Glenn Beck apologizes to libertarians, begs them to welcome new people into the movement
Submitted by Tumn1s on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 18:52Glenn Beck is upset about how he's received by libertarians. He says we're unwelcoming to newcomers and compares some libertarians to Nazi's. He even goes as far to apologize to libertarians for not knowing about liberty sooner... he's begging us to be nice and teach him and everyone else about liberty.
"Libertarians, I'm begging you... please... see the opportunity you have with 30-60% of the nation... people will come your way."
http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=256...
Glenn Beck famously once called Ron Paul supporters terrorists. In spite of that, he makes some good points about how we treat new people like him, who used to not agree with or even be downright mean to us. I was one of them. This is worth listening to.
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Seriously, you can't be that
Seriously, you can't be that thick, can you? You mean he wants the 1-2% of the population to love him? Are you kidding, or what?
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
Beck wants 1-2% of the population? Of Course!
that means an 'potential' audience increase of about 3-6 million viewers, so, um, Yeah. 1-2% will do since his ratings have plummeted.
Why Libertarians? They're a more reliable, politically passionate and consistent anchor for consistent ratings.
Beck may be sincere, but to those of us who actually read our Bibles, he's immature in both his christianity and libertarianism. Am I any better than he? No, but I'm not in the national spotlight acting arrogant, condescending while, unabashedly, using profane language while preaching Christian morals on the radio. To sum, Beck is in just enough of a position to bring disrepute on both and really mess things up.
So yeah, Beck. We KNOW you, by your past Fruits which so far, has changed every year, far too slowly. Take time to learn & grow, but not from on top of our shoulders, but from our sides, shoulder to shoulder.
I expect to see more changes in Beck b4 2014. I predict he'll end up Rubio's butt in 2014 & down the tubes with the Republicans come Dec 2014, but I hope not.
Oh insults. You must be a
Oh insults. You must be a student of Glenn Beck. :)
What does Glenn Beck really talk about? What types of issues take up the most of his shows?
Well, I did...
Well, I did... And I got his admitting about a few things. One thing he omitted to clarify, though:
how does he think he COULD NOT fall AGAIN and REDO his past judgment errors?
When you learn something, it's either from something completely new you're being presented with, or from your own errors. In the latter case you draw a lesson - with a retrospective on your wrong assumptions, and/or flawed logic, and eventually, false conclusions anyway.
I missed the part where he made that sort of analysis.
Pointers, anyone?
My name's pronounced like "see real". Its root is "Lord".
"The demand of a great people is always at the scale of its most serious misfortunes." --De Gaulle
http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty
It's a good question
and I don't think he even can say he won't be wrong on something again in the future. But the point isn't to go to Beck to ask him to be our leader or to have him tell us how to think, the point is to work with him to promote a candidate we all can support in a primary. Right now, it seems like it would be possible with Rand, but if at the end of the day several of us can't agree with Beck's pick on a presidential candidate then it won't work.
If your pick for president
Is based on someone else's opinion of that candidate, then you don't have a firm understanding of individuals. You should be the sole decider of politicians based on their morals and principles in comparison to your own. And for you to suddenly jump the bandwagon to a well-known neo-con doesn't speak well for your character; at least in a movement that is anti neo-con.
I never said your pick should be based on someone
I never said your pick should be based on someone else's opinion, I said your pick could be consistent with someone else's pick, and it may not even be for the same reason. I'm not really sure why you are addressing people who make their choices based on other people's opinions. I also never said I was "jumping the bandwagon" to a "well-known neo-con," I said him and I potentially agree on a political candidate running in a future republican primary and I acknowledged that it would be beneficial to the both of us for us to work together to further said politicians campaign.
It appears you have a very difficult time with reading comprehension.
Okay. Looks like I'll have to quote you.
I suppose electing Rand is impossible if we can't agree with Beck that he's the right choice. Or maybe I'm just fucking retarded and "have a very difficult time with reading comprehension."
Electing Rand is impossible
If we can't learn to form coalitions with other people who may support the same candidate we support but maybe for different reasons. Coalitions win (fair) elections.
You said if you support a
You said if you support a candidate that he doesn't support, "it won't work." What won't work? Rand won't win? Your candidate won't win? That's what he's referring to when he said you're jumping the bandwagon. Let Beck do what Beck does. You do what you do. To some how insinuate we need to "work together" (wtf does that even mean?), isn't really going to get us anywhere. You're campaigning to have people support Beck, when in reality, people should focus on supporting the candidate, not using a proxy like Beck, because he won't do what you hope he does in the end.
He's only accountable to the person signing the front of his check.
Forming a coalition won't work
Forming a coalition with another (e.g. Beck) won't work if the candidate you support and the candidate Beck supports is different. This is not that difficult to understand people.
Wow Beck is gunna send me a
Wow Beck is gunna send me a few hundred bucks so I can canvas for Rand? Sweet.
Oh, wait...
Yeah, nice "coalition." This is about the 5th post you've made shilling for Beck. Give it a rest.
I fucking hate glen beck
and I also hate dumb people who can't wrap their heads around simple concepts like political coalitions, how they work, and why they are significant.. yeah, so basically i hate you.
And the truth shall be
And the truth shall be revealed. :)
libertarians don't need him
libertarians don't need him to form a coalition around anyone, we'll do it ourselves if we believe someone is sincere and principled. No one sold me on Ron Paul, it only took me stumbling upon one of his speeches on YouTube and I was hooked (I believe the title was something like, "So this is what truth sounds like?"). I was a neocon before that, so I can empathize with Beck. I was a Fox/Hannity/Rush/Levin drone.
Ron Paul didn't have to do anything but speak and he amassed the biggest grass roots movement in modern American history, in my opinion at least.
If Beck really wants to bring people to libertarianism he just needs to keep talking and stop seeking validation (which looks like whining for some titular position of a party or movement). Everyone will decide if he's sincere or not. And he hinted to it at the end of this video, about coming back tomorrow, and the next day.
Good, that was the easy part. Now let's see if he can deliver on his words.
Right
No one needs anyone to form a coalition, it's a voluntary act. But if we want to put a guy in the WH that follows the principals we highly value, that will never happen unless we form coalitions with people like Beck who are fiscally conservative. That's the entire point of a political coalition, people come together and support a candidate and not all of them for the same reasons.
I don't necessarily think he wants to bring people to libertarianism, I think he is trying to figure out how we can form a wide enough base around a candidate like Rand Paul in order to first and foremost get him out of the primaries as the nominee. That's challenge number 1, which we obviously were unable to do by just ourselves with RP in 2012.
I don't think Beck really
I don't think Beck really cares about the things fought for in the Liberty Movement. What I think Glenn Beck is really thinking is "how can I make a quick buck"? He will dance on the line of the Liberty Movement, only to get the audience of the 'Tea Party', 'Libertarian' types, but he won't fully cross the line or talk about the real issues. He'll only continue with the same talk of hate and division as all the other political radio show hosts and talking heads.
Well if that's his goal, he's
Well if that's his goal, he's doing a terrible job and he's just getting started. You don't look for acceptance by insulting people. Or make sarcastic, condescending apologies like, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry for not being as smart as you."
Well
I don't think he really had much of a chance to be honest, most of the people around here are on their high horse because they think they are some independent thinking political innovators but when it comes to people they label "neocons," that idea of independent thinking and evaluation goes out the window.
As far as the apology you considered condescending, I guess I didn't really see it that way. I saw it more as him acknowledging the fact that he--like everyone else in the world--is not perfect. He has been wrong in the past and will likely make mistakes again in the future.
It would have been fine if he
It would have been fine if he left it at, I'm sorry for being wrong. But you need to read up on passive aggressiveness. By saying "I'm not as smart as you," it automatically makes him the victim and implies we think he's less intelligent.
Oh Ok
Shrinks need shrinks.
I couldn't make it past 3 minutes
He is such a two face, lying bag of dog poo! He gets why we hate him, he just wants to be the victim and demonize us.
Beck doesn't get the folks
Beck doesn't get the folks who came to the liberty movement through Ron Paul.
He doesn't get that many of us first heard through a guy who isn't that great of a speaker. Who never gained acceptance in some Big Club. Who said what he meant despite -- DESPITE -- the fingers in the wind pointing elsewhere.
Who didn't seek acceptance as some kind of litmus test.
This may be the ultimate anathema for the Becks of the world. It's like speaking Hindi to an Irishman.
Beck thinks the liberty movement is some cult of personality or some cult of group think. He's bound up in thinking in terms of following the cool guy or the cool crowd. He's obviously never been a part of the discussion. He doesn't know that we disagree about abortion, the death penalty, education issues, definitions of marriage...the list goes on. He's obviously never engaged. It may well be that the Becks of the world are handicapped by their obsession with people rather than ideas. People will always disappoint. And always give you an excuse to languish and lick both real and conjured wounds.
My response
to you Glenn, is the same as it was to Mitt, GOP leadership, and the establishment.
Here's a big F U to all of ya's.
He has a point
I'm not going to pretend to know Beck's true feelings or motivations. He can say all the right words, but his future actions will determine if he is sincere. However, the large majority of us here were not always libertarians. A lot of people use their membership in the movement as an ego boost and end up hurting the liberty movement. We saw this last year with the elitism of some of the people who had supported Ron Paul in 2007/2008 and looked down on those of us that were newer members of the movement. The bottom line is that for our movement to grow we can’t shut people out just because of their past actions. In 2008 I was fresh out of high school after 12 years of statist brainwashing and was a rabid neocon, but slowly over 3 years (with the help of my libertarian best friend) I opened up to the message of liberty. If my friend had just said to me “you can’t be in our movement because you still believe X Y and Z and you supported and voted for McCain in 2008” then I wouldn’t be here. I saw the same problem at my state's convention last June. A lot of people who agreed with 70% of our principles that we could’ve used to block Romney from getting delegates were unwilling to listen to us because of a few of our members that chose to get into emotionally heated arguments.
I’m not defending Glenn Beck, in the past he has said horrible things about Ron Paul and the movement. However, we need to realize that many of us would’ve said those same things years ago before we were awakened. Instead of trashing Beck and the other “70%ers” that we agree with most issues on, we should concentrate on spreading the message of liberty to these people. We have plenty of time between now and 2016 to observe Glenn Becks actions to see if he truly means what he says.
Glenn Beck is shutting us
Glenn Beck is shutting us out. It's not a mistake or coincidence that Beck is talking about Libertarians, his haters, and Ron Paul in the same thought. It was part of his script, he planned to talk about these things. He's calling you Ron Paul supporter closed minded and, what did he say, "fascist". Like another poster here said, Glenn Beck is trying to play the victim, while demonizing you ROn Paul supporter.
You really want us to believe you are sorry Glenn?
Prove it.
Help purge the Neo-Con influence from the Republican party.
That is: Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kagan, Anne Coulter, Eric Cantor, Joe Lieberman, John Bolton, Lindsay Graham, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer.
There is no Neo-Con voter base. Turf the lot of them.
Neo-Cons want wars, deficits and deficit spending. They don't support 2nd amendment rights.
What Conservative would possibly want any of those things? Seriously.
I think we need to be rather blunt here ...
Glenn ... Mr. Beck
I do not trust you.Let me rephrase that I can not trust you EVER
In short FUC U Glenn
Thank You
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Thank You Fishy !!!
Ok Glenn...
So your not a neocon and definatley not a libertarian, your a neocontarian.
Glenn Beck reaches out.
I used to love Glenn Beck...then I didnt and I stopped listening to him when he endorsed santorum. I think he did that. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He did, after all, say he was a slow learner...that could be true. YOu know it was very very difficult for me to accept that I was so wrong for so many years...AND if you are older when you start waking up...it's even MORE difficult because you've been brainwashed longer. I think Beck deserves a chance....he seems to want to belong to the libertarians. We need more people...even if they aren't 100%...i don't think I am 100% myself. I still go round and round with some libertarians who think atheism is a prerequesite to being a libertarian.
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