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Glenn Beck apologizes to libertarians, begs them to welcome new people into the movement

Glenn Beck is upset about how he's received by libertarians. He says we're unwelcoming to newcomers and compares some libertarians to Nazi's. He even goes as far to apologize to libertarians for not knowing about liberty sooner... he's begging us to be nice and teach him and everyone else about liberty.

"Libertarians, I'm begging you... please... see the opportunity you have with 30-60% of the nation... people will come your way."

http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=256...

Glenn Beck famously once called Ron Paul supporters terrorists. In spite of that, he makes some good points about how we treat new people like him, who used to not agree with or even be downright mean to us. I was one of them. This is worth listening to.



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Dr Paul never rejected someone, he always educated and educated. He has a point my friends, we should never reject friends. We really do have an opportunity to win this country back. I believe it with all my heart. If the Glenn Beck who I disliked for a long time (I came to libertarianism through Milton Friedman, cause I love economics) wants to be apart of this, let him. Everyday on my college campus I bring more and more people into our ranks. Always being objective, and I have gotten 70 people to change their opinions. I was a liberal, then a neoconservative, and now I am proud classical liberal/paleo conservative. I think its time we follow Ron Paul's intentions, let this movement grow and snowball into what it was meant to become. Keep Beck at arms length, but let us not forget what brought us together. God bless.

You're like the 2nd person

You're like the 2nd or 3rd person I've seen who was sold on his act. You now see him as a victim.

No one is stopping this man from being a libertarian! It's physically impossible!

I don't think that was what he is talking about...

In a broader sense, we are a little argumentative with people. I'll be the first to say that I have been. We need to follow Dr. Pauls lead, building coalitions. I don't see him as a victim, I think he does have a point though. We have a really really high membership requirements for anyone who is publicly talking about our beliefs. Some of us don't support Rand because of his foreign policy actions or previous endorsements. At a time when we are still small, we shouldn't be exclusive. I am all for getting as much help as possible. Trust me, I still dislike glenn for other reasons, but it is one big fear of mine is that we hold our standards too high and disenfranchise everyone from liking us. A lot of people hopping on board though have to know that the media has hit this movement many many times. We are wary for reasons ourselves.

Again with the membership.

Again with the membership. This isn't a club. We don't have someone checking members at the door on their way into the lodge. We don't have a treasurer or some leader.

We have high standards for who we support, perhaps. But how is that negative? We've been tricked by tens, if not hundreds of politicians. You're somehow making high standards a negative?

I'm tired of getting burned. I'm tired of supporting someone who does the exact opposite of what they've been preaching when it actually matters.

Sorry if we've been jaded by politics and want to vet someone before we support them with our hard earned money.

I will say this though, regardless if Beck gets 0% of the Daily Paul crowd on his bandwagon, he should keep speaking about what he believes if he wants to succeed. I'm confident though, that the more he talks, the more everyone will realize he's not sincere and he's just as authoritarian as he was last year.

About people not liking us? Not bothering me in the slightest. Ron Paul didn't care if people liked him, he spoke the truth and people supported him. If you know his history you'd know he didn't even expect to win his seat in Congress.

"...right temporarily defeated is stronger than evil triumphant." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

We don't have a membership...

yet you say we have high standards. In a way those two phrases don't work together. Yes I am saying too high of standards are bad, why? Because I want to see us win. We can sit here and preach and preach and preach, but until we work in the framework of politics we will continue to sit here on the dp getting old. You say you are tired of getting burned, at what cost? Anything we do will be a risk. I am no way in saying that we should come up and say GLENN WE LOVE YOU!, but other people who agree with us 90% of the way, it may be beneficial for us to play the game. I grew up in politics all my life, all my family are heavily involved. I do know Ron Paul's history quite well. I am in fact involved in my family member's race, and they don't expect to win either. The reality is though, whether we want to accept it or not, politics is about people liking us. I think this gets to the same difference in opinion we saw with Rand's endorsement. Some say we need to play the game, others think we should stick to our principles. The reality is though, we can't win if we aren't trying to make allies. I think it is even more risky for this country as a whole for us not too. We can't get jaded, they want us too. They want us to give up, and I for one won't. I sincerely agree to disagree.

Let me clarify. When I say

Let me clarify. When I say "we have high standards" I'm speaking of myself, and everyone you're addressing as being "unwelcoming." I'm not representing libertarianism as a philosophy.

You want to see us win, by compromising our integrity. See the quote at the end of my last post, please. And really think about it.

The reason Rand is even relevant is because he believes in putting our fine men and women in the service in harms way to defend a foreign nation who has no allegiance to us! This is also the pivotal reason Beck can support Rand, and the pivotal reason why he couldn't support Ron.

Now, if you're suggesting that I vote for Rand because I agree with 99% of his positions, but disagree with the one position that puts my life, my children's life, and my grand children's life in harms way due to blowback, he's not getting my vote. Period. I don't compromise on principles, because then they're not principles.

What you're advocating for is the reason we're in this mess. People bending over to be accepted. Ron never bent over to be accepted, he just did his thing and started a small intellectual revolution. Nothing special. I guess he could have went along with Congress and achieved... what we have today.

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Wait, Ron Paul never worked with others on issues he agreed with? Did he not work with Barney Frank, a man who Paul barely would agree with? Or with Ralph Nater? Or with some democrats on Iraq? Should we not follow in his footsteps? Politics is not about one way or the high way, I believe in what Ron Paul says about coalitions, heck he even talks about the difference between compromise and coalitions, and why they are good in Liberty Defined. He harps on it all the time. To say that what I advocate the reason we are in the mess and that I endorse blowback is a big straw man argument and a slippery slope fallacy. I just said we should It would do well to take that quote and listen, that is all fine and dandy for right to lose some of the time, but what if the logic behind your argument caused us to lose all the time? What then? Would you rather have 0 or 99%? I for one will not let my generation grow up with mountains of debt, the Federal Reserve enslaving our country, and the countless other issues who effect all of us just as much as the one issue you mentioned. What would you rather have, one issue facing you, or a hundred facing you? You shouldn't vote for Rand cause I say, I would never want someone too. Vote for him if you like him, my intentions aren't to recruit you to Rand 2016. I think overall it would be beneficial for us to start using the same tricks the establishment uses on us. Fight fire with fire I say.

Long story short..

I am off to bed, I wish you a goodnight. I will have to agree to disagree with you on this one. I am interested to see more of what you mean. It is an interesting line. I can see your points, curious to see what actually is the best route though. Anyway goodnight!

Beck claimed to be a libertarian when he had his Fox show

How many of you know that? Hmm?
This is waaaay before his 'Blaze' blog and even before his big day at the Lincoln Memorial.
I watched his show every day, and whenever it came up, he ALWAYS said he was a libertarian. And now he's saying he wants in the libertarian fold? Or maybe he wants to be something like its leader?
Was he just fooling himself about what a libertarian was before and now that his great teacher, Penn Jillette, is teaching him about libertarianism, he realized that calling himself a libertarian was nothing like what a libertarian was all about?
And why the need to be anything? I am NOT a libertarian, and except for a short stint, neither was Ron Paul, but that doesn't separate us from the principles of Liberty. That is all I'm concerned about - adhering to the truths of Liberty as best espoused by our founders.
I am in total agreement with George Washington who expounded, "a more comprehensive view" and warned us "in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally."
How different the political scene would be if no parties existed. You'd actually have to vote for a PERSON based on what he's done, if his actions reflect his beliefs, and if he has exhibited the courage of his convictions - not just on what he promised to do. What makes Ron Paul great is not just what he proposed, but what he refused to succumb to.
Also, why is Beck trying to be a 'libertarian' now that Ron Paul is out of the political scene?
Have programs that include Dr Paul, Mr Beck, and let your actions prove your dedication.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

We Are Judged by Our Company

...we're judged by the company that we keep...

Glenn Beck said he was a libertarian for ratings because ol' Rupie Murdoch probably gave him prompts like:

Enter Rupert Murdoch

[old man voice]

Rupert: It appears that the Republicans could benefit from Libertarian devotion to ending corporatism and illusory market speculation, re-seating Republicans at the helm that drives our economy

[End scene]

--which incidentally, is also corporatism.

His thing was George Soros when he was on Fox. It was bizarre because while I don't particularly glorify Soros, market speculation from a global perspective isn't illegal; it's truthfully more libertarian than Becks ideals at present.

Spot on assessment.

Spot on assessment.

Wow

He calls libertarians fascists and expects libertarians to support him? He demonized that woman who ran as a libertarian for the texas governorship last election and likened her to Stalin or Obama or some really evil people. Now he just sounds like he's trying to win back votes for the establishment republicans.

Brother, I've Been Waiting For Ya

Glenn Beck was my gateway drug to liberty. I was a neocon, Fox News drone. Glenn Beck was just different enough that I began to question the Republican orthodox. Then I came all the way to Ron Paul.

Glenn has hurt the movement. He has also helped the movement. When we remember the bad, we should not forget the good.

I hope Glenn is earnest in his remarks. I got here years ahead of him, but if he is sincere, then I will welcome him.

We should be skeptical, but we should also be quick to forgive.

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Very prescient remarks

Wise words.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

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Ok after actually watching the

video... Welcome Brother, we have been waiting for you to wake up! Now put your money, and voice to the movement. I think everyone has the ability to change, otherwise why would any of us bother campaigning or contributing to the liberty movement. Glen you have asked to be accepted only you can do what needs to be done to gain our respect. Now you have to "put up or shut up"!

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

Glenn, if you're reading this..

Please understand a few points.

1. Us "Ron Paul" Libertarians did try very, very hard to convert and accept any and everyone during the past two Presidential elections. That's why we were at occupy wallstreet, to convert. That's why we made signs and put bumper stickers on our cars. That's why we annoyed our friends and family with discussions and conversations about politics. That's why we listened and followed and commented on and to every news television, radio, and website. We were ignored, laughed at, and ridiculed by almost everyone for the past 6 years. Even you and your co-host were rude and made disparaging remarks about Ron Paul seemingly at every turn. Just as Levin, Hannity, Limbaugh, and of course the liberal media did as well. We can't see this sudden change through rosy colored glasses. Just one year ago you were saying negative things about the only candidate who we felt represented the liberty movement and the Constitution. Because of that, we can't now trust that you are 100% behind Rand and us all of the sudden. You have to prove it by supporting a liberty candidate in the GOP primaries.

2. Libertarians and the "hardcore" fringe libertarians are not focused just on foreign policy, marijuana, and gay marriage. The fiscal issues were in fact the main drivers of this movement in the 2012 election. We weren't chanting "legalize marijuana" at Ron Paul rallies. We were chanting "End the Fed". Ron didn't say we're all socially free now. He famously said we are all Austrians now.

3. We felt like we lost this country for another 4 years when Romney beat Paul in the primaries. How you felt when Obama won is how we felt when Romney won ensuring that it would be either Obama or Romney. Since Paul lost, we have been looking for that Libertarian Republican bridge. Rand is a favorite of many here. There are others, but none that have emerged yet. We welcome you to help us find the best Libertarian Republican, and I personally encourage you to continue to ask questions and learn with all of us. The rudeness you feel right now is just us treating you how we felt you treated us in the past. We feel like the pressure is on you to reach out to us. Just have patience, and continue to be sincere, and you will find that people will welcome you. It will probably take another election cycle for that to happen though.

"Where liberty is, there is my country." -Benjamin Franklin

Worst apology ever fuck this

Worst apology ever fuck this idiot spends the whole time trashing libertarians and falsely stereo typing them and then wants to be accepted by them... Sigh! And he calls us sanctimonious what a fucking idiot!

This asshole has learned nothing its not because he disagreed with Ron Paul it is because he tried to ridicule and insult him and not just once.

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I look at it this way...

According to Forbes, GB was paid $80 million dollars last year. By who? Does anyone think he is being paid $80 million dollars a year to just share his own very special opinions because... ? well I have no clue why. But I do have a clue why someone would pay him to manipulate his listeners to some desired point of view - herd some sheep to the edge of a cliff and beyond maybe? lol! He seems pretty good at herding.

IMO he is being paid to try to round us up and guide us into a path benificial to his employers.

Maybe he is a Libertarian at heart? I just do not trust the "opinions" of a person who is paid to use his/her charisma to influence the thoughts of others.

Any black helicopters flying

Any black helicopters flying around outside your house?

And Penn Jillette is part of this conspiracy, right?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

don't understand your hostility BM.....

Not that I am trying too hard, admittedly. It's late and I am tired.

Nah, I haven't seen any black helicoptors around and I don't know who PJ is. <> what evs. What I posted is my opinion.

I do appreciate some things he has done especially shining light on Agenda 21. Still - nothing happens by chance in politics, but lots of things happen by greenback.

I came back to edit out the 80 mil part because I wasn't sure enough of the source.... can't edit once it is replied to evidently.

Your comment added absolutely

Your comment added absolutely nothing to Lida Ricks' post. What do black helicopters have to do with Becks' income? What's Penn have to do with any of this? DOes Penn have a political radio/internet/tv show also? And since when did Penn become the pillar of Libertarianism?

Sorry Beck

Too little too late. Your just a a political KOOK so stay away from the Libertarian movement. We don't want you here.

It is astonishing to me how

It is astonishing to me how some of you react. Either you didn't listen to anything he said, or you are just guilty of what he is saying.

None of us were libertarians when we were born Most of us got into politics in our teens or later in life. I have been a libertarian for almost 20 years now. Some took a very long time to become libertarians, like Tom Woods, who was a neoconservative, like Beck.

Libertarians represent 1-2% of the population. That means those are are versed in the philosophy, not just average people who believe in the ideas of freedom (which is most people when you ask them), but people with specific knowledge on issues.

Here is an alternative source of media with a large audience who is asking for all of us to join in the cause of liberty. He doesn't even care if you like HIM. He is asking to make changes to the country. And what do soe of you do? Harbor old feelings and piss on him. I.e. insist he is now allowed to change no matter what.

This is what a lot of libertarians get a bad reputation. It's either this way or the high way. haven't you all learned anything from Ron Paul? You can befriend and wok with other people you don't agree with and find COMMON issues that you DO agree on to help advance.

Even if you disagree with Beck on 50% of things, work with him on the other 50%. He has potential to convert a lot more people. Penn is teaching him, and he is a great libertarian. Give him some time.

But this isn't even about Beck for me. It is about the destructive isolationist behavior by some libertarians. If you haven't learned anything about coalitions, then you haven't learned much.

Remember Barney Frank and Paul working together?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

or...

he needs ratings to keep making the big bucks and knows sticking with his historical hysteria will lend him no credibility as the neocon chronies cause the GOP implode upon itself? He sees a great wave swelling and knows he'd better hop on and ride or drown? It IS business, you know. It's his business to be popular and convincing.

=)

If he is sincere he will go on in that way and we will recognize it, as will others. If he wants to use an association with Libertarians for other reasons, that will be recognized too.

I think it is pretty easy to spot people who truly love liberty. Our differences make us strong. He doesn't need anyone's blessing to be a Libertarian but his own. He doesn't even need to be a Libertarian to love, protect and work for liberty.

Listen to yourself. "And what

Listen to yourself.

"And what do some of you do? Harbor old feelings and piss on him. I.e. insist he is not allowed to change no matter what."

Do you really think we're telling him not to change? Better yet do you really believe we have the influence to stop him from changing? This is ludicrous.

He's already convinced you that he's the victim. Amazing.

I've said this like 10 times in this thread: he can do as he wishes, but he chooses to play the victim. He can continue to speak what he believes, but he wasted an entire segment whining because he's not getting validated like a low self-esteem teenager.

This in and of itself undercuts his credibility! And what's important to realize is that he has an audience of thousands, so to give his medium credibility based on some whining is very naive and dangerous. Why allow his network to profit and gain a larger audience, so that after he's grown enough of his influence, he can say "wow, I was wrong to believe in libertarianism, they're too fringe. I'm a 'constitutionalist'?"

Be smart here. Let him prove that he's sincere by living by his words. Until then he won't get my support by watching his network, by buying his books, or by attending his speeches.

You made my point. You

You made my point. You didn't hear what he was saying. He isn't talking about HIM. He is talking about how some libertarians isolate newcomers. he even stated he doesn't care if you like him. I believe him. He doesn't need 1% of the population. However, I do think he is sincere that he wants this country to change for more freedom, and is asking for people like us, to join and make it happen. Not join him, but he made a point, which I agree with, that he has an outlet like no other to reach more people.

BTW, I have never watched or listened to Beck's radio show. I never even watched his TV shows. On rare occasion I have watched links to youtube etc. And I won't be subscribing or doing so in the future.

This is NOT about Beck, which I think some of you fail to get.

Do you think Penn told Beck, he needs to "prove himself" before he spends time teaching him and answering questions about libertarianism?

You much be a perfect person who has done things right is your life.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Unfortunately, we'll have to

Unfortunately, we'll have to agree to disagree. If it wasn't about Beck, he wouldn't seek acceptance, he'd just speak the truth about what he really feels (and he doesn't even do that - he dodges questions about decriminalization of drugs and preemptive aggression).

As far as I can recall, I never heard Ron Paul make a speech whining about not being accepted in Washington. If he mentioned it, it was in passing (not 15+ minutes) with no fucks given. Beck has done the complete opposite.

No, I completely heard what he said and I agreed

The problem is people don't trust *him*.

It's absolutely true that there are libertarians that are not welcoming, are dogmatic, and are not patient with people that are not 100% on board with 'their version' of what it means.

I'm on this board every day. I see it here every day.

So its not that I disagree with what he's saying. He's right.

Its just - specifically - he has dug his own hole so far deep that people don't believe in his sincerity over the long haul.

We would always be waiting for the knife in the back.

Maybe those distrusting

Maybe those distrusting people need the same amount of time to trust him that Beck needs to become a full libertarian... lol

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

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Brian, seriously...

Brian, seriously... I have hard times forcing myself to put ANY trust in his interest for the liberty movement.

But, guess what.

Let us ASSUME for a second I can - ALL ENCOMPASSINGLY over his character.

Let us ASSUME I can trust him - A PRIORI - and as anybody else, disregarding everything of his political past.

Guess what.

That is not enough.

That is not enough to say that you find liberty and laissez faire, etc, "cool" anew. And Constitutional principles and texts wise anew.

You ALSO HAVE TO SHOW HARD EVIDENCES of your understanding.

You also have to talk FROM YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW about THE REAL ISSUES.

Simple question I'd give 100 ounces silver to Mr. Beck to answer for me (if I could afford):

"Mr. Beck, do you think you have ANY MONEY on your checking account? If 'no': please explain why. Elaborate how we got into that situation. Elaborate how to get out of it."

Do you think he could answer?

Do you think he could comment fundamental texts THAT ALL of his past allies and friends and foes (liberals, I assume?) in politics HAVE IGNORED? Like "The Law" - that American libertarians have rediscovered for only a few decades.

That's what we, INDEED, care about : the competition of ideas. Those that work for liberty.

Mr. Beck is a bit...

... L A T E.

I am afraid he has A HELL OF A LOT TO CATCH UP WITH - beyond just finding liberty "kewl" anew.

Makes sense?

Sincerely,

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius