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Washoe Mystery
Submitted by islandflyer on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 17:09
What's goin on in Washoe? I thought that was OUR county! They've been stuck at 286 out 438 precincts for like EONS! That usually spells mischief in elections. » |
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Out of control in Washoe
I was a Precinct Chairperson at Galena HS in Washoe County and this caucus was so poorly planned that the attendees overwhelmed the facility and voting resources. We had 2 precincts (about 45-50 each) squeezed into one classroom designed for thirty kids max. Both precincts began their respective meetings each trying to speak above the voices of the other group. We had a quick election between the first 35 or so voters (people continued to pour in until nearly 10am) and I was elected Chairperson, we then elected our Secretary and began to attempt to follow the procedures of documenting/verifying each voter.
The Secretary collected each signature as the rest of us elected Delegates, we needed nine, and only nine volunteered including two other Paulites so that was easy and we were moving right along. We were then informed that there were not enough ballots and that they were printing more and that we should wait until the new ballots were printed but that we could just use pieces of paper if it took too long. This was nuts... we had twice as many people as we could get in the room and now you want all of us to wait until you "print" more ballots... why aren't there more than enough ballots sitting there in secure boxes waiting in case of a favorable turnout... they knew we were going to show up in record numbers.
So I went up to the front desk and spoke with the "people in charge" and was able to get permission to move our precinct into a private classroom. They then searched through the remaining packages they had under the table and we were able to locate about 100 ballots. We moved everyone into the new room and elected our Alternates. When given the option our precinct decided not to breakup into groups but to let five or six people stand up and express their views and positions. We were fortunate in a way to have a balanced group of opinions but we all seemed to have made our minds up well before entering that room. We passed out one ballot to each voter and they folded it and placed it in the envelope as they left the room. The Secretary and his wife did a great job of insuring one ballot - one vote. By taking charge we were able to control and complete our caucus very efficiently and I am proud to say we maintained perfect security within our precinct but the sealed and signed envelope is handed off to someone with a button up at the main desk and who knows after that... those folks were in the middle of the insanity. They were so busy answering questions and trying to figure out what to do that I felt uneasy leaving the envelope there but that's what we were told to do so the Secretary and I handed over the ballots.
We had successfully completed our task when the realization of just how out of control this critically important process had become. There were people everywhere tearing paper and drawing ballots for their respective precincts to use... or even worse tearing smaller pieces of paper just to write down their candidates name and submit that as their vote. Will these votes count? Will the counts be accurate? Is this vote for real... or is it just practice? This is the Republican Caucus to select the State of Nevada's choice for President of the United States and people are tearing up paper in the lobby so they can vote. It was an absolute crime... I felt like that crying Indian in the old pollution commercial... just taking it all in while a tear runs down my cheek.
Voter Fraud:
I've been trying to post this to my blog; it says it published, but I can't acces it becasue of "no suitable nodes".
It should be here if you want to read the entire story and all the math (at the bottom), at least it should come up eventually:
"How the GOP is Deliberately Controlling the 2008 Election Through Voter Fraud"
http://natschultz.townhall.com/
Anyway, I wrote an entire article exposing the GOP voter fraud conspiracy and at the end I caught the whole Nevada thing in real-time and I have the ORIGINAL exit polls in which Paul had a full 18% of the vote. I prove it mathematically and you would not believe how it 'just so happens' that the number of votes Paul lost EXACTLY equals what the others gained. I saved the original exits to my computer and did all the math and proved the fraud, and then I went back to MSNBC to check the exit polls again and they were totally changed and guess what? Every single other candidate GAINED votes except Paul who LOST votes!
They"adjusted" the exit polls to fit the new tally. Your not supposed to "fix" exit polls! But, I can prove it!
Anyway, Washoe County is the main culprit, here's the math on that; I'll post the rest in it's own post:
Why? Washoe County.
Exit polls: Romney 37%, Paul 31%, McCain 10% (top 3 total = 78%)
Final report: Romney 44%, McCain 16%, Paul 15% (top 3 total = 75%)
This cannot be possible; this is way beyond any margin of error. How can Romney gain 7%, McCain gain 6%, and Paul LOSE 16%?
Ok, the top 3 candidates lost a combined total of 3% of votes between the exit polls and the final tally; that is totally legitimate. However, it does not explain the extreme discrepancy between vote gains and loses between the candidates.
Mathematically this perfectly equates to Paul losing his 16% to the combined gains of Romney (7), McCain (6) and the extra 3% exactly. 6+7+3=16!
How can Paul be the ONLY candidate to lose votes?!?!?!?!?
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!
The Daily dose asked for any
The Daily dose asked for any proof of fraud or press manipulation to be forwarded to them..to the Daniel guy..so don't be remiss..
Romney had way too many votes, then they fixed it in SC, and fixed McCain at the same time.
Votor fraud?
First, the 31% is from entrance polls, not exit polls. Second, it's irrelevant, it is a straw poll that has no effect on the delegate selection process. It was just an extra event in the caucus process. The numbers to be interested in are how many Paul supporters got elected to be delegates to the county conventions, who in turn will elect delegates to the state convention, who will in turn elect delegates to the national convention. Not everybody who showed up at the caucus's and voted in the poll you are talking about could vote for delegates. Point being, the straw poll results are in no way reflective of the delegate elections.
Some of my favorite quotes, by Cicero, over 2000 years old, some things never change.
-Freedom is a possession of inestimable value.
-Endless money forms the sinews of war.
-Freedom suppressed again, and again regained, bites with keener fangs than f
Some of my favorite quotes, by Cicero, over 2000 years old, some things never change.
-Freedom is a possession of inestimable value.
-Endless money forms the sinews of war.
-Freedom suppressed again, and again regained, bites with keener fangs tha
Interesting, CNN had their entrance poll showing Paul at 31%
earlier in the day, for actually most of the day...I just went to check it out and now they have him at 17%.
I swear, it was 31%. I should have saved it.
Bastards..
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/in...
You're not crazy - it was 31%
I saw it too. I also saw right after the caucus started that some people posted that Paul had 23% statewide in the entrance poll, but that quickly changed to 19% on CNN. It is now 13% (same as he actually got - surprise, surprise).
I've heard that the networks "adjust" the entrance/exit polls to match the actual votes, so that probably explains the above. Of course, it doesn't explain at all why actual entrance poll is so different from the final results.
Still, 2nd place is 2nd place, whether it's 14% or 23%.
I HAVE the ORIGINAL Exit Polls!
It is a HUGE difference!
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!
I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!
Can you post or link to them?
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Breakdown of Washoe results
42 votes added before 10:21 AM : G:4,76 % Hb:9,52 % Ht:4,76 % M:21,43 % P:4,76 % R:33,33 % T:21,43 %
446 (163+283) votes added between 12:04 PM and 12:09 PM : G:9,64 % Hb:5,38 % Ht:1,12 % M:20,40 % P:13,45 % R:47,76 % T:2,24 %
2018 (1855+163) votes added between 12:35 PM and 12:40 PM : G:6,89 % Hb:6,19 % Ht:3,37 % M:17,10 % P:12,14 % R:46,23 % T: 8,08 %
2019 (308+1711) votes added between 1:05 PM and 1:11 PM : G:6,54 % Hb:5,45 % Ht:3,27 % M:17,68 % P:15,85 % R:45,12 % T:6,09 %
1650 (533+1117) votes added between 1:21 PM and 1:26 PM : G:5,82 % Hb:7,39 % Ht:3,64 % M:15,45 % P:17,52 % R:41,27 % T:8,91 %
2893 (365+2528) votes added between 2:27 PM and 2:38 PM : G:3,98 % Hb:8,64 % Ht:4,94 % M:12,86 % P:13,86 % R:44,24 % T:11,48 %
9068 votes in total : G:5,81 % Hb:7,00 % Ht:3,79 % M:15,76 % P:14,52 % R:44,46 % T:8,65 %
report from Ron Paul headquarters in Reno, NV - from war room
I volunteered for the Ron Paul Campaign at the Reno Headquarters this morning, providing voters with precinct information by phone and recording polling data as it was reported by election monitors, and I have a few brief things to report.
1. The Reno headquarters were alerted by the Las Vegas branch that Mitt Romney’s campaign was providing the Ron Paul precinct hotline number out to Romney voters. So not only were the Ron Paul hotline lines being clogged up by Romney voters, many Ron Paul volunteers unwittingly assisted Romney voters determine their correct precinct numbers. Clearly one of many “dirty tricks” going around NV today. So if any Nevada Ron Paul supporters were wondering why they couldn’t get through on the hotline, that is likely the reason.
2. I received numerous reports (I personally received 8, however I was aware of z dozen seperate precinct cases) from precincts in Washoe county of votes being counted in private rooms, vote count information being sealed in envelopes and not being provided for review by election monitors, as well as cases where votes were counted in a seperate room with a glass window seperating the counters from the election monitors. Additionally, comparing the polling reported numbers from Washoe in comparison with other counties, there was a signifigant drop off in votes for Paul in Washoe. Of course these could be isolated incidents, but the fact that all these reported cases came from Washoe, and none from Clark county (that I’m aware of) leaves me to believe there is something fishy going on in regards to the count in Washoe.
3. I also received reports of disabled people being barred from participating in the caucus. I received half a dozen reports of handicapped parking spaces at school precinct locations being gated off, as well as wheelchair ramps being blocked. I was also notified of one case where a woman in a wheelchair was able to get up 16 flights of stairs with assistance from a friend only to be turned away at the door because there “wasn’t any room for a wheelchair”. Blocking off handicapped parking spots and wheelchair ramps would violate building codes, and I hope these incidents will be looked into.
That's no dirty trick, it's a FELONY!!
Phone jamming is illegal. A guy just went to prison for it in Ohio, and recently released a tell-all book, after serving time in prison.
If that is the case, and somehow we can verify with evidence that, that was exactly done, we need to get the FEC, the Republican party, and FBI started on investigating it.
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looks like.....
they are about to steal 2nd!! What the heck happened in Washoe??
We need to look into this asap.
fs
Dr Paul was predicted to come in first is washoe
something very fishy here. Lets hope we have independent confirmation. I wonder, at the Iowa caucus votes were on a piece of paper that anyone could make a million more of. was your ballot printed, with your signature on it, or was it just a piece of paper??
We Ran Out of Ballots
My precinct was at Galena HS and things were not as tight as they should have been. We had at least 110 in our precinct group and not enough ballots - ended up using scraps of paper. We were crammed onto bleachers in the gym with probably at least 10 precincts and it was hard for everyone to hear what was being said.
The precinct secretary passed out the ballots before I told her to (I was the caucus chairperson) and there was no way at that point to control one vote per person. Plus, at that point everyone was itching to leave, so they just started dropping their ballots in a pile as they were heading out. Meanwhile, othere were asking me for scraps of paper since they did not receive a ballot. At that point there was no way to tightly control the situation. I don't think there was any significant cheating, but with over 100 people in a semi-chaotic situation I can't be sure.
The Romney people owned the place. They set up probably over 100 signs all around the school, and also had a representative going around to each precinct gathering to identify the person to speak for Romney and provide them with a canned speech. I'm not saying this to be discouraging, but this is the big leagues and they seemed to have a better handle on how to play - at least what I observed.
By the time we finished our paperwork, all the other precincts in the gym were done, and I set out to find the place to turn in the packet with the ballots, degalate forms, etc. I started walking around the campus, and the Democrats had already flooded the building for their caucus. Couldn't find any Repubs anywhere, and finally left the school WITH THE BALLOTS, FORMS, ETC!! (No, I wasn't even tempted to do anything devious!) Ended up taking it up to the Repub HQ about 10 miles away. A guy there just entered the votes into a spreadsheet on his laptop and htat was it.
We got two delegates out of 15, which is very close to the percentage of RP votes (12 out of 105).
FYI to any others who may have a similar type of caucus in the future. Although my successful attempt to be caucus chairperson (as suggested by RP area leaders) allowed me to make sure that nothing funny happened to the paperwork, I could have probably gotten us another delegate (three instead of two), if I had NOT been the chairperson... The votes among the three RP delegate candidates were very unevenly distributed. I got 7 votes but another RP candidate only got one. If I had not been busy as the chair, I probably could have advised the other RP voters to split thte votes more evenly between the delegate candidates so all three would have made the cut (more than two votes was enough to gurantee a spot).
This process was not horribly out of control, but was much sloppier than I would have liked. At the end of the day, I think the results were pretty fair based on the desires of all the attendees, but there was definitely opportunity for mischief. Many of the participants were very outspoken that they would have much rather had a primary vote instead of a caucus. I don't think anyone preferred the caucus, or the 1.5 to 2 hour ordeal. My elderly mom (85 yrs) would have voted for RP in a primary format, but couldn't make it to the caucus. :(
Randy
OMG
Good lord, sounds like voting in a 3rd world country!
Yep...
There were a few other things that I didn't mention previously. At the official start time of 9:15, those who were just arriving told me it was a zoo outside - long lines to get into the building and massive traffic jams nearby. I asked a nearby GOP official what to do, since there were obviously many still not able to get inside, and he said I had to go ahead and start the meeting.
I heard that there were about 100 precincts meeting at that one high school. Ours had about 110 present, but that was higher than average. If you assume 50 per precinct just to do a guesstimate, that's around 5,000 people descending at one time at a single high school. I don't know if there were really that many, but it was absolutely crazy.
There were no electronic machines used in this process in the precinct groups, but having someone just type my numbers into a spreadsheet on his laptop PC doesn't exactly give me a warm/fuzzy feeling. We have no idea what happened after that, but the things I have read and heard here and elsewhere make me suspicious about the outcome. They would certainly have an easier time with any mischief, it would seem, in the wild chaotic environment that we experienced. I had intended to be a witness to the next level of vote counting/tabulation, but couldn't even find out where to go after we finished.
After watching the media treatment and primary results over the last three months, I''m beginning to wonder if things are already too far gone.
Sigh....
I'm not giving up, though. I had a chance to see and briefly meet RP last Monday in Carson City, NV, and tears started rolling down my cheeks when he entered the room. I'm not usually that way, and certainly wasn't expecting it to be such a moving experience. This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, IMHO.
Washoe Giuliani Hucka
Washoe
Giuliani Huckabee Hunter McCain Paul Romney Thompson Total
527 635 344 1,429 1,317 4,032 784 9,068
6% 7% 4% 16% 15% 44% 9% 100%
438 of 438 precincts reporting
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pLxLj62XDKkGutdfFAYT0...
http://www.nvgopcaucus.com/county
A few things I shoud add here
1) We were told the day before the caucus that we would be allowed to vote after signing an affidavit that we had registered as republicans if we had missed the dec 19th registration deadline. As we were in line we were told that that was no longer the case, and that we could not vote unless registered before the deadline. When they said this the guy in line next to me said "Damn, I'm a californian"...his friend elbowed him in the ribs and said "Shut up". A number of us heard this, though I've yet to know for sure if they were later spotted voting or not.
2) CNN is showing over 18,000 votes fir Romney, while showing a combined total for democrats barely topping 10,000. Nevada has NEVER had more support for Republicans than Democrats. NEVER. Least of all now with the whole state pissed off at the Bush administration. This goes way beyond fishy and enters the impossible.
3) McCain had nearly no showing at all at my precinct, yet politico.com is showing McCain clearly ahead of Paul in Washoe County.
So: How we are going to go about proving vote discrepancy, and how other states can prepare to prove it as well:
We are each taking exact notes of the number of votes cast in our precincts and posting them on our meetup groups, so that every precinct has documented numbers. Get a hold of your meetups and get this plan started in your state NOW...we all know Ron is getting screwed in Nevada.
The dem calculations are for
The dem calculations are for delgates, not voters. They actually had higher turnout than the reps, not lower. Counter to what you just said, I heard today that this year was the first time that registered dems outnumbered reps.
I obviously can't comment on your first point, but given your apparent inaccuracy on the last two points your first is suspect.
Where is the photo of the guy from California?
Don't you have a camera in the cell phone?
I would not be shy at all to police everything about the process.
yep, grab any actual evidence
and pray the NHQ has hired some lawyers. It may be time for them.
now shows full reporting
RP still 916 votes to McCain's 1057 seems odd---I'd been watching that one
Actually
it still shows 65% over here.
http://www.politico.com/nvcaucuses/index.html
Puppets come and puppets go but the world's stage is getting cluttered.
I will say this
I watched the votes being counted at McQueen High School...
And Rons stack of ballots was at least 2/3 the size of Romneys....and McCains was nearly nonexistent
He cam in 3rd!
smells fishy
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hello?
anybody home?
any ideas?
local knowledge?