If you want to be informed about Apple's partnership with China's totalitarian regime, check out this link to a Congressional hearing on human rights abuse in China. After listening to the testimony of Chinese wives whose husbands have been tortured and imprisoned, get back to me.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=115

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

But Microsoft is no better.

Bill Gates and his wife are committed globalists who financially back mass vaccination of poor people, and support population control.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Linux...

Linux is better, though.

I

I agree.

http://www.dailypaul.com/275602 (rights in a free market)

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

With the possible exception

With the possible exception of intellectual property concerns, none of your gripes with Apple involve any kind of initiation of force. This puts Apple in a completely different category from a governmental regime hellbent on the initiation of force against its citizens.

You're denying reality

There's but a few degrees of separation between multinationals and fascistic governments, including the US and China. What do think President Eisenhower was referring to when he warned us about the military industrial complex?

http://www.dailypaul.com/275602

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I'm quite sure he was NOT

I'm quite sure he was NOT talking about a corporation that makes non-essential goods such as iPads that people can choose to buy or not to buy, but was in fact talking about corporations that sell weapons of destruction (mass or otherwise) to governments to enact war or suppress populations.

Again, you're denying reality

Eisenhower warned about the threat posed by ever increasing consolidation of power, not specific to defense, that's why it's called the military INDUSTRIAL complex. Apple eptiomizes that threat and their technology is used by terrorists, including defense contractors public and private.

http://www.dailypaul.com/275602

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I believe that

stating that terrorists use Apple computers so then Apple is anti-liberty is reaching a bit, no?

I think that many of us can dig deep and pick apart the practices of many corporations. Evil and Globalism are the norm for most highly successful mega-corporations. The only way around it is to make your own stuff, I guess.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

I'm not saying Apple is anti liberty because....

terrorists use their products. I know Apple is anti liberty because they've partnered up with China's brutal totalitarian regime, not that US leaders are much better but they don't yet systematically torture free speech advocates like China's ruling Communist Party. Don't take my word for it, check out this link to a Congressional hearing on human rights abuse in China.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=115
http://www.dailypaul.com/275602 (rights in a free market)

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I think it is a losing battle regarding China

Take a look at most consumer goods. The American people (and WalMart) have partnered up with China's brutal totalitarian regime by buying Chinese-made goods of all kinds. I understand your frustration, but Apple's policies and practices are just symptoms of the mess this world is in. I don't think they are any worse than Microsoft or any other mega corp. If you want to rant about anti-liberty corporations, then rant against Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, etc. They're at the top of the food chain. To them, companies like Apple are small potatoes.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Poor Apple, they're a victim of circumstances

Regarding Apple not being any worse than Microsoft, etc., we exhanged views on that a few comments ago and I agree with you.

But the American people have partnered up with China because they shop at ChiMart? Where else are they going to shop after the financial crisis robbed 11 Trillion of household wealth and retirement savings like some day trade gone bad. Then throw in the Fed's devaluing of the dollar and resulting price increase of consumer goods. It won't be long before average folk can't afford ChiMart's prices. Coincidence? I don't think so, it's all part of the plan to squeeze America while subsidizing totalitarian China, the new home of a Globalized Military Industrial Complex.

And Too Big To Fail banks, I've got some posts in the Economy Forum dealing with that. The Congressional Budget Office says it will cost taxpayers 8.6 Trillion to prop up failing banks. Here's the video clip, it's about 3 minutes.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3343308

Check out my posts on the banks at:
http://www.dailypaul.com/274979
http://www.dailypaul.com/274875

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

We play our parts because we are left with few choices.

Sadly, we all contribute to boosting China's economy, which indirectly is supporting their totalitarian government.

I used to work in International Banking in NYC, and have seen a lot of nasty stuff, and I'm not much for singling out one company here and there, because most of them do a lot of evil stuff that nobody will ever hear about. Believe me, if you start turning over those rocks...no one will come out looking too good.

Apple is merely one of many pieces of the jigsaw puzzle that is globalism, just like Microsoft and others, no better, no worse.

Thanks for the links.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Please tell me which of the

Please tell me which of the nine points against Apple that you make have anything to do with the military industrial complex.

I did't author the post so....

I didn't make the nine points, my points are specific to my comments and I've provided links to support my claims. For example

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=115

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

The term "free market" is misleading

In the case of Apple, General Electric, Microsoft etc.,(the military industrial complex President Eisenhower warned us about), free market apperars to mean the freedom to trample the unalienable rights of citizens all around the world. Check out my DP post on unalienable rights and the "free" market. Lots of good comments, many that don't agree with me, but nonetheless, a good dialogue. Here's the link.

http://www.dailypaul.com/275602

http://www.standupforyourrights.me

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

We toil under Soviet style industry-written laws

There's no "free market" for 10,000 miles in any direction, if there is anywhere on earth.
U.S. Plunges in Economic Freedom Index

January 10 2013 by ChiefExecutive.net

From 1980 to 2000, the U.S. was generally rated the third freest economy in the world, ranking behind only Hong Kong and Singapore. After increasing steadily during the period from 1980 to 2000, the EFW rating of the United States fell from 8.65 in 2000 to 8.21 in 2005 and 7.70 in 2010. The chain-linked ranking of the United States has fallen precipitously from second in 2000 to eighth in 2005 and 19th in 2010 (unadjusted ranking of 18th).

http://chiefexecutive.net/u-s-plunges-in-economic-freedom-index

Apple is a participant and beneficiary of a sinister and hopelessly corrupt system. Defenders of Apple are statists--enemies of free markets.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

The decline in freedom isn't surprising and...

the system may be hopelessly corrupt, but I refuse to give up. The vast majority of people on this planet do not benefit from this corrupt system. The tiny elite who control this system are far more vulnerable than most people realize. Their divide and conquer strategy has thus far prevented the world's people from uniting against them. But I believe their strategy will fail and the people will beat their swords into plowshares and they shall make war no more.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Not this crap again.

Are you yet another Fandroid Apple-hater who has no clue about issues surrounding intellectual property, your freedom to choose as a consumer and the fact that Apple as a private company can dictate any terms they want for developers who create for THEIR platform?

Good golly, the sense of entitlement in this thread is revolting. Please do me a favor and latch onto Samsung and let me know how that works out.

first you're missing the

first you're missing the point, and second I think you may be the one not understanding intellectual property. I'm not advocating some other company or product at all. The POINT is that people are deceived about Apple - they are no better than any of the others, in fact most often they are much worse on issues of principle that are shared by those who value liberty.

Just because something is Legal doesn't make it right, I think everyone here understands that.

As far as intellectual property goes - I worked as an IT Mgr for a major corporate law firm for years - see bsfllp.com. IP was one of the areas I was tasked with assisting on due to my history as a software developer. I have personally worked on more than 60 multi million dollar cases against major online retailers over patent disputes. It is one of the major reason I resigned in Dec '11. My conclusion is, I disagree with the structure of IP law as it is generally understood. Read 'Math You Can't Use' by Ben Klemens for a more in depth explanation of what I'm talking about. In short, I believe IP has no place in software, music, literature, math, and other works of art. That is what copyright is for.

Go learn to program. Build something cool. Once you do, bring it to me and I will show you the list of patents you have violated. The system is broken because we've allowed combinations of natural processes like mathematics to be patentable. The hyperlink is patented. So is the shopping cart, the plugin, rounded rectangles, and "slide to unlock". We've had sliding locks on doors since the 1500s or something but now somehow Apple *OWNS* the digital representation of this existing invention. They abuse this at every opportunity via aggressive litigation and it is perfectly legal. Other companies do too, but people here are not confused about Microsoft's track record for example - they are however very confused about Apple's.

I am not alone in this view, ask U.S. Judge Posner who thinks these industries do not need patent law at all. You can read what hes written on his blog and in his book "The Economic Structure of Intellectual Property Law". Read his verdict in Apple vs Motorola - he threw out both of their claims with prejudice and rightly so. You can also ask the Electronic Frontier Foundation who has an entire department dedicated to busting BS patents, many of which are held by Apple: https://www.eff.org/patent-busting

I am perfectly aware of my freedom to buy other products, which is exactly what I do.

Also do yourself a favor and watch that short documentary I posted 'Patent Absurdity'.

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Regardless of your

Regardless of your former employment, you fall into the same logical trap as the anti-IP Richard Posner (he being a widely cited Chicago school judge who is a crank and virulently against property ownership protections, not to mention he frequently defended corrupt police over the rights of the people).

The fact is, our Constitution recognizes both property rights and the necessity of limited government that is able to legally defend those property rights. Intellectual property is indeed property (so-called for lack of a better general term, not because IP is merely an amorphous idea, but the embodiment thereof, the "expression" of an idea...look it up), and because it is property it also deserves legal protection in the form of patents, copyrights, trademarks, etc.

Property protection and the defense of individual rights are among the strongest protections afforded Americans.

Frankly, the anti-Apple screed strikes me as jealousy, because it appears you wish Android (or something else) was more widely used. You disagree with Apple's relatively recent massive success?

Going a bit off topic, but I

Going a bit off topic, but I would highly suggest that you look at some of Posner's earlier works in the field of law and economics, and especially "The Economics of Justice." There's some really great stuff in there.

Although philosophically different, Posner is rather libertarian in many respects except for privacy rights issues. I don't think you should completely write him off.

I've looked at enough of

I've looked at enough of Posner's "work" that I've reached the conclusion that he should no longer be allowed to be a judge. He has been on the bench too long.

I agree 100%

I won't use apple products for these & many other reasons.The company was bad about all these issues when Steve Jobs was still alive.Since he died,it only seems to have gotten worse.
And to jcr@mac.com....your name says it all.You are an idiot.You should review the business policies of apple better.They have sued several companies for the most ridiculous things...ie..in an attempt to squash the rise of the android cell phones,they sued samsung because software was "SIMILAR" to their software,that allowed programs to sync with email.
Apple is a communist,fascist,p.o.s. company & deserves a complete & total boycott on all products......as does microsoft for very similar reasons.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Go read the complaint in the Apple/Samsung lawsuit. Apple fulfilled their fiduciary duty to their shareholders to protect the work they did in developing iOS. Samsung even had Google asking them not to be quite so blatant with the knock-offs.

"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel

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Apple Inc. Economics

Excerpt from "Cows Economics Throughout The World" (Revised)[*] :

"[...]APPLE ECONOMICS
You have two cows.
You can't locate them.
Your Maps App is broken. AGAIN.

SAMSUNG ECONOMICS
You have two cows.
You can do everything that APPLE ECONOMICS can or cannot do with them,
and more.

MICROSOFT ECONOMICS
You have Cows 2014 in Home, Ultimate, and Enterprise Editions ready to ship.
You're busy wrapping up the update of your pricing offer (upward)[...]"

[*] Ref.
Cows Economics Throughout The World (Revised)

http://www.dailypaul.com/271610/cows-economics-throughout-th...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Not letting this go by...

They want all music to be loaded with DRM

This is a damnable lie. Apple, like any other maker of computing hardware, would rather see DRM consigned to the ash-heap of history. It's a pain in the ass to implement it, it annoys customers, and it wastes engineering time that could be better applied elsewhere.

The only reason the iTMS ever had DRM in the first place was to placate the record labels, and Steve Jobs was the man who convinced them to give it up. Read and learn: http://www.apple.com/fr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/

Note in particular the 5th paragraph from the bottom:

"The third alternative is to abolish DRMs entirely. Imagine a world where every online store sells DRM-free music encoded in open licensable formats. In such a world, any player can play music purchased from any store, and any store can sell music which is playable on all players. This is clearly the best alternative for consumers, and Apple would embrace it in a heartbeat."

They use the 'American Company' routine to encourage 'patriotic purchases',

I defy you to show me anything Apple's ever said along those lines.

Worker conditions seem to be unimportant to Apple when it comes to foreign employees

This is another really obnoxious lie. Apple is the company that is at the forefront of setting employment standards for all of their suppliers worldwide.

In fact, after a series of worker suicides at the factory the company has installed suicide nets, \

The nets were a silly overreaction to bad publicity. The fact is, the suicide rate for Foxconn employees is much lower than for China as a whole, and incidentally, lower than every state in the USA. There's a reason why Foxconn is swamped with people who want to work for them every time they announce any openings.

Hackintoshes being 'illegal' is BS.

It's their software, not yours. If you don't like the terms of the license they offer, then use something else. NO vendor has any obligation to sell you anything on your terms. Psystar knew they were stealing from Apple, and they got exactly what they had coming.

I could literally go on and on listing the disgusting business practices of this company.

Yes, you can continue to parade your ignorance as you have done above.

"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel