Glenn Beck apologizes to libertarians, begs them to welcome new people into the movement
Submitted by Tumn1s on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 18:52Glenn Beck is upset about how he's received by libertarians. He says we're unwelcoming to newcomers and compares some libertarians to Nazi's. He even goes as far to apologize to libertarians for not knowing about liberty sooner... he's begging us to be nice and teach him and everyone else about liberty.
"Libertarians, I'm begging you... please... see the opportunity you have with 30-60% of the nation... people will come your way."
http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=256...
Glenn Beck famously once called Ron Paul supporters terrorists. In spite of that, he makes some good points about how we treat new people like him, who used to not agree with or even be downright mean to us. I was one of them. This is worth listening to.
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Wow
He calls libertarians fascists and expects libertarians to support him? He demonized that woman who ran as a libertarian for the texas governorship last election and likened her to Stalin or Obama or some really evil people. Now he just sounds like he's trying to win back votes for the establishment republicans.
Brother, I've Been Waiting For Ya
Glenn Beck was my gateway drug to liberty. I was a neocon, Fox News drone. Glenn Beck was just different enough that I began to question the Republican orthodox. Then I came all the way to Ron Paul.
Glenn has hurt the movement. He has also helped the movement. When we remember the bad, we should not forget the good.
I hope Glenn is earnest in his remarks. I got here years ahead of him, but if he is sincere, then I will welcome him.
We should be skeptical, but we should also be quick to forgive.
Very prescient remarks
Wise words.
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
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Ok after actually watching the
video... Welcome Brother, we have been waiting for you to wake up! Now put your money, and voice to the movement. I think everyone has the ability to change, otherwise why would any of us bother campaigning or contributing to the liberty movement. Glen you have asked to be accepted only you can do what needs to be done to gain our respect. Now you have to "put up or shut up"!
The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson
Glenn, if you're reading this..
Please understand a few points.
1. Us "Ron Paul" Libertarians did try very, very hard to convert and accept any and everyone during the past two Presidential elections. That's why we were at occupy wallstreet, to convert. That's why we made signs and put bumper stickers on our cars. That's why we annoyed our friends and family with discussions and conversations about politics. That's why we listened and followed and commented on and to every news television, radio, and website. We were ignored, laughed at, and ridiculed by almost everyone for the past 6 years. Even you and your co-host were rude and made disparaging remarks about Ron Paul seemingly at every turn. Just as Levin, Hannity, Limbaugh, and of course the liberal media did as well. We can't see this sudden change through rosy colored glasses. Just one year ago you were saying negative things about the only candidate who we felt represented the liberty movement and the Constitution. Because of that, we can't now trust that you are 100% behind Rand and us all of the sudden. You have to prove it by supporting a liberty candidate in the GOP primaries.
2. Libertarians and the "hardcore" fringe libertarians are not focused just on foreign policy, marijuana, and gay marriage. The fiscal issues were in fact the main drivers of this movement in the 2012 election. We weren't chanting "legalize marijuana" at Ron Paul rallies. We were chanting "End the Fed". Ron didn't say we're all socially free now. He famously said we are all Austrians now.
3. We felt like we lost this country for another 4 years when Romney beat Paul in the primaries. How you felt when Obama won is how we felt when Romney won ensuring that it would be either Obama or Romney. Since Paul lost, we have been looking for that Libertarian Republican bridge. Rand is a favorite of many here. There are others, but none that have emerged yet. We welcome you to help us find the best Libertarian Republican, and I personally encourage you to continue to ask questions and learn with all of us. The rudeness you feel right now is just us treating you how we felt you treated us in the past. We feel like the pressure is on you to reach out to us. Just have patience, and continue to be sincere, and you will find that people will welcome you. It will probably take another election cycle for that to happen though.
"Where liberty is, there is my country." -Benjamin Franklin
Worst apology ever fuck this
Worst apology ever fuck this idiot spends the whole time trashing libertarians and falsely stereo typing them and then wants to be accepted by them... Sigh! And he calls us sanctimonious what a fucking idiot!
This asshole has learned nothing its not because he disagreed with Ron Paul it is because he tried to ridicule and insult him and not just once.
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I look at it this way...
According to Forbes, GB was paid $80 million dollars last year. By who? Does anyone think he is being paid $80 million dollars a year to just share his own very special opinions because... ? well I have no clue why. But I do have a clue why someone would pay him to manipulate his listeners to some desired point of view - herd some sheep to the edge of a cliff and beyond maybe? lol! He seems pretty good at herding.
IMO he is being paid to try to round us up and guide us into a path benificial to his employers.
Maybe he is a Libertarian at heart? I just do not trust the "opinions" of a person who is paid to use his/her charisma to influence the thoughts of others.
Any black helicopters flying
Any black helicopters flying around outside your house?
And Penn Jillette is part of this conspiracy, right?
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
don't understand your hostility BM.....
Not that I am trying too hard, admittedly. It's late and I am tired.
Nah, I haven't seen any black helicoptors around and I don't know who PJ is. <> what evs. What I posted is my opinion.
I do appreciate some things he has done especially shining light on Agenda 21. Still - nothing happens by chance in politics, but lots of things happen by greenback.
I came back to edit out the 80 mil part because I wasn't sure enough of the source.... can't edit once it is replied to evidently.
Your comment added absolutely
Your comment added absolutely nothing to Lida Ricks' post. What do black helicopters have to do with Becks' income? What's Penn have to do with any of this? DOes Penn have a political radio/internet/tv show also? And since when did Penn become the pillar of Libertarianism?
Sorry Beck
Too little too late. Your just a a political KOOK so stay away from the Libertarian movement. We don't want you here.
It is astonishing to me how
It is astonishing to me how some of you react. Either you didn't listen to anything he said, or you are just guilty of what he is saying.
None of us were libertarians when we were born Most of us got into politics in our teens or later in life. I have been a libertarian for almost 20 years now. Some took a very long time to become libertarians, like Tom Woods, who was a neoconservative, like Beck.
Libertarians represent 1-2% of the population. That means those are are versed in the philosophy, not just average people who believe in the ideas of freedom (which is most people when you ask them), but people with specific knowledge on issues.
Here is an alternative source of media with a large audience who is asking for all of us to join in the cause of liberty. He doesn't even care if you like HIM. He is asking to make changes to the country. And what do soe of you do? Harbor old feelings and piss on him. I.e. insist he is now allowed to change no matter what.
This is what a lot of libertarians get a bad reputation. It's either this way or the high way. haven't you all learned anything from Ron Paul? You can befriend and wok with other people you don't agree with and find COMMON issues that you DO agree on to help advance.
Even if you disagree with Beck on 50% of things, work with him on the other 50%. He has potential to convert a lot more people. Penn is teaching him, and he is a great libertarian. Give him some time.
But this isn't even about Beck for me. It is about the destructive isolationist behavior by some libertarians. If you haven't learned anything about coalitions, then you haven't learned much.
Remember Barney Frank and Paul working together?
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
or...
he needs ratings to keep making the big bucks and knows sticking with his historical hysteria will lend him no credibility as the neocon chronies cause the GOP implode upon itself? He sees a great wave swelling and knows he'd better hop on and ride or drown? It IS business, you know. It's his business to be popular and convincing.
=)
If he is sincere he will go on in that way and we will recognize it, as will others. If he wants to use an association with Libertarians for other reasons, that will be recognized too.
I think it is pretty easy to spot people who truly love liberty. Our differences make us strong. He doesn't need anyone's blessing to be a Libertarian but his own. He doesn't even need to be a Libertarian to love, protect and work for liberty.
Listen to yourself. "And what
Listen to yourself.
"And what do some of you do? Harbor old feelings and piss on him. I.e. insist he is not allowed to change no matter what."
Do you really think we're telling him not to change? Better yet do you really believe we have the influence to stop him from changing? This is ludicrous.
He's already convinced you that he's the victim. Amazing.
I've said this like 10 times in this thread: he can do as he wishes, but he chooses to play the victim. He can continue to speak what he believes, but he wasted an entire segment whining because he's not getting validated like a low self-esteem teenager.
This in and of itself undercuts his credibility! And what's important to realize is that he has an audience of thousands, so to give his medium credibility based on some whining is very naive and dangerous. Why allow his network to profit and gain a larger audience, so that after he's grown enough of his influence, he can say "wow, I was wrong to believe in libertarianism, they're too fringe. I'm a 'constitutionalist'?"
Be smart here. Let him prove that he's sincere by living by his words. Until then he won't get my support by watching his network, by buying his books, or by attending his speeches.
You made my point. You
You made my point. You didn't hear what he was saying. He isn't talking about HIM. He is talking about how some libertarians isolate newcomers. he even stated he doesn't care if you like him. I believe him. He doesn't need 1% of the population. However, I do think he is sincere that he wants this country to change for more freedom, and is asking for people like us, to join and make it happen. Not join him, but he made a point, which I agree with, that he has an outlet like no other to reach more people.
BTW, I have never watched or listened to Beck's radio show. I never even watched his TV shows. On rare occasion I have watched links to youtube etc. And I won't be subscribing or doing so in the future.
This is NOT about Beck, which I think some of you fail to get.
Do you think Penn told Beck, he needs to "prove himself" before he spends time teaching him and answering questions about libertarianism?
You much be a perfect person who has done things right is your life.
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
Unfortunately, we'll have to
Unfortunately, we'll have to agree to disagree. If it wasn't about Beck, he wouldn't seek acceptance, he'd just speak the truth about what he really feels (and he doesn't even do that - he dodges questions about decriminalization of drugs and preemptive aggression).
As far as I can recall, I never heard Ron Paul make a speech whining about not being accepted in Washington. If he mentioned it, it was in passing (not 15+ minutes) with no fucks given. Beck has done the complete opposite.
No, I completely heard what he said and I agreed
The problem is people don't trust *him*.
It's absolutely true that there are libertarians that are not welcoming, are dogmatic, and are not patient with people that are not 100% on board with 'their version' of what it means.
I'm on this board every day. I see it here every day.
So its not that I disagree with what he's saying. He's right.
Its just - specifically - he has dug his own hole so far deep that people don't believe in his sincerity over the long haul.
We would always be waiting for the knife in the back.
Maybe those distrusting
Maybe those distrusting people need the same amount of time to trust him that Beck needs to become a full libertarian... lol
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
Brian, seriously...
Brian, seriously... I have hard times forcing myself to put ANY trust in his interest for the liberty movement.
But, guess what.
Let us ASSUME for a second I can - ALL ENCOMPASSINGLY over his character.
Let us ASSUME I can trust him - A PRIORI - and as anybody else, disregarding everything of his political past.
Guess what.
That is not enough.
That is not enough to say that you find liberty and laissez faire, etc, "cool" anew. And Constitutional principles and texts wise anew.
You ALSO HAVE TO SHOW HARD EVIDENCES of your understanding.
You also have to talk FROM YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW about THE REAL ISSUES.
Simple question I'd give 100 ounces silver to Mr. Beck to answer for me (if I could afford):
"Mr. Beck, do you think you have ANY MONEY on your checking account? If 'no': please explain why. Elaborate how we got into that situation. Elaborate how to get out of it."
Do you think he could answer?
Do you think he could comment fundamental texts THAT ALL of his past allies and friends and foes (liberals, I assume?) in politics HAVE IGNORED? Like "The Law" - that American libertarians have rediscovered for only a few decades.
That's what we, INDEED, care about : the competition of ideas. Those that work for liberty.
Mr. Beck is a bit...
... L A T E.
I am afraid he has A HELL OF A LOT TO CATCH UP WITH - beyond just finding liberty "kewl" anew.
Makes sense?
Sincerely,
My name's pronounced like "see real". Its root is "Lord".
"The demand of a great people is always at the scale of its most serious misfortunes." --De Gaulle
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Correct
You are absolutely right. While we should be skeptical, we should not turn away anyone interested in the Cause of Liberty.
I dont understand how some
I dont understand how some will actually turn people away when we are such a smal minority.
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
I'm calling it on you - BS
Nobody is really being turned away. I was completely in tune with Beck until I woke up and saw Beck and I had major differences. How he spoke on his Fox show was very different than how he was on his radio program - I didn't like radio Beck tho I still watched him on Fox.
If Beck is working towards something - whatever that may be - he doesn't need us to be with him or him to be with us. There are millions of rivers all over the world - each doing their own separate thing yet they all merge together into one ocean.
If Beck's path doesn't make too many turns, we'll all meet in that ocean eventually.
It's also rather convenient that he woke up to 'libertarianism' (that's a lie- he claimed to be a libertarian when he had his Fox show) AFTER Ron Paul is out of politics, don't you think? Paul and Santorum (Beck's pick) are like North and South Pole.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
He makes good points
The issue we (people that have one) have with Beck?
Is that we don't trust him.
So here's an idea for some enterprising video jockey out there. There are plenty on this board:
Make a video compilation of Beck's positions on key issues.
The things he said, in his own words, that make us not trust him. Call it "WHY WE DON'T TRUST YOU"
- about Ron Paul (specifically)
- about Deborah Medina
- backing Romney
etc etc
Don't do it in an insulting manner. Just feed him back his own recorded words. Then
Send it to him.
Tell him that - if he is willing to address the things in that video, point by point, on his show ...
And publicly discuss them, explain them, and say whatever specific apologies he needs to for what he said and did?
That would go a long way with people toward giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Because this general rant - although he does make good points - is not enough for people to trust that his motivations are sincere.
Send him an email explaining
Send him an email explaining this to him.
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
Calling Libertarians Nazis???
That's gonna win em over Beck! If they don't like you now, it's cause you haven't called em NAZI'S enough times yet; they will like you soon. You're disliked because of your lack of honesty, loyalty, and critical thought. Find some of those 3 things, and you'll be more liked. Calling names doesn't change anything.
You CLEARLY did not hear or
You CLEARLY did not hear or understand what he said. He called the fraction of all or nothing libertarians nazis, and the reference is a common reference to people who want everything their way. He even said how would you like when people in DC behaves like that. If you don't, then don't do it.
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
He can't even honestly admit the simple reason he is disliked...
It's simple. Beck is hypocritical and two-faced. While Beck did not "hate on" Ron Paul in 2008 or 2012 per say, Beck PULLED FOR Romney; whole-heartedly. Whatever motivated him to support Romney in such spirit, I don't want any. And I don't want that same "motivating force" (demonic possession) behind libertarianism.
No Beck is just echoing some of Ron Paul's sentiments like MSM-fed talking points... "Endless wars; hundreds of military bases, world policing..."
Let me see if I have this
Let me see if I have this right. Conservatism as an ideology has become worthless, because real conservatives did not protect the message from those who diluted and compromised, and who waved its flag while doing non-conservative things which would later tarnish the public perception of the ideology.
Now Glenn Beck is saying what? That we have a chance to bring in more people by turning libertarianism into the next conservatism?
More importantly, the reason libertarians refuse Beck's olive branches isn't that he's late to the game, it's because to anyone with half a brain Beck either comes across as an insincere sociopath, or as someone far "crazier" than the "crazy libertarians" he denounces.
Ask Robin Koerner, or Glenn Greenwald, or Cornell West, or Dennis Kucinich, or even friggin' Alan Grayson, if the liberty movement is welcoming to non-purists.
Sorry, Glenn, it's not ideological, it's just you.
Did any of you hating on Beck watch the video?
I'm very skeptical of Beck, but at least he has the balls to admit when he is wrong on things like foreign policy and the Patriot Act. I saw this as his attempt to form a coalition behind a candidate like Rand Paul so the Republican party isn't forced to nominate another handpicked establishment candidate again in 2016.
Only problem I can see with his request is that yes, forming this coalition will work as long as it is around a candidate like Rand, but if you try to move it to someone else who values different issues more it won't.
This is not a new act from
This is not a new act from Beck. He's been saying this to appeal to "libertarians" for some time now. He's still not even saying anything. Glenn Beck is not out there driving home the message of Austrian economics, Civil Liberties, the police state, the federal reserve, or even the military industrial complex. He's still not really saying much of anything. This is a gimmick of Mr. Beck. Do your own DD, don't take my word for it. Watch out for Glenn Beck, especially when it concerns Rand Paul. Glenn Beck is a snake and will bite you in the ass, given the opportunity.