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Glenn Beck apologizes to libertarians, begs them to welcome new people into the movement

Glenn Beck is upset about how he's received by libertarians. He says we're unwelcoming to newcomers and compares some libertarians to Nazi's. He even goes as far to apologize to libertarians for not knowing about liberty sooner... he's begging us to be nice and teach him and everyone else about liberty.

"Libertarians, I'm begging you... please... see the opportunity you have with 30-60% of the nation... people will come your way."

http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=256...

Glenn Beck famously once called Ron Paul supporters terrorists. In spite of that, he makes some good points about how we treat new people like him, who used to not agree with or even be downright mean to us. I was one of them. This is worth listening to.



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Like him or not

Glenn may be all the nasty things people say... He may be sincere in his enlightenment... Does it matter? Try to see the good here. The ideas are being discussed, they are being propagated. How many when exposed to the ideas of Liberty will stop at Glenn Beck? Will they be curious and go looking for more? Maybe they will run into Tom Woods or Lew Rockwell, start reading... it is possible that all the repressive and slanted moves by the anti Liberty crowd are helping. We are growing by leaps and bounds when I consider the struggle over the last 40 years. There is much to celebrate. You may not like Glenn or trust him, you may not even like Rand or Ron, but they all have a part to play in the promotion of Liberty as do you. Stop attacking those who are not perfect and try to seek more perfection in ourselves. I'm not saying promote, endorse or trust GB, but if you attack him in front of someone who likes him you will lose their attention to the ideas you may be discussing. Beck listeners are fertile grounds for Liberty, when they bring up Glen to me I simply say " Glen has come a long way in his understanding of Liberty." Then I get back to the ideas... the ideas are what matter.

What good is Freedom of the press, if the Press will not Press For Freedom? - UR

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Ask not what your government can do for the people, ask what can the people do for the people. - UR

Here's the Beck, Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, O'Reilly problem...

They all think that THEY have all the answers. They thrive off of division - none of them are willing to call out the problems in THEIR party.

Most people I've come across, that have listened to these propagandists for a long time, are as bad as the people that are sold out to O'Bummer. They're not willing to humble themselves to even consider information outside the loop in their minds.

Yes, there's always hope. I used to have my head comfortably buried in the sand too. But the hour is late. We don't have time to babysit people who have closed minds.

I still say, "Put on your Hannitizer" when dealing with Beck. It kills strong germs.

http://www.rxforliberty.com/sean/

Restore the Foundations - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

There is merit to that

While I have a very hard time believing that GB is anything but a total phony, his listeners are just ordinary people like you and I. And they very well might start to look at other liberty sources (e.g. Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Peter Schiff, Tom Woods) and that would certainly be a great thing.

As

much as I hate Beck...he does have somewhat of a point. Look at some of the other people we love in this movement....Tom Woods...he openly admits he used to be a neocon before he opened up and started to see what was really going on.

We do tend to be pretty picky in this movement. Ripping apart people like Gary Johnson because perhaps he didn't share 100% of our beliefs...or did or said something 20 years ago....or perhaps doesn't know all of the intricate details of the Fed.

We do need to be more open....even to those people we despised before....if we don't we'll continue to be a small movement.

That being said...calling libertarians Nazi's isn't going to help your case Beck.

Beck seems disengenuous, but what if he isn't?

No doubt, I find it hard to believe Beck; however, I have to think about my own conversion process and also what I've heard from others.

A lot of us went through a transition period where we held conflicting beliefs. The conversion didn't happen over night, it was a long process. The difference is our conversion didn't get played out over national TV. If mine did, I'm sure I would be criticized as inconsistent and conflicting during that time.

If you listen to the story from Mike Church and Tom Woods, they also had went through a transition period. Mike describes his foreign policy stance was the last to fall, but he held onto it to the bitter end. It was difficult.

Does this mean Beck is truly converting? No, but it says maybe we can't say for sure he isn't either.

I think Beck has had more than enough time.

Esp when he's got paid staffers who steal a large portion of Alex Jones' material.

The key thing in a full conversion to Liberty, IMHO, is to recognize, for lack of a better word, a great conspiracy that threatens not just the freedom of all nations, but the very lives of people everywhere.

When you finally accept that FACT. i.e., that there IS A DEVIL, then you finally awaken spiritually to the true meaning of Liberty. Because you can't comprehend Freedom unless you come to understand its opposite.

Too many Christians and non believers have bought into the lie that there is no devil, or stated in secular terms -- that our own government and their partner in crime, the global plutocratic elite, couldn't possibly be trying to destroy our dollar, our economy, our freedoms, our very lives, our peace.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Agreed

I think you are right on. Imagine the boost to the liberty movement if Rush Limbaugh jumps aboard and someone like Bill Maher. And I truly think there are signs they will. This is the recipe for victory. This president has done every thing he can to divide this great country. Victory will be achieved by uniting people of all philosophies under the tent of liberty.

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He is...

you don't make 50 million and then bite the hand that feeds you!

You do what your masters tell you...and, he is.

Trust glenda beck? Not on your life!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Never said to trust

I'm saying continue to treat him as someone that needs to be pushed.

Yes, the litmus test will be when he puts the truth before his career.

Judge Napolitano bit the hand that feeds him with Freedom Watch. He is also still on Fox. I guess it is not impossible to be paid well and tell the truth, it is just improbable. So what I'm saying is that if Beck does the same then that would put him in the same footsteps of someone like Mike Church. I never said he was there yet or even stated he was following in the same footsteps, but if he can be pushed to do so then so be it.

Embrace all

If it be Rachel Maddow, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh or Bill Maher, just remember these people have a huge national and global audience. The prime objective is to spread the message of liberty! I say embrace them and use their platform as a vehicle. I see this as an opportunity! Liberty brings people of all persuasion together.

Utilize is a better term

When you say embrace, I think that sounds like we should support the individuals. I would say we should utilize them. We definitely should take the opportunity to get the message of liberty out there. If we are invited, take them up on it.
Why? Because I've encountered others who became converts to liberty because a few people called in to these shows to support Ron Paul. Even though they weren't well received, it caused people to look into who is this Ron Paul guy. That resulted in changing some peoples minds.

True

I agree with you. I just think that we should follow the example of Dr. Paul and welcome every awakened individual possible.

Beck is a paid operative and

Beck is a paid operative and shill for the group that did 911 and hoaxed the Sandy Hook shooting.

I know it's hard for sheeple to accept this fact. The reason it's hard for them is because they never do their own research, because they're lazy and care free about the operations and machinations of 2 dozen government intelligence agencies operating in this country (that's not including the agencies of foreign governments like Israel).

Will they ever scratch the superficial surface and make rational decisions?

Are you going to be lulled into compliance and shafted again by repeat-offenders like Glenn "the Shill" Beck?

Just the other day he had a shill parent on his show trying to "debunk" the staged Sandy Hook. It was so bad and obviously scripted that he totally exposed himself to those with eyes to see.

Luckily for Beck and co, most people are blinded by the mass-hypnosis from the media and like cowardly children, unwilling to confront the truth blazing below the hypnotic facade.

The solution is to tell people like Beck to GO TO HELL and forget about him. Don't listen to his show, boycott his sponsors and turn the TV off.

There are 300 million people in this Country with voices, WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH FROM YOU GLEN BECK.

This guy has a lot of power...

To bad he is like a dog chasing a car. Not sure what would happen if he actually caught one.

The image of salt that has lost it's savor comes to mind. Useless. What else is there to say?

We're "fascists"!?!?

He just couldn't resist using his same old name calling and misrepresentation tactic in the midst of an "apology" by calling opinionated Libertarians "fascists."

That's the wrong word, Beck.

The right words for some of us might be: arrogant, obstinate, unforgiving, impatient, smug, "think you know it all", condescending, etc.

But NOT "fascist"!

By portraying us that way, he nullifies his own apology and gives hard evidence he is still a shill for the PTB, whose orders to people on their payroll like Rush, Beck, and virtually all mainstream folks, are to belittle the Freedom movement and cause divisiveness.

I did hear him correctly, didn't I, or am I misunderstanding him?

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Beck

makes it seem like people like me are just against his opinion, therefore a phony and opposite against freedom of speech.

The reason I dislike Beck is because he deliberately lied and orchestrated a campaign of deception about Ron Paul. I would be more understanding if he was just uninformed, but it's really because he's a self-serving NEO-CON.

I really think he is an Obama supporter. Seriously.

To Glenn: Begin with the Non-Aggression Principle

Dear Glenn,

Publicly endorse and discuss the Non-Aggression Principle.

Have Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and Tom Woods on your radio show.

Read and discuss the book FOR A NEW LIBERTY, by Murray Rothbard, on your show.

Glenn, anyone can (and many do) call themselves libertarians, just like many call themselves Christians. It's just words - and words can either mean everything or nothing.

The philosophy of liberty is something you live, not just claim to support out of one side of your mouth, while you embrace anti-liberty stances out of the other side.

Glenn, pick a side - and truly live it. Until then, I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth.

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
― Albert Camus

Beck is right

When you are winning someone over to your way of thinking, you show graciousness. Some people cannot allow opponents to change their minds without rubbing their noses in their past errors. That is no way to treat a new convert.

I welcome Beck's transformation, however slow or tentative it has been. I've been watching it for several months...he's not advocating the same things he advocated 5 years ago. He may not be a consistent libertarian, but he's come a long way from where he started.

Penn Jillett has done a great job making a friendship with Beck, then letting logic, humor, and good will do the rest. I've watched the interplay between the two. Beck is open to the ideas because Penn does not say "think as I do or I'll reject you."

Best way

to handle a situation like this, when a fierce opponent of the truth decides to try and take the high ground and deem himself a victim is to remain "Neutral", if he is sincere the fruits of his labour will show, if he is two faced then we will see EXACTLY what he is all about. If he support the candidate that is the MOST for peace and remains like that throughout the process more power to him. We neither have to shower him with love, and we certainly do not have to attack him as it is now a new cycle with new circumstances. Dr Paul always remains diplomatic and open, even with his enemies. People do change, and on occasion even evil is humbled by the mass movement of people towards peace, unity, and a different approach to society based on community. Beck did go after the federal reserve quite a bit. He is far from perfect, and he didn't help Dr Paul when he could have many times but we do still need to build alliances. That is in the end how we win. We unite, and the ones that think will be saved through their actions, let them unite for peace as well. At least the conversation has changed drastically in our favor. WE HAVE WON!

NEVER TRUST HIM!!!

HE IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED. He is a SHILL!!

Malarkey

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If Beck is serious about learning...

.. then he will apologize to Ron Paul. Ron has done more for the reinvigoration of liberty and human progress than possibly any single person in the past century.

I understand the idea that we need to welcome and teach new people, it kind of goes without saying and I don't know any libertarian that isn't always trying to teach people that are not already part of the movement. Obviously Beck's biggest problems with the r3volution stems from a disagreement on foreign policy. I do not mean to sound one sided, but anyone truly studying the philosophy of the founders and the tendencies of human conduct will come to the same condemnation of American imperialism as Ron Paul. The purpose of military action in a free society is the defense of the life, liberty and property of the nation. More American life, liberty and property has been taken in the name of the war on terror than ever could have been taken by the third world regimes whose overthrow and subsequent colonization had the full support of Glenn Beck.

No student of liberty could ever support a war on an enemy as ambiguous as terror, whose definition keeps growing closer to home as the label of "enemy combatant" is left to the discretion of bureaucrats. What Glenn Beck and people like Ann Coulter and John Bolton fail to grasp is the connection between the path to economic freedom and the road blocks created by the mainstream foreign policy. How could we ever expect to decentralize government now that we have given government the power to kill American citizens without due process of law? These kind of people hand to governmnent any amount of power without question so long as they justify it by claiming its usefullness in the war against Muslim extremism. They gleefully defend the power to inflate and allocate dollars to give foreign aid to their pet "ally" nations to fund their socialist entitlement programs and prop up tyrannical dictators and wonder why it is so difficult to cut the domestic welfare state.

I would be very surprised if most libertarians did not give Glenn Beck some respect if he just apologized to Ron Paul. It just couldn't be that hard to apologize the most honest and irreproachable politician in American history.

Probably the single best thing Beck could do

It would go a long way. He will be much more convincing when he is willing to put his career on the line to tell the truth. He should listen to Mike Church or Tom Woods if he wants to know what a former establishment individual sounds like when truly converted to the cause of liberty.

absolutely

I know that people say that they would never accept Glenn, but I think that they would come around pretty quick if he started using his position to challenge the MIC and really started focusing on high level economic thought. Tom Woods is the perfect example. Tom always talks about being a neocon, hell I used to be a neocon lol.

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You nailed it.

"I would be very surprised if most libertarians did not give Glenn Beck some respect if he just apologized to Ron Paul. It just couldn't be that hard to apologize to the most honest and irreproachable politician in American history."

You nailed it.

It wouldn't even cost much, if anything, to anybody.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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That still...

would not be enough for me.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

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Anyway... AFAIC, and as I tried to point it out below

Anyway... AFAIC, and as I tried to point it out below in an earlier comment... Mr. Beck "is much welcome" to embrace libertarian ideas.

He is a free man in a free society, isn't he? Aren't we all?

Well... "kinda".

HOWEVER !

I sincerely fear that Mr. Beck ALSO has quite a FREAKING bit of HOMEWORK to do and catch up with, on principles. Like... History is important matter, for instance. So is sound money. So is self-reliance. So are points of the 9th and 10th amendments. Proposed homework essay, Glenn:

Discuss "rights" vs. "entitlements". Please give thesis, anti-thesis for each, and conclude of your own.

... Etc.

I think Mr. Beck...

... SHOULD START NOW.

To be REALLY ready TO THINK AS A REALLY FREE INDIVIDUAL in a few years, hopefully.

So far, in that video, I've mostly heard a lot ranting on how much "close minded some libertarians are" - and not a lot of compliments on Ron Paul's 40 YEARS STRAIGHT IN A ROW-LONG STAND FOR THE CONSTITUTION - or humble auto-criticism on Glenn's past overlookings.

Strange way to appeal to the next movement you're supposedly newly friendly with and attracted to.

Or DID I MISS SOMETHING?

I am sorry my words cannot be more kind, Mr. Beck. But that's just the returned change I have for your own.

"Kind words don't cost much, yet they accomplish much."

-- Blaise Pascal

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Glenn Beck- LOL

Glenn Beck: "Please, please save my butt all you Ron Paul people I burned! I promise! I love Debra Medina! I love Ron Paul! There really are FEMA camps! They're manned! Pretty please - save me!
(just like when Dorothy threw the bucket of water on Strawman... the wicked witch started to dissolve). My answer: NO. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. These pundits and politicians have NO place to go. Before we left Tampa, we said: "Look at us, take a good look. WE are the future of the party". End of story.

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Ah, thanks for the refresher,

Ah, thanks for the refresher, Queen of Liberty. True:

"Before we left Tampa, we said: "Look at us, take a good look. WE are the future of the party"."

Are we men and women or our word?

Hasn't Ron Paul been STOLEN the "Republican" primaries?

We told them what WE THOUGHT of their disgusting MAFIA methods - "one last time".

Did I write "last"?

Use your best judgment.

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http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius