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Glenn Beck! Can you hear me now?

OldNo.7J.D. suggested I tell Mr. Beck my simple "sincerity test" so I emailed him. I do not facebook or twitter or watch / listen to his show. Here is my email:

"A Ron Paul libertarian can sum this up very succinctly for you.
It is about the non-aggression principle. If and when you embrace that simple tenet, I will believe you are a champion of liberty. I hope you will find Lew Rockwell an acceptable source for libertarian philosophy:

It is also a commandment of Christ:
"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I
have loved you, that ye also love one another." John 13:34
Not a suggestion, a commandment.

I was not wherever your contact was, but had I been, I would have snubbed him. I think you are a shill, trying to co-opt the libertarian movement and make it part of the warmongering machine that the OBushma years have been. Prove me wrong, please. Use your soapbox to teach non-aggression."

I got blown off by self-serving auto-reply. I am shocked, shocked, I tell you...

"Thanks so much for the email. Due to the volume of mail this may be the only response you see.
While I do not always see it in a timely fashion I do try to read all of my mail. However, I average over 4000 letters a day and there is no way I can respond to most letters.
I am glad you are watching/listening and even though you may not see a response, I want you to know that I am listening as well.

Glenn Beck

P.S. To keep up with everything that's happening on the show, make sure you're signed up for my free email newsletter. Sign up here:"

He included a link I won't promote here.
But I figured I try to turn up the heat a little and see if we can get a semi-official "Ron Paul libertarian" reply thread. I think we can get his attention. Have your own litmus test? Put it into words, post it. Agree with me? Vote it up.

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Nice venting at that sold out tratior shilld GB

Good on you.


Glen Beck is a bridge

He speaks to Neo-cons and starts to drag them to the liberty movement without he himself crossing over. He stands at the gate saying don't listen to Alex or Lew or Ron but people do and some cross over.

Its the same with these weird TV preachers ... Some listen and begin to cross ... then they hear more solid teaching and realize these TV guys are full of bunk ... but some crossed over through their efforts.

my take

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Stand up For your Civil Rights

Beck has no integrity.

He is done. Noone will ever respect him again. He made his bed.

Problem is

If you accept the NAP fully, you become an anarchist like me, not a libertarian.

Full embrace of the NAP means you don't believe in the existence of a state because coercion (which is a form of aggression) is required for the state to exist. In other words, full embrace of the NAP means you can't even accept the legitimacy of the U.S. Constitution, because the Constitution authorizes aggression.

Shhhh! Baby steps!

Know the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist (or what I prefer to call a self-governor)?
About 5 years, average.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

took me about 2

took me about 2

f___ all forms of govt.

Glenn Beck is just another

Glenn Beck is IMHO just another rectal opening. He NEVER passed up an opportunity to attack all of us and Ron Paul. He openly and repeatedly lied about Ron Paul and other liberty minded politicians (Debra Medina is one that comes to mind) at every opportunity. And when he and his cohorts attack someone using their radio show, they do it like a pack of hyenas. Someone mentioned a biblical quote in the comments below. Here is another one that comes to mind when it comes to Mr Beck:

"Matthew 7:16 is the sixteenth verse of the seventh chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. This verse continues the section warning against false prophets.
In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads:
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men
gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

The problem is Beck believes it IS defense not aggression

So even if one of his interns happens to read this and bring it to his attention he'll dismiss it right off the bat. "What do you mean we're the aggressors?! remember 911?! we we're attacked! we need to get them there before they get us! We need to... monger monger monger blah blah blah..." so yeah... You're absolutely right but the guy is so dense it will bounce right off his pointy little head.

Until he is convinced that we are engaged in unconstitutional and immoral aggression you are talking to a brick wall. No offense to brick walls.

All that said I do like the test and believe it is very telling where you stand politically. I just think he'll continue to fail the test while simultaneously shouting from the roof tops how he passes the non-aggression principle with flying colors and anyone who disagrees with him is an extremist kook who hates our country. The guy is toxic if you ask me, but like you've said it is a good test to remind others of who aren't so hard headed and delusional. Great letter fishy!

I like the "non-aggression" litmus test.

We all need to always think about how aggressive/ non-aggressive we are.

You clearly do not understand

You clearly do not understand the non-aggression principle.

Fishy Please Don't Waste Your Time

on that insignificant piece of garbage. You have far better things to do with your time. You know how you know when someone isn't important to you? When nothing they say or do matters to you. GB doesn't matter enough to me to even acknowledge. He doesn't exist to me. If more people ignore him he won't have any power anymore. Same with Michael Moore Rush Limbaugh and many other losers. The worst thing that can happen to these hams is to be ignored. That is death to them. Let's all just pretend they don't exist. They have no power over us!



The comment is more to remind people here that some principles cannot be compromised. You cannot be truly libertarian and believe you have the right to be an aggressor. This IS what Beck is doing, I assure you. He and Rand will compromise on "a little war" and we are supposed to fall in line.
If Beck reads it, bonus. If people here fall in line with this BS, I'll be referencing this post in the future.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

skippy I agree AND I'll go even further

"Ignoring them" is what governments fear the most too.

psnow's picture

The worst..

Just laugh 'em off the stage.

"I just want to live in a free country" - Dr. Ron Paul

I do not for a minute

believe Beck is sincere. I believe Beck to be a tool for the zionist.

Beck will never fool me...because I will never give him the opportunity to do so.


Great post. Of course GB doesn't care about anything but ratings and probably wanting to co-opt the movement. Remember that Glenn Beck continued to hawk the scammers at Goldline even after Peter Schiff told him that it was a scam. What an absolute snake Glenn Beck is.

It's a shame Vince Vaughn has teamed up w/ him instead of sticking w/ Ron Paul the whole time. I'll forgive VV as misguided but well meaning.

hey VV's gotta eat right?

he's an entertainer and oh look Glen Beck is too!

don't buy the Karl Rove playbook...

I told my buddy I have been arguing with this past week " At the end of the day, you.know where I stand...I am intolerant of Republican compromises....I don't trust them, nor their lipservice to BOTH Ron Paul on fiscal stuff(even if they hate his foreign policy positions)...and their lipservice to Rand(who would REPEAL Obamacare, and a host of other obnoxious Executive Branch dictatorial powers/privileges)"

They can play "tea party patriots" like Johnny-come-lately's all they want....they're full of crap!

THIS Ron Paul movement started the tea party, and
they hijacked it....and now all they do is marginalize us by associating us with Alex Jones, while they court loyal Republicans for support by using Ron Paul's domestic policy positions, and RINO outrage; while also selling Rand Paul to them, even though Rubio and Alan West are their preferences...

I hope we steal their audience away, as we keep exposing them as opportunistic frauds and overpaid hypocrites!

Ah grasshoppa...

The Karl Rove playbook is exactly what we need to study. For Karl Rove is enemy number 1 to our movement as he has declared war on Rand Paul and the Tea Party. Rove backed a moderate in a backroom deal in 07 and paid heavily for it. He lost two national elections.

We are all individuals that can learn from his playbook and use it against him in the midterm elections. There is a fkn reason why he is declaring war on us now. He knows he has to solidify the most ardent supporters now and define his enemies. Rove drew first blood.. and if we want to win we better sure as hell understand the opponent we are up against.

I dare to suggest watching 'Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story'

Karl Rove didnt make it happen, Lee Atwater was the Wizard behind the machine.

Our movement needs leadership and tenacity like Lee Atwater before it is hijacked by those with press access.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Nice Try Beck..


Trying to join us now that you mention on FOX that you support Rand?




Screw you. You are a Trojan horse.

Until you very publicly live your life and personal philosophy as a Liberty loving American, I suggest you continue to kiss the feet of OUR movement. Your lips can remain firmly on my ass until then.

Trying to co-opt our movement will not work. Period. Karl Rove and Graham better start putting in job applications.

You can continue to cheerlead though. We might all chip in for some pom-poms.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

scumbeck, all a sudden is the

scumbeck, all a sudden is the water boy for liberty? F#^% off

Glenn Beck Is a Phony

I don't trust him at all. He blasted Ron Paul during the primary.

He might just want RP supporters for ratings purposes but maybe it's also to be an establishment mouthpiece and co-opt the libertarian message.

Don't forget that he hawked Goldline at one point even AFTER Peter Schiff told him that Goldline was a scam (that had ridiculously overpriced mark-ups on gold, etc).

He's a snake.

First Rush and now Beck have all of a sudden found Jesus?

Beware of wolves in sheople's clothing! These two can never be trusted...period!

"Liberty tastes sweetest to those who fight for it, and most bitter to those who work to deny it!"



"I think you are a shill, trying to co-opt the libertarian movement and make it part of the warmongering machine that the OBushma years have been."

Oh, yes... absolutely. Thanks for doing that, fishy. Certainly was a nice try.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

SO what is your plan

other than pissing from the balcony. How do you intend to save the country?

Waste of time.

He is a SLIME BAG.

Why cast pearls before swine?

Why do you think he doesn't understand if you can educate him he can change?

Why not go reap first fruits and ripe wheat rather than chaff?

He reads his tweets

I can send this to him if you don't have a twitter account.

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Thoughtful proposal

Thoughtful proposal, sir.

But my intuition tells me you better hurry before too many comments pile up in this thread. I suspect a number of those won't be very very positive, overall... ;)

His character still seems "a bit off" with the liberty cause, for many of us. And to say the least...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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bump. +1

well done

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson


The last video I saw, he looked like a clown.. and this is how he presented himself as a libertarian. I keep hoping if we ignor him he will go away.