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Apple Inc. is Anti-Liberty in Every Way

I was recently downvoted on a post where a video was posted as an iTunes exclusive when I said I refused to download Apple's garbageware to watch the video. I realize many of us at the DP still do not know how anti-liberty Apple really is. I suppose I should elaborate for the Apple protectionists out there. The simple idea of being an 'exclusive' medium for an advertisement sounds exactly like Apple. That is not the only reason I will not support this company, there are MANY that have slowly formed over the years.

1. Apple is a bully to its users, and its developers. I am a developer by trade. Apple has repeatedly used their terms of service to restrict what kinds of apps we are allowed to develop for their platform in order to protect their own stock apps from competition. They have been forced to relent a bit on this but trust me this was not by choice.

2. When Apple files for patents like this one it helps illustrate their corporate personality, and their position on freedom. It allows the government to remotely shut down all iphone cameras within range of a kill signal. This can be used at protests for example: http://www.zdnet.com/apple-patent-could-remotely-disable-pro...

3. Proprietary connectivity for no real reason is immoral and anti-competitive. It is legal, however it certainly isn't 'free' as in freedom. It is another form of a digital cage. Apple forces you to purchase new chargers and accessories from one device to the next. This practice is purely for profit. This is something the rest of the industry has finally stopped doing after standards have become accepted... except of course for Apple.

4. They absolutely abuse the concept of intellectual property (which I personally believe should be completely dissolved - this is like saying you can patent a mathematical equasion). You should ne be able to patent round rectangles for example. Apple is suing dozens of companies at this very moment, all for intellectual property disputes. For more on why I fundimentally disagree with this, watch this short documentary on IP: http://patentabsurdity.com/watch.html

5. Apple bundles lots of extra crap into all of its windows software (hence the garbageware comment). iTunes installed loads of background services which are completely unrelated to iTunes and start every time you tun on your computer. iTunes is a resource hog, it is intentionally crippled to 'lock' you into Apple products / services / multimedia formats. They want all music to be loaded with DRM, and they are happy to completely wipe out your music collection if you aren't careful. Some of it you can remove during installation, some of it you cannot.

6. They use the 'American Company' routine to encourage 'patriotic purchases', but in truth staffing, component purchases, assembly, etc. are primarily outsourced. For example, one of their chief rivals, South Korean Samsung provides more jobs in the US than Apple does. Read more: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2012/08/28/samsung-better-for-ameri...

7. Worker conditions seem to be unimportant to Apple when it comes to foreign employees. It farms out its labor to China where workers are clearly not doing very well. In fact, after a series of worker suicides at the factory the company has installed suicide nets, and imposed strict anti suide policies. How do you get people to stop killing themselves? We all know the answer to that is more rules and restrictions right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

8. Apple conspires with major companies to keep prices artificially high. They did it with music, then movies and tv shows, and even ebooks: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/11/business/la-fi-tn-eb...

9. Hackintoshes being 'illegal' is BS. If I buy their software, and build my own computer... how can it be illegal for me to put that software I purchased on the hardware I purchased??? Well, according to Apple's TOS it is, and if you try it they will sue the iCrap out of you like they did to one local company here in south FL called Psystar a few years back: http://www.techspot.com/news/48604-psystar-loses-latest-appe...

I could literally go on and on listing the disgusting business practices of this company. What I cannot figure out is why most people seem to have no idea (or not care), even a community as well informed as this one. Are there any others out there who understand where I'm coming from here?

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What the hell is your point?

What the hell is your point? YES, that's the point of the App Store. People who get apps from the App Store are doing so because they want them vetted by Apple. If you want an app that was not vetted by Apple, GO AHEAD AND DOWNLOAD IT. Just like on Windows. The App Store for Mac is a brand new thing, it didn't even exist until about a year ago, and it is most certainly not required for all apps!

Most of the results of that Google page include iOS, which again, is a different beast. Not to mention every single story I saw in my quick glance seemed like a very legitimate reason to remove the app.

Really? Suicidal labor?

That has nothing to do with communist China, or global, capital markets, but Apple? They create a history morphing communication platform, and play by the rules of the game (however impure), and you complain that they claim some rights to developing on it? On the Daily Paul? Isn't that ironic too? Dr. Paul sought his conception of fairness in domain names, by utilizing the current set of rules, which are administered by the UN. Does that make him a hypocrite, or a sovereign individual in a free-as-possible global market? There's lots of ways to skin the cat.

Anti Liberty Apple subsidizes Communist China

America has a 300 billion annual trade deficit with Communist China. This would not be possible if US multinationals hadn't partnered up with China's totalitarian regime. Pat Mulloy is a member of the US/China Economic and Security Review Commission. He says trade deficits are selling out America and will result in China's Communist gov't "owning large chunks of our economy". Here's the video clip.


Chinese wives testified before Congress about the Communist regime's torture and imprisonment of their husbands. Their husbands were advocating for political reform. Here's a couple short clips.


Apple is anti liberty and its partnership with China is subsidizing the growth of a totalitarian regime. And bipartisan US leaders support this because it's a backdoor way to further their totalitarian agenda here at home. For more on treasonous US/China partnerships check out this link.


http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

It's not just Apple though,

It's not just Apple though, why do they get singled out? Its not some conspiracy to build up China, its a business move to maximize profits. Yes there are going to be serious consequences to this trade deficit, but no company sees past its balance sheet at the end of the day.

Your're right, it's not just Apple...

It's the US gov't, Wall Street, General Electric, Dell, etc......Let's get real, large multinationals don't like countries founded on unalienable rights and individual liberties. They like controlled economies like China's that can force their people to work for virtual slave wages. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is a fact of life. And let's not forget the industrial part of the military industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned us about.

Multinationals are dictatorial, mind controlling, bureaucratic monstrosities that partner with fascist governments like the US and China. We fought a Revolution against King George III and his private sector cronies. The king had given the British East India Co. a monopoly on the tea trade and they were using the tea tax to extract wealth from colonists. And we're facing the same situation today. General Electric, Exxon Mobil, BP, Chevron, Goldman Sachs and others are calling for a carbon tax to subsidize their clean energy programs that we don't even need. Call it fascism, communism, totalitarianism, it's all the same.


http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Are you confusing liberty

Are you confusing liberty issues with the notion that you are owed a job? Or am I misinterpreting your comments?

China is Communist in name only. Their economy is state-controlled, yet the same argument could be made about many sectors in the US economy, as everyone is aware of the command and control interdependence of our corporatist political and monetary system.

As for "slave wages" in China? Nope. Factory work is the road to fast riches to dirt poor deep inner China immigrants. "Slave wages" compared to lofty American wages perhaps, but we have a "minimum wage", don't we? Ours is hardly a free, competitive market.

If you're not concerned about...

the threat to individual liberties posed by fascistic multinationals, which by definition are loyal to no country, then you're probably just another libertarian in anarchist clothing. And at this point, there's very little separation between multinationals and global governments which are trending toward fascism.

As for feeling entitled to a job, I'm self employed. But the working conditions in China are unnaceptable. Check out this link to a Congressional hearing on human rights abuse in China. After listening to the testimony of Chinese wives whose husbands have been tortured and imprisoned, you may change your mind.


"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"(Dr. King)

http://www.dailypaul.com/275602 (a post on free markets)

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I wonder if you understand

I wonder if you understand what the word "fascistic" actually means. Are you seriously calling Apple a fascistic corporation?

Also, quit pushing your blog. It's annoying.

I dont get all the ill

I dont get all the ill feelings towards Apple. I can see why it's easy to hate on the fan boys, but to hate on the company itself? Look back 15 years...everyone hated Microsoft and was making the same complaints as people make about Apple today. They were an evil monolithic corporation that made inferior products, charged too much, kills competition and devours them blah blah blah. Then Apple comes along and changes the game because they made BETTER products. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon because there was finally an alternative to Microsoft! Now Apple is huge, and people have to hate. Yes their products don't need to be so expensive, but guess what? The market speaks, and until someone makes a better product they will dominate. There are also a lot of complications with being the most valuable company in the country. If you don't like it, dont use it.

It comes because I've been

It comes because I've been right here watching this industry unfold from the inside and how they have behaved. This is not one small isolated event. It is methodical, specific, intentional, and immoral.

Their success is attributable *partly* to a job well done (which I give them credit for), and another very large part to exclusivity contracts with huge corporations and content providers and a slew of other anti competitive practices. They know better than anyone how to squeeze every last drop even at the expense of their own customers. They do not like the free market, they prefer the controlled type (so long as they are in control).

- Grow Mushrooms at Home

The contracts Apple makes are

The contracts Apple makes are no different than other large companies, just a little more tight because that's how Steve Jobs ran his ship. He had a lot of supply problems early on in the 80's, and was hated by many for his management style. There is no doubt he was a control freak, and was not afraid to slit some throats. and once he got control of the company againhe wasn't about to put up with any crap. However, If a company is going to supply to Apple exclusively, it wasn't because Jobs put a gun to their head. He brokered a deal that worked for everyone, and provided a new market for goods and services that did not exist before. A lot of companies took a leap of faith with him, and their investment paid off. It also led to loyalty.

Apple has its roots in theft

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak got their start by building and selling telephone blue boxes, that would allow users to steal phone calls from the phone company. Apple is a company rooted in theft.

Then you look at the fact that Apple gets their brainwashing in by getting their computers into education... and who runs the educational system? Government! And who runs the government? The Bankers, aka Rothschilds and their minions. (see "All Wars Are Bankers Wars", and also any Eustace Mullins video)

Then you add to the fact that Bill Gates was not giving enough of his money to politicians, only about $1.5 million a year... so the government sues him for antitrust, and now he pays $50 million a year to politicians.

Plus take a look at this: http://themainstreetanalyst.com/2012/10/27/ideas-apple-bough...

This is crazy-talk. They were

This is crazy-talk.

They were kids pulling pranks. Not trying to get free phone calls.

They aren't "brainwashing" anyone. They offer discounts for education just like every company. EVERYONE does it. There is absolutely NOTHING unique about Apple in this regard.

Bill Gates on the other hand, worked for Apple, and LITERALLY stole the entire concept of the original Mac. He then went and purchased DOS and completely blatantly stole Steve's ideas and implemented a UI for DOS and called it Windows. Apple didn't invent the UI, but they actually acquired the right to use at least, and paid the people who did.

You have things ass-backwards and are looking at the world through a very warped lens.

You still don't get it

Okay, another example... I have a Mac Mini, and an iPad... if I write a program on my Mac Mini, and I want to run it on my iPad, I am not allowed to do it. I would need to pay their developer fee just to run my own program on my own device...

Apple is crapple.



I support free market,

I support free market, aspects like, supply and demand dictating the market, uninpedement of competition, a well informed consumer market, well aware of the power they hold if they so choose to wield it, oh yeah, its gotta be a moral one.

As much as people like to say that companies have a right to do near enough whatever they want within reason, it only works when free market is recognised and established, with a moral consumers wielding it, and that, is surely lacking.

I agree, that companies should have freedom to "evolve", but not by means that should be frowned upon,

Buying software and hardware, and not being allowed to do what you want with them, if it violates no one elses individual right, it should be no ones concern

Suing other companies, samsung being their closest rival, GOES TOTALLY AGAINST FREE MARKET, and infact would probably lead to monopoly, where one company gains more influence in a market, and pushes everyone else out, through regulation, " patents"

I dont necassary disagree with patents on true advancements, but only to give the inventor a fair shake for hes contribution, and then after a short period (not long), it should become public property, community property, any and all of the smallest kind and of the huge kind, not only accessable for the "few"

Apple banned an app that tracked drone strikes, well you know what you have here, company right vs human right, the right to knowledge, as far as im concerned, the company is taking a right it does not have, i believe in free market, if there is demand, in this case, a demand for knowlege of something that does not violate a right, then it should be allowed, that is until we live in a free market, where competition is allowed to thrive, that is when a company like apple would be forced to appease its consumers, or lose to competitors who offer a similar product or service and a respect for our rights, something im afraid alot of the larger older business would fight till the red....... untill they do, it will stay the same, or dramatically slow progress......i always wonder how far we are behind of where we may have been, maybe none, maybe alot *shrugs*

Sorry for perhaps a headache inducing grammer illiterate bunch of words and sentences i may have just put you through, im not very good at the words and stuff :)

What is the definition of a free market?

Today, I posted a topic in the DP Liberty Forum asking if unalienable rights can exist in a free market. I would appreciate it if people would check out my post and have a serious discussion about what a free market really means. I think this is important because Germany's Nazi regime couldn't have been a threat without the corporations that voluntarily supported it. Here's the link to the post. Thank you.


http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Lest ye forget, National

Lest ye forget, National Socialism rose to power in Germany on the support of desperately poor people. People become poor because of the system of failure created when the state interferes in free markets, not because of free markets.

The term free market can have different meanings

I'm sure Hitler defined free markets as freedom to mass murder Jews and Gentiles. Check out my DP post on free markets.



http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)


i think free markets are a dangerous game friend.

Jury Nullification is a power of the last resort against tyranny.

Apple is a name brand whore

Ask any apple fanboy about the specs on their devices and most of the time they have no clue. There's tons of comparisons online between a Windows OS comp and a comp with OS X that have the same specs but are $100-$3000 in difference.

People buy Apple products for the name and the notoriety that name holds. Nothing more.

You're also locked into a lifelong service contract with that product and Apple because if something happens to the product, you can't fix it yourself or you void the warranty. So, you are obligated to pay whatever prices they deem appropriate for repairs and the like.

More lies and

More lies and misrepresentation. You may void your warranty, but you are free to take your Apple product to be repaired anywhere you like. Would you take your Sony PC to Dell to get it repaired? Would you take your Ford to an Audi dealer for maintenance? Would you try to return your screwed up McDonald's hamburger order to Taco Bell?

Besides, if you've ever actually dealt with Apple's repair service, they are typically quite accommodating, especially for people new to Apple.

It's kind of sad that

It's kind of sad that factually inaccurate comment like this can get so much up-votes.

I really don't care what kind of computer you use. But this is spreading blatantly false information. There is not a $3000 difference in equivalent computers! That is a wild, outlandish claim. Apple computers are competitively priced, they just do not have a low-end. If you're going to go around perpetuating this myth you should price one out yourself and try to find a cheaper PC with the same or better specs. You'll have a very hard time if you can find any at all. The iMac is a ridiculously good deal.

You are not locked into a lifelong service contract with Apple. That is simply not true. There is NO contract with Apple. And yes, you void the warranty when you try to modify your computer, this is standard and absolutely true of all PCs. It is a one year warranty unless you're paying for Apple Care, then it's three. There is never anything "lifelong" about it. Computers do not last a lifetime (though a Mac is much more likely to come close than a PC). What exactly can't you "fix yourself" on a Mac? All of the parts are accessible. Macs ARE PCs now. It just doesn't logistically make sense to upgrade certain things, just a result of the business model, nothing devious.

Don't buy

their stuff then.

Its that simple.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

F​uck Apple!

I have never, and will never buy or use anything that is exclusive to them.
I put Microsoft in the same boat.


I Second that.



I try to change people every day. Do You?

Just say NO to iCrap

As a PC tech at a large Tech firm I work with & support all 3 OS's, Windows 7, OSX & Ubuntu, i'll take a Win7 or Ubuntu / LinuxMint over crappy OSX any day, especially from a repair/break-fix point of view.

Apple is WAY WAY over rated and if was not for their monopoly on the education system & the spiPhone they would still be just another tech firm.

Their OS is garbage and not nearly as secure as they claim ( look up the Hacker Con contest and OSX is always the 1st to get hacked ) Also there hardware is WAY Overpriced; Hello AppleTax, for stuff that most of the time is behind the curve performance wise.

I do admit that their industrial design team is good as it always looks very slick but its not worth the extra cost.

Apple is not a tech company they are a fasion accessory. You notice its always iPhone or MacBooks you see in public as they want to be SEEN using it! They are the MetroSexual computer.

/rant off

"Great Men Do Not Seek Power, They Have Great Power Thrust Upon Them"

I've never run virus

protection on my mac, what's that like? I can develop at the highest levels in graphic arts, programming, movies, sound engineering, all on my fashion accessory? No offense, but isn't your criticism kind of MetroSexual? You dismiss a company that integrates market winning design, with a global network of just-in-time silicon chip manufacturing, ground breaking contracts with multinationals in music, telecommunications, movies, and a long history of software development, using FreeBSD...with "Garbage OS"...because you have some beef as an IT tech? Maybe...step back a bit...try to take a bit broader view?

I am downvoting this post.

I believe Apple can be really annoying, but your points don't proof Apple is against the free market or liberty. You are not forced to buy Apple products, there is enough competition. Apple conspires with major companies to keep prices artificially high? There is nothing wrong with that, it would be wrong if they conspired with the government to keep prices high, but they are not. So...