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Apple Inc. is Anti-Liberty in Every Way

I was recently downvoted on a post where a video was posted as an iTunes exclusive when I said I refused to download Apple's garbageware to watch the video. I realize many of us at the DP still do not know how anti-liberty Apple really is. I suppose I should elaborate for the Apple protectionists out there. The simple idea of being an 'exclusive' medium for an advertisement sounds exactly like Apple. That is not the only reason I will not support this company, there are MANY that have slowly formed over the years.

1. Apple is a bully to its users, and its developers. I am a developer by trade. Apple has repeatedly used their terms of service to restrict what kinds of apps we are allowed to develop for their platform in order to protect their own stock apps from competition. They have been forced to relent a bit on this but trust me this was not by choice.

2. When Apple files for patents like this one it helps illustrate their corporate personality, and their position on freedom. It allows the government to remotely shut down all iphone cameras within range of a kill signal. This can be used at protests for example: http://www.zdnet.com/apple-patent-could-remotely-disable-pro...

3. Proprietary connectivity for no real reason is immoral and anti-competitive. It is legal, however it certainly isn't 'free' as in freedom. It is another form of a digital cage. Apple forces you to purchase new chargers and accessories from one device to the next. This practice is purely for profit. This is something the rest of the industry has finally stopped doing after standards have become accepted... except of course for Apple.

4. They absolutely abuse the concept of intellectual property (which I personally believe should be completely dissolved - this is like saying you can patent a mathematical equasion). You should ne be able to patent round rectangles for example. Apple is suing dozens of companies at this very moment, all for intellectual property disputes. For more on why I fundimentally disagree with this, watch this short documentary on IP: http://patentabsurdity.com/watch.html

5. Apple bundles lots of extra crap into all of its windows software (hence the garbageware comment). iTunes installed loads of background services which are completely unrelated to iTunes and start every time you tun on your computer. iTunes is a resource hog, it is intentionally crippled to 'lock' you into Apple products / services / multimedia formats. They want all music to be loaded with DRM, and they are happy to completely wipe out your music collection if you aren't careful. Some of it you can remove during installation, some of it you cannot.

6. They use the 'American Company' routine to encourage 'patriotic purchases', but in truth staffing, component purchases, assembly, etc. are primarily outsourced. For example, one of their chief rivals, South Korean Samsung provides more jobs in the US than Apple does. Read more: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2012/08/28/samsung-better-for-ameri...

7. Worker conditions seem to be unimportant to Apple when it comes to foreign employees. It farms out its labor to China where workers are clearly not doing very well. In fact, after a series of worker suicides at the factory the company has installed suicide nets, and imposed strict anti suide policies. How do you get people to stop killing themselves? We all know the answer to that is more rules and restrictions right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

8. Apple conspires with major companies to keep prices artificially high. They did it with music, then movies and tv shows, and even ebooks: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/11/business/la-fi-tn-eb...

9. Hackintoshes being 'illegal' is BS. If I buy their software, and build my own computer... how can it be illegal for me to put that software I purchased on the hardware I purchased??? Well, according to Apple's TOS it is, and if you try it they will sue the iCrap out of you like they did to one local company here in south FL called Psystar a few years back: http://www.techspot.com/news/48604-psystar-loses-latest-appe...

I could literally go on and on listing the disgusting business practices of this company. What I cannot figure out is why most people seem to have no idea (or not care), even a community as well informed as this one. Are there any others out there who understand where I'm coming from here?



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yep

macs suck

Mom, baseball and Apple's pie

Apple's logo is an apple with a bite taken out of it. What's the first thing that image brings to mind? The Garden of Eden? Steve Jobs made a deal with the devil when he partnered up with godless Communist China. During a hearing on human rights abuse in China, Rep. Smith said China engages in the "systematic use of torture" and is a "dictatorship" with no due process of law. Kinda sounds like the direction the U.S. is headed. Coincidence? I don't think so. Here's the clip of Rep. Smith and another of Rep. Wolf saying 25 Catholic bishops and many protestant pastors are jailed in China.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3343774
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3343781

For more on the treasonous US/China partnership check out this post.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=115

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Don't buy apple if you don't

Don't buy apple if you don't like it. I have had Apple computers since 1992, and stuck with them when they were "going bankrupt" by "reliable sources."

They are most capitalistic companies around. If you don't like them, buy a Dell... and enjoy... stop complaining. They do not have a monopoly on computers or the web or any software... there is plenty of competition.

This thread is just nonsense. if anything Apple computers have come down in price, and if you don't wanna buy a new one, get a used one. COme up with your own "iTunes" and sell it.

I don't remember Apple EVER forcing me to send them money or have any power over me. That award goes to our Government...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I guess communism is the new capitalism

You apparently don't understand the dictatorial, mind controlling, bureaucratic monstrosities that are today's multinational corporations. Their bureaucracies make the US gov't look libertarian. The leaders of Apple, etc. prefer Communist China's command and control economy and are working to bring it to America.

Unlike the founders who put their fortunes and lives on the line for freedom, many Americans gladly give up their freedom in exchange for a return on investment and cheap trinkets made in China. Kinda like the Native Americans selling their sovereignty for beads and blankets. How did that work out for the Indians?

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I assume you are not gonna be

I assume you are not gonna be buying the new iPhone or iPad..?

And yes your position is RIDICULOUS!!.. Don't buy it... Apple prefer communism? Are you kidding or what?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Would you care to back up your statement...

that my position is ridiculous? China is a Communist country, i.e., all major industries are controlled by State Owned Enterprises (SOE's), and the Communist Party requires a 51% controlling interest in all foreign companies operating in China. Apple's relationship with Communist China is legally defined as a "partnership". It's not just Apple that prefers a command and control economy in the U.S., General Electric's CEO was Obama's job czar and is calling for a carbon tax, which is fascism in my opinion. For more info on China's totalitarian regime and US partnerships with it, check out this link.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=115

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Well...

You weren't forced to read this post. I believe everything you said to do is probably what the author did.

This post is about his opinion on the facts he presented. It is no more complaining than your post is complaining about his opinion.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Apple

Why can't we get our act together and install different operating system on our computers?

Install Linux, for example.

And have control if it?

You can run any operating

You can run any operating system on a Mac. Ubuntu, Linux, even Windows (and by the way, Windows people agree that Macs are also the best PCs they've ever owned).

Because its their company

Create your own company if you don't like it, who are you to tell a company what they can or cannot do?

Vote with your pocketbook, or go and use free crappy operating systems, it's what you do in a free society.

Agreed....

"Vote with your pocketbook, or go and use free crappy operating systems, it's what you do in a free society."

I believe that is the point of the post. Informing people before the vote.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

copyright is the enemy of free enterprise

real innovation ended with government enforced patent laws.
get rid of this.

we need a country that operates outside of copyright.

well why not just

get everything for free, just walk in a store and not pay. After all paying for something is anti enterprise. C'mon these companies spend multi millions in research and it's not like they are stealing from nature like a GMO company. They are creating new ideas, nature has never created a touch screen.

you cant patent a new style

you cant patent a new style of music. you cant patent the concept of a murder mystery. This is exactly why we have copyright. Somehow we had the brilliant idea to grant a patent for concept of online shopping (I know because I worked on the case personally).

Think of how terribly deprived we would be if someone had been allowed to patent 3/4 time before Tchaikovsky.

Intellectual Property (or Imaginary Property as I prefer to call it) has no place in a free society. A company cannot own the gravity holding me to this earth or any other piece of nature, including the art I create when I build software. They certainly can't own it before I've even created it right? Unfortunately, today you cannot write a simple program, no matter how unique, without violating someone's intellectual property.

A program is like a work of art or a novel. Copyright yes. But if others are inspired by my work and write a murder mystery, I have no right to stop them. This is precisely what Apple does better than anyone.

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You want stealing to be

You want stealing to be allowed? DO you not believe in the Constitution?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Tired argument...

If you still have what you started with then nothing was stolen. Do you believe in logic?

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Oh God, I'm not gonna have

Oh God, I'm not gonna have this argument with you again. You make the MOST ridiculous arguments heard... You been listening too much to Kokesh...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Yeah...

Logic can be hard to understand.

If you don't want to have the same argument you shouldn't have brought it up.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Microsloth is worse on all points

Microsloth is funding eugenics .... Apple is not.
Microsloth was a far bigger bully until they started losing millions of customers due to crappy systems that crash all the time.
Microsloth is far more invasive to your privacy.
Microsloth workers are treated far worse than those working at Apple factories.
Microsloth never invented one single product : they stole ideas and bought innovation.
Microsloth stock has floundered for a decade while Apple stock is the single best investment in the history of the stock market.
Death to Microsloth ... Thanks to Apple for saving the pathetic music industry and making millionaires of many many developers via app sales.

No you are wrong

Both companies may be bad on the points indicated, but Apple computers literally suck... you have no choice with anything.. if you want a cable to connect something, good luck, you need an Apple cable

With Windows computers, I don't need Windows and I don't need Microsoft! I can use Linux! I can buy whatever hardware I want and put it together myself at incredibly cheap prices with power that easily exceeds the power of any locked down Mac.

Clearly you have drank of the Apple cool aid... enjoy your Crapple computer.

Ha ha ha

So when you go into McDonalds and you don't have a choice for a Kansas City Strip steak, they suck because of that ? Really...wouldnt you just go to a place that does offer a KC Steak?

Apple has a right to create what they want, you don't have to buy it. I like IPhone's new lighting port more than any other charging system out there, maybe I'll buy one.

I personally could care less about Linux, it's not important to me. I rather have an operating system that is harder to hack, like Apple has. It's all in how you look at it.

you mean macintrash?

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Don't buy Apple... WTF?? I

Don't buy Apple... WTF?? I don't get it... invent your own computer... and stop bitching... and I have enjoyed my Apple computers since 1992.... ;) and will keep doing so..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

You may want to be examined..

You may want to be examined.. just in case:

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/08/10/02/1223203/toxic-fumes...

Yes, don't buy apple! Spread the word WTF guy

If you want to not have features and abilities go ahead, live it up. On the latest iPad, you can't download ANYTHING unless you go to the Apple store... they have literally locked out all competition. Apple SUCKS.

You are happy because you never had anything better. I guess you like not having your windows remember their size and position whenever you close them. I guess you are happy entering your password every time you want to do something even though you have already logged in... and having no way around it.. to a developer, that means typing your password every 10 seconds... it is a total waste of time. I mean really, does the computer really think I logged in and then walked away and now other people are going to type something... it us F'ing INEFFICENT!

Yes, don't buy Apple, spread the word.

GET A CLUE!

you are kidding right?

Apple has a right to do what they want, I don't have time to check downloads for quality, viruses or system stability.

Apple does that for me, and that's what I like.

Apple has millions of Apps, seems to work fine.

So funny, why even care about Apple if your system is soooo great....please.

Why people that don't use Apple products get so pissed at people that do is freaking hillarious.

Take your temper tantrums out at the drones flying over your house, we have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

These complainers are

These complainers are absolutely useless.. Either they have apple and they are not happy, and then go buy something else, OR, they do not have apple, and if that is the case, they are wasting everyone's time..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Apple is like the Soviet Union of Computing

Apple hardware and software sucks compared to even Windows PCs and Android phones, because first off, they don't allow free market competition on building the hardware or software, so the users suffer, the developers suffer.. and overall the experience is crappy, but if you come from the Mac world, you never get to realize this. I don't know why anyone would buy any Mac products at all, other than they are uninformed consumers caught up in the coolness of the name, or the shape of the device.

When I bought my first mac, a mac mini, which I had to buy in order to develop on the Mac, because they lock everything down, I was greatly disappointed when you compare it with the flexibility of all the things you can do when you build your own Windows/Linux computer... they have everything locked. It really is a bad joke as to why anyone would buy an iPad, iPhone, or Mac computer.

As for being anti-liberty, yes of course. They want you to buy their products through force, they don't want competition. As a result, if they do improve their products or software it is at a snails pace. They would rather use force than give you a free choice, because if you really did have a choice with them you would not choose them, after seeing what all the other options are.

But it is their company, so let the free market force them to change their ways or let them go out of business. Just stop buying Apple products, spread the word.

You are helping fund eugenics

... by purchasing sucky Microsloth crap. Why bother with the liberty movement when you are helping slow-kill the very people you claim to want to free?

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