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Louis Farrakhan: The Liberty Movement's Missing Speaker?

Louis Farrakhan endorsed Ron Paul

http://youtu.be/X5QAbVcFojE

Farrakhan is a speaker of Liberty, and he's got much more to say than Alex Jones IMO. http://www.youtube.com/wa...

I'd like to invite a Louis Farrakhan thread and how we can achieve Liberty together.

http://youtu.be/GSazUpgBuuQ

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I don't trust him.

I think he's always been an agent provocateur. Even if he draws crowds and has some good things to say, those are not good enough reasons. He's not a libertarian, and ultimately he will hurt, not help, the liberty movement.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

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Put yourself in his shoes.

If you were him would you trust you?

Think about his shoes...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Yes I have "dared" to listen to him

and I don't trust him, and he is not a libertarian.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Over two hours speaches are long

Did you know Ron Paul was a Republican his entire life except 6 months to run as a Libertarian presidential nomunee?

I left the LP because I get tired of them nominating republicans.. now we're going to do our best to take the GOP. It's time the LP got into the majors rather than let the majors get into the LP.

You misunderstand. I never mention political party

I don't believe in political parties - Libertarian party or otherwise. I'm talking philosophy and values - libertarian with a small l.

LF can talk a good talk, but he does not truly support libertarian values and principles. Say all the good things you want about him, but his purpose, like many agent provocateurs, is to generate anger and division, not to educate.

You support whomever you like. Respectfully, please try not to insinuate that if we do not agree with you we don't know as much as you. Some of us have been around a very long time and have done our homework, too.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Libertarian belongs to a party

As for LF, I know very little about him and was hoping someone could tell me more, but so far, all I'm seeing are protests based on clips from youtube. I'm doing my homework on LF now, so I'm catching up with those of you you have been around a very long time and already did your homework on LF.

He sure gives long winded speaches.. and it's not easy to watch all in one sitting. I think when he dies it's going to be a huge deal and then people are going to freak out seeing how big the Nation of Islam is in America. Appears pretty big looking at some of his viedoes.. as many people as Ron Paul on college tours.

Just curious - did you watch every word he said?

I don't think he would consider himself a Libertarian, but a lot of the things he speaks about are liberty-based subjects:

Federal Reserve
U.S. wars and occupations
U.S. debt
Taxation
Gun laws and control
He even mentions U.S. banknotes (the red seal versus the green seal of the FED)
Land ownership (and who really owns you property)
etc

Well-read and well spoken, Farakahn ruffles feathers because he's educating by speaking truths which those in power don't want us to know.

One of his best points was how they keep us distracted while the world around us is collapsing.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Liberty-based subjects are not enough

Like I said a few times already in this thread, ANYONE can claim to espouse liberty, anyone can call themselves liberty lovers.

LF talks the talk. But please, be discerning before siding with people who say all the right things to tickle the ears of the downtrodden, fed-up, and oppressed.

LF does not understand or support the non-aggression principle across the board, which is fundamental to liberty. It's the starting point.

(I am not talking political parties when I say libertarian, I am talking philosophy.)

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Thank you pawnstorm12

I appreciate how you laid out the post because it helped me get a visual perspective about these long winded videos I've seen, and I agree with you. The resistance to open disscussion here is baffling to me. One one hand, So what about LF?, on the other, you've made a nice list, and if LM is going to grow, there would be a connection made, at least in the name of peace and liberty with NOI, doesn't have to be the bigger than life personality of LF.

Granger, you really need to

Granger, you really need to read this before you cuddle up too closely to Farrakhan.

http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Malcolm-Penguin-Modern-C...

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

I'm sorry for what happened to Malcom X

that has not stopped Farrakhan from growing a nation of Islam within the USA and standing against all those things we talk abut in the LM.

Farrakhan speaks with a forked tongue

Regarding Ron Paul’s plan to bring the soldiers home at .55 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw-Xr1f5zOs

I also want to point out that after watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqT8uUZxuEU

I see that the Spaniards had to cuddle up with Hitler in order to rid themselves of the communists. They did not get Liberty.

It seems to me if two groups join forces and the ideology is not the same, the most powerful group will run the show.

Perhaps you should listen to all of Mr. Farrakhan’s words before you start promoting him. Perhaps he is wanting the Liberty movement to join him?

Do you know where he stands on Sharia Law?

How can one know which words he speaks are true?
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He agrees with Ron Paul

and says he wants to go further.. maybe her heard Ron paul say, "Just bring them home", maybe not. But he's still on the same page.

We come together to restore the republic to government that represents ALL men, not just white men, and I would hope that some brilliant spoeakers and thinkers would come from the Nation of Islam to fight the exact things we talk about here on DP.

Farrakhan's vids are not short and I've been listening to quite a few, and I don't see anything he's saying that is not LM agreeable.

Seems to me he wants a constitutional government and dimplomacy and trade between national and international cultures.

Did you watch the whole vid?

This is not Ron Paul

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ov67_farrakhan-on-malcolm...

That is not the Non Agression Principle. That is no different than Obama assassinating American citizens without trial. And he is there telling all of those people why it is OK to do such a thing.

IMO embracing Farrakhan would be embracing what we abhor. When we embrace what we abhor, will not we become that same thing?

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Farrakhan does not speak the message of Liberty, his energy is not Liberty, it is death without trial at a single man's determination.

Are you OK with that?

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It's been 48 years, and I don't know what the truth is.. although it seems to me, that he learned quite a bit, and he's an esteemed speaker at Malcom X events. He says it's slander, and it could be.

To me, he's speaking from a possition of a person that represents oppression and suppression, and that's where I see similarities with the Liberty Movement, that is not beyond it's own brand of fear and loathing over tptb.

I'm ok with what anyone decides to do. This is a topic of disscussion about Americans and Liberty. ((((((bear)))))))

Speaking from a position that represents oppression is not

the whole picture.

After the oppressed people are free, what happens then? What kind of government will the oppressed support? (If any?) There are a lot of people who want to "bring down the system," or "return it to the original intent," but exactly what does that mean to them?

Embracing the oppressed is a charitable thing. But when the peaceful revolution is over and the dust settles, you'd better be sure you have embraced those who truly understand ALL aspects of the role of government. For example: There is no jury system in Sharia law. Does LF accept or reject that idea?

(BTW, I am not a Muslim fearer or hater. I loathe collectivism in all forms, and hating and fearing any group is revolting.)

As freedom lovers, our hearts go out to the oppressed people of the world. Because of that, we have to be discerning.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

I agree oppression is not the whole picture

Seems to me, the system LF wants to tear down is the corruption that has destroyed and mocked the constitution and bill of rights. I don't know, and I don't think he says, because I don't think he has any interest in politics beyond headline news sensationalism. I don't know, and began this thread to learn. It seems he has enough videos out there to spend the rest of my life watching, and that's not what I want to do with my life.

Don't you think the oppressed could use more than our hearts, but our heads and our guts to actually stand for equality as well as liberty, freedom and peace?

Of course

Everyone would benefit from educating people in the principles of liberty. But first make sure that the educators actually understand and believe in those principles themselves before they attempt to educate others.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

I agree

that's why I thought it was interesting when I saw the vid saying he endorsed Ron Paul.

Know

that there are those who do not speak the message of Liberty who act as if they speak that message. And those that hear that message would like to be liberated. Those that do not speak the message of Liberty are not liberators. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. People who want liberty will join forces with those who speak a false message. Look at history. The man sounds like a murderer. The man sounds like a hater

This person is happy to use hatred to destroy: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2971133 This person also sounds like they are issuing a threat: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2970719 Choose wisely or what?

I don't know, but I think I understand now why Ron Paul changed his stance on the Death Penalty...maybe...it is something I have wondered about. I have never heard an ounce of hatred out of Ron Paul's mouth. If I had, I would not have looked twice.

I would be asking the question, if Farrakhan killed Malcolm X or was complicit in his murder, why was he not brought to justice? If a man rapes his daughter, why is the wife blamed? The guilty party is the man. He is the one who is the criminal. Why is he not brought to justice? Meanwhile the wife and the daughter are victims of a man who will rape his own daughter and Farrakhan says nothing about the man getting justice.

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I don't believe he killed Malcom X

I don't believe he killed Malcom X because the black community does not think he killed Malcom X.

If a man rapes his daughter, the man is guilty of rape, and the mother is guilty of neglegence of her daughter, because she "had no clue" what was going on and didn't stop it.

One day in a WalMart, I was looking for a support bra, you know where they keep boxes of bras, not the ones hanging on racks? So I'm pulling open drawers and looking, and I hear a girl, "Stop it!" she said. I look up and over in the next section, across the aisle, is a family. The mother is pushing a cart and loading it up, while her son is grabbing her leg afraid to venture far from her, she is focused on shopping. Her daughter, about 11 long blond hair, is following her, and anytime she gets within two feel of the mother, the Father(?), boy friend of the mother(?), I don't know, but he's molesting this girl in the store. He's grabbing her butt, her hair, scooping her up. It was apparent, he was in LOVE with this little girl and the mother was oblivious, allowing this man to grab and feel her daughter while the girl repeatedly shouted, "STOP IT!!" to that man. That little girl had NO protection from her mother.

I reported it to management because I found it so disturbing to see what this man was doing to this little gorl in the open.. no one did a damn thing to help that little girl. I've seen this in schools, and heard stories about this most of my life having been a victim (MY Mother apologied to me).

Farrakhan's speaches are so long, to take a 15 minute clip is to miss many points he makes refering to that clip, and then making your own mind, I don't think is very fair. But life is not fair.

I appreciate your helping me with my homework on LF. Being he is not a politician, I'm not getting many political answers, but I do understand the feelings of those who want NOTHING to do with him or the NOI just because. ((((((((((((bear))))))))))))))

Granger

you have a place in my heart because you have been open about your childhood. No one deserves to be treated as you were.

You are speaking about the black community as if it a single mind. There are two sides to every story and the black community does not have a single voice. Farrakhan personally speaks to Malcolm X's death and apologizes for being complicit. Have you watched that clip? Not the one where he is justifying taking care of “the problem.” But the one where he apologizes for any part in taking care of the problem.

Obama does not fly drones. Obama wills it and it is done. You are not fooling around with power in the Nation of Islam. It is a very powerful organization.

I am not hearing people not wanting anything to do with him JUST BECAUSE. I am hearing valid pointed reasons as to why one does not believe he is the missing speaker of the Liberty Movement.

Just because he has influence over a million does not mean he is a liberty speaker. His message needs to be the message of Liberty. He does not speak the message of the Constitution.

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I agree the black community does not ahve a single voice

LF did not kill MalcomX, what he does is takes responsibilty for speaking and influencing what happened to MalcomX, his teacher. He repented for what he said, because that is his own guilt in words, not in deeds. He did not hire hit men, or have anything to do with the murder, he would be locked up.

I still have not seen where he is against the second amendment. I believe this is because he's not a politicain. emalvini just made a post about LF speaking, calling our for gangs to protect NOI.. that does not sound against the second ameenment to me. It's an interesting article.

I'm not pushing for the LM to merge with LF, I'm asking why not, and to me, it's based on fear. That's ok. I was afraid going to a GOP meeting and saw as many complaints about the GOP as LF.

It's another vid that stopped

It cut me off as he was saying that's incest between fathers and daughters happens when a mother does not know how to protect her daughter, and I think that is true, among other factors, from my own experience.

I also don't find him "making excuses" or advocating incest, but rather addressing the community, reminding them why this is wrong and offering some insight with reason how to stop it.

Also, the vid, what I saw, is taken from another speach. What I notice about his long winded speaches is he talks like a DNA chain, telling a long sermond that has many stories within.

I think Farrakhan has more polulatrity among the black population than Obama.

He is saying incest happens when a mother does not have sex

with her husband, he turns instead to the virgin daughter. Those videos do not cut me off at all. I am able to watch all of them.

I don't care how many black people he has command over. He speaks half truths. That is very dangerous.

He gave that as a possible example

and he said it as if he had heard a confession. I don't know why they cut off for me.

I'm not seeing the half truths as much as I'm seeing fear and hate.

He's not commanding over anyone, but is like a Ron Paul, speaking of Liberty to Americans who have a much different view of America, some, which we many on here seem to share far more than me.

I hope that you are not seeing fear and hate from me

I do not feaer or hate Farrakhan.

Are you saying I do not see half truths from Farrakhan, but rather I seeing fear and hate from bear?

I would tell you if it was you

I have never paid much interest to Farrakhan, so I don't know much about him, and yet, what I'm seeing is a guy who has a very simular message as Ron Paul's. I think they should be interviewed together.

I am an incest survivor, and when I was much younger, I blamed my Mother for not protecting me. From my experience, Farrakhan is not completely wrong, but there's much more to it, and he brings that up in a general way to his audience. It seems to me there are more sumularities than not, and I see no disrespect coming from Farrakhan, who I think people fear because he has huge support.

They are Americans, so why wouldn't they be welcomed to the Liberty Movement?