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Oath Keepers to the rescue? I think not here.

Our government, and particularly our courts, rely upon brute force to cow the populace into accepting their morally bankrupt system and decisions. Every day the armed sheriffs of this country acquiesce to the tyranny of our court system by sitting at the beck and whim of prosecutors and judges who routinely violate individuals' Constitutional rights, the Fifth Amendment in particular.

Ask any sheriff, even those who have signed into OathKeepers, what they would do in a courtroom if an individual defied a judge by declaring he would not obey a judge's unconstitutional order, or participate in a farcical proceeding. Raise a judge's ire and you will quickly and very forcefully see that the sheriff's deputies are much more concerned with keeping their jobs than they are about your Constitutional rights. They would not care even if the court claimed a duck was a cat and ordered you to accept their definition, which is how they control the masses. This fairy tale about the nations sheriffs riding to the rescue over unconstitutional gun control doesn't pan out when we view the past violations of our Constitution that they have and continue to participate in.

Think you have a right to remain silent? Just be accused of drinking and driving by a cop who you had reprimanded by his superiors a few months earlier. You will be taken by force to a disgustingly filthy drunk tank where the employees' sole job is to test individuals for alcoholic content of blood and where they rely upon you being guilty to fund their enterprise. If you refuse to allow an invasive procedure, by an individual with dubious skills but with obvious intent, you are subject to the most draconian punishments they can mete out.

I'm currently undergoing such an experience and absolutely refused to comply. The cop took me to a drunk tank in a hospital where just 5 months before my wife of 26 years contracted MRSA which cost her her life. Will that be admissible in court? Of course not. Will the fact that I requested a licensed physician be present, causing me to be ridiculed and verbally as well as profanely abused be allowed into evidence? Of course not. And all will be enforced by the armed guards present in the court room that every body is so excited about joining our cause. They've already proceeded too far down the slippery slope to ever be trusted or relied upon.

BTW we recently had two county judges tossed in the slammer for illegally locking up over four thousand juveniles in facilities they had large financial stakes in. The sheriffs did absolutely nothing while this was occurring other than to facilitate the judges scheme by being their strong arm. We no longer even have the right to elect the sheriff in this county, he’s appointed by the home rule committee.

And to anyone who has bought into the "driving is a privilege" nonsense the state utilizes to circumvent the Constitution, once Obama released massive amounts of dollars from the general fund for his economic stimulus, the benefits of such fundings are available equally to all without requiring us to surrender any Constitutional protections.

I've participated in paving an interstate highway with funding totally done by the stimulus package, tell me, will the courts interpret the "privilege" definition as just I'm not allowed to drive yet I am receiving the benefits of the roadway in some manner or other? Talk about ramming a camel through the eye of a needle, but I fully expect a decision along those fantastic lines. We'll see on March 22, the outcome is in doubt but the participation of the armed thugs to allow and most likely guarantee an unconstitutional outcome is ensured.



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Sorry about the loss of your

Sorry about the loss of your wife. Keep your chin up brother. Soon this court deal will be in the past.

I am an Oathkeeper

As are my sons,and my daughters. First may I say, sorry for the loss of your Wife. I know the pain and anger you are feeling. Sir i must rise to defend what i can only say, is ignorance of what you think we are about. Oathkeeper's are growing in leaps and bounds. The more the tyrannical GOV,push's,the more our ranks enlarge.We cannot,be present to protect someones,"rights in a traffic problem" this is not what were about,yes we are all about the constitution,but son, there are allot bigger fish to fry,on a national scale. rp4pres,listed the ten unlawful orders.I'm sorry son,but your traffic problems or DUI, isn't one of them. The TYRANNY will come for us first,make no mistake of that.This we know and prepare for.On that Day,only God Himself,will know the out come. Once again sorry for you're loss.

LIVE FREE OR DIE ...GOT BULLETS?

My loss is just that

mine and mine alone. I brought her death into the subject to merely demonstrate how serious and life threatening the actions of the police can become over something as innocuous as a DUI and not to find some type of sympathy.
Allow me to ask a question. Are you an officer of the court or law enforcement personnel? If you are then you also took an oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. Is there some type of loop hole that allows individuals to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they will respect or ignore? If not then how can we have faith that you won't behave in such a fashion with regards to your oath to Oath Keepers if it becomes personally , financially or politically expedient? Any time an officer slaps the cuffs on an individual at a judges order and without the full support of our Constitution they have a total disregard for the entire Constitution and not just one small inconsequential part. The founding fathers did nothing inconsequential and I get incredibly perturbed at the thought of anyone having the presumptuousness to believe they have the right to bend the true intent of the authors to their own agenda.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

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Folks,

Folks, I can see some unconstructive comments down below... May I kindly ask we put our guns down in our ranks and try refocus on the OP's sad story and experience?

... in order to try figure how to prevent this sort of things to happen too easily again, maybe?

Shall we?

This is worrisome and quite revolting, so can't we spend our energy more wisely to fight that better?

I'm really disgusted with what the OP has seemingly been going thru as another boiling frog of ours.

Please, let us fight THAT, not each others.

Just IMO.

Peace.

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we need a libertarian

we need a libertarian Yosemite Sam to make stuff up. he could deputize 10,000 men and put all the judges and lawyers behind bars, not to mention the bankers.

Yosemtie Sam wouldn't cotton to your jibber jabber

lawrence

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"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I think you should file suit over your wife

and write up your story. This should be your crusade.

I support the Oathkeepers. We don't know who they all are and it is better that way, to keep TPTB guessing. They won't know how deep the "rot" of patriotic constitutionalism has set in, a factor when the Day of Truth comes. It is not an organization maent to second guess a judges orders in individual cases. Think Tahrir Square when the army refused to fire on the crowds. That was the real beginning of the end for Mubarek. And so it shall be here, my friend. Prepare, and educate more cops and soldiers. Many want to do the right thing.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

While the MRSA was the cause of death

on the Death Certificate there were other much more disturbing factors at play. Read my response below as to individuals waiting too late to respond to the government. The political establishment here is an incestuous mix of local government with fire companies and ambulance companies supporting them. My wife suffered a massive coronary arrest and died in my arms. I immediately began CPR and at the same time was trying to get the ambulance crew to my home using the phone. There is nothing like a 911 operator telling you to calm down while you are trying to save your other half from death. To make a long tragic story short, I had her heart pumping but the hour and a half it took the ambulance to get her to the hospital proved too much for her brain. She was pronounced brain dead and I was forced to make the decision to watch her die again. I watched as she succumbed to the fluids building up in her lungs from the MRSA, it took two months. That's where a lawsuit would be appropriate but will it bring her back? One other mitigating factor was what caused the coronary, she was anorexic.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Sometimes

things don't appear as they were structured. The post was supposed to have three paragraphs, my apologies if it offended any sensibilities as it appeared.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Was it really lost on anyone that the sheriff who is the best...

known Oath Keeper," Richard Mack, endorsed Romney in the last election?

Nah, I think this thing will begin,if at all, with another "Lexington and Concord".

I did get SOME hope this morning. Some neocon nut attacked me on YouTube for my comments on the Ron Paul on Piers Morgan "Let British kids die" video. He called me a "libertarian troll," so I called him a "fool". Surprisingly, he became more reasonable, challenging me about "risking Iran getting a nuclear bomb". I told him about how Russia had sent Bear Bombers carrying live thermonuclear bombs into Guam's airspace and the Russian Foreign saying that Russia was tired of the US and Israel bullying the world and would use them if either the US or our "allies" attacked Iran. Shut him up good.

Lost on me.

That pretty well says it all.
Here's the thing - if these guys are about protecting the Constitution, how about they go bust out anyone incarcerated for "possession" as that is a specifically protected Constitutional right.
How about they protect the raw milk farmers and customers, as my right to "life" and "pursuit of happiness" entitle me to drink raw milk for my health if I so choose. Instead, Obamacare will commence, against my will.
And I have a daughter in law in the same boat the OP describes. For a victimless "crime" she is hooked into the system, and gets to pay, pay, pay - in an economy where work is scarce and a rural area where it is basically nonexistent, they REQUIRE full time employment - so she can pay, pay, pay. How about one of the "Oath Keepers" show up at her next PO meeting and tell the guy that he is there to defend her rights?
It is all show and bravado. It is every man for himself, which I suppose is good. Self governance is the goal, it is just going to be a bumpy road there.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

"How about one of the "Oath Keepers" show up at her next PO

meeting and tell the guy that he is there to defend her rights?"

Why don't you do it? Don't you believe in the same things they do?

There is, I believe, a real and LARGE battle coming.. people are prone to fight within the system of law. They make clear as to what they stand for on their website but to expect them to stand up for you or anyone else on the scale of what's going on today in every city is silly. There are way more of US than there are of them but nobody is rushing to be the next Dorner..

It's sad to watch but revolutions take time to build. Trashing OathKeepers when they're on of the groups that are trying is sad too. Unless you have proof that their organization is evil then pipe down.

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I am not trashing anyone

I was going to take over the GOP, had the best of intentions and fought hard. I am sure these guys think they are doing what they can, but it is too little too late, and people need to NOT expect the Oath Keepers to win their rights back for them.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

What the hell?

http://polymontana.com/sheriff-richard-mack-endorses-romney-...

You Basssstarrrrd! I didn't even know this.... grrrrr.... so Mr. Mack endorses Mr. "I woulda signed the NDAA?"

Wall of Text

Spacing and paragraphs are your friends!

Sometimes

things don't appear as they were structured. The post was supposed to have three paragraphs, my apologies if it offended any sensibilities as it appeared. My first attempt to reply to you ended up as it's own comment, things are not always the fault of the individual.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Alrighty, Then...

...um, good talk.

Thank you for your voice.

it is unfortunate that some wait until the STATE takes a swing at them to finally speak out. Why is it we don't notice the tyranny until it slams us in the face?

...mind boggling. Their evil plan is quite genius.

I agree with your contention that people wait till it's too late

but I have been in this fray since 2002. I attempted to run a hot dog cart at our County Courthouse and raised the ire of many politicians and judges by doing so. For months I was a front page story of "David vs. Goliath". Local TV placed noon time remote feeds at my cart daily. I have quite a sharp tongue as well as pen and utilized both to castigate the politics as usual here in NE PA. And unfortunately I am still paying the price for standing my ground. I've even been convicted of resisting arrest by an individual who testified he wasn't a legal police officer. We have always had jury nullification here, unfortunately it is open for the highest bidder.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

If you don't have a story like that to tell..

you're doing it wrong :)

Thank you for your service to your country and my children.

Sorry about your wife

Concerning your rant: That's all it is for the most part. You drag OathKeepers into it and blanket blame them all for your troubles. That's not very nice.

I don't doubt that there are people who have signed onto OathKeepers that might not have the backbone to stand up but that could be said about any human being. I have yet to see enough evidence that would condemn a whole group of them and in fact, I've only seen good for a very large part.

In the end though.. they are only one form of defense.. I AM my own.

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Rant hell

it's a true representation of the facts and I defy your ignorant, ankle biting ass to show me I'm wrong. I'll tell you what, in the future please pay no attention to my post, I will accord you the same courtesy. See, I win either way, if you wish to continue your ill advised, ineffectual ego enhancing attacks I'll just continue to expose you for the cretin you have demonstrated yourself to be repeatedly. If you go off on your own little worlds way I won't have to waste time brushing off the insignificant attacks you seem so endeared to. Nothing is worse than a desperate individual struggling for recognition that will never come. Show me once where I wasted either of our time on a post you made. I'll make it plain...you don't matter now and you never will. Keep up your delusion that the Oath Keepers are going to be riding in to the rescue like the cavalry in a B grade western, my self I know better and I've outlined examples that prove me to be correct.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

You upset me so bad you almost made my

lower lip quiver.

"Nothing is worse than a desperate individual struggling for recognition that will never come."

True which is probably why you posted what you did.

Here we go..

"Every day the armed sheriffs of this country acquiesce to the tyranny of our court system by sitting at the beck and whim of prosecutors and judges who routinely violate individuals Constitutional rights, the Fifth Amendment in particular."

True but then you go to this fun part.

"Ask any sheriff, even those who have signed into OathKeepers, what they would do in a courtroom if an individual defied a judge by declaring he would not obey a judges unconstitutional orders or participate in a farcical proceeding."

Have you asked them? Have you asked enough to make a blanket statement like that? Have you and Vince went around the country asking OathKeepers those questions? No, of course not.. You're just here to bad mouth the OathKeepers which would do harm to your neocon agendas.

Take a look.. I'm sure you've never read through them before.

OATH KEEPERS: ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY

Click here to read full length version.

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Your list includes a lot of things they purport to not do

what I actually see them DO is to empower a court system that is repeatedly and systematically in the vanguard of dismantling our Constitutional protections. Tell me, if they will over look the violation of one Amendment why in God's name would they risk any thing to protect another? Unless it's to buy time for the establishment, they know full well that over riding the Second Amendment is the point of no return and they are not as sure of the outcome yet as they would like to be. Smoke and mirrors might be the phrase I'm searching for. BTW nice editing, shows me how distracted you have become.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

What you see them do?

Can you site cases and names of specific OathKeepers that you know to have broken their Oaths?

I've been editing things on this site, day one.. One of your problems is that you try to read into things and you just don't have the skill to do so.

In this case I edited it because I have one page open and it's sometimes hard to copy and paste efficiently so I paste something.. let it go through then backtrack and open another page to copy more content.

I do this because it's more of a pain to open another encrypted and proxied connection.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Talk of lacking skills

Read my post title. You seen to be lacking the most prerequisite skills to comprehend even the simplest post. An intelligent person would have observed that the two operative words in the post were "not here". Definition..."not" as in no, negative, not present. "here" as in where I am. And from where I am ace I've seen plenty to back up my contentions. Go back to your sixth grade logic, I'm weary of your shrill postings and your indefensible ravings about your imaginary universe of which you are under the delusion encompasses every one else. Thanks for keeping the post on top however.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

The context of your post says differently

and that's what we've been discussing. Stop grabbing at straws.

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I agree with her about oath keepers.

If I could find one handful of oath keepers, currently IN OFFICE... who will actually refuse to follow unlawful orders - IN PRACTICE - which means UNCONSTITUTIONAL ones... which means ALL drug "laws" which do not include harm or injury...

We're FREE damnit! That's why you can't TELL US WHAT TO DO!

When are these SERVANTS going to get that thru their skulls? What will it take? The people who develop the training programs need to be tried and hung for treason... that would be a good start.

I'm starting to believe in capital punishment again... if not for the fact that I can't think of any other effective solution. Let's all just burn in hell together shall we?

What the hell is going on!?? Can't these people read a simple contract? Okay fine they don't read it I get that much.... but when you point it out to them... hey you agreed to this if you do something against that agreement it's TREASON... then they just beat you down, taze you, kill you or drag you through a multi-year mega-thousand dollar court catastrophe win or lose...

You haven't been looking

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How the hell do you know what I've done?

Are you all knowing or are you an idiot? There's only two choices here. Am I under 24/7 surveillance rp4pres and that's how you know this? If so can I get some mailing information please so I can send my claim?

What color is my couch?