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Responding to anti-Muslim hatred at gun rally

So the other day a few friends and I attended the national day of resistance. It was in Memphis, TN at Range USA. There were tons of Neocon Tea Party types there.... One of the speakers got up and started spewing hatred towards Muslims and my friend and I got pretty upset. We have Muslim friends who are pro-liberty.... you understand. So this clip is a video I took of my friend responding to the hate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5h9oCIlOcU&feature=youtu.be




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You're not just writing off

You're not just writing off their votes you're writing off a Constitutional foreign policy. People that are racist are indifferent to if not downright foaming at the mouth over the killing of Arabs. All things being equal they support killing Arabs.

Ventura 2012

Not true. European

Not true. European nationalists like Le Pen are very anti-Islam but also non-interventionist on foreign policy. Similarly, many American paleoconservatives, such as Pat Buchanan and Chuck Baldwin are vehemently anti-Islam. Baldwin said:

"Either Bush is totally naïve about the Islamic religion, or he is purposely trying to deceive the American people, because the Islamic religion is anything but peaceful or tolerant.
The Muslim religion has been a bloody, murderous religion since its inception. Mohammed built the Islamic faith on violence, coercion, and intimidation. Contrary to Bush's claim, the Koran is anything but "holy." In fact, it is among the most unholy books ever written. It blatantly and repeatedly calls for the slaughter of non-Muslim people. The Koran also encourages terrorism and plunder. Christians and Jews are specifically targeted for discrimination in the Koran. Furthermore, only communism rivals Islam in sheer numbers of people persecuted and killed."

I'm not saying I agree with these guys - I don't. I'm just trying to point out it is impossible to be anti-Islam without wanting to blow them off the face of the Earth.

Yes, this is the ideology of

Yes, this is the ideology of the "Old Right" but it's probably the most irrelevant ideology today. I used to be a Buchananite. Old Rightists are far more nuanced than the Average American and there's simply no question that a bigot will me more likely to compromise on foreign policy than someone that doesn't think killing foreigners is playing with "house money".

Ventura 2012

I think you meant "possible", not impossible.

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Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Yeah, typo, sorry.

Yeah, typo, sorry.

Muslim

and Arab are not the same thing.

Opposing Islam is not racism any more than opposing any other religion is - Islam, like all religions AND atheism, is a belief system.

On the other hand, hating Muslims as people is a terrible thing and needs to be avoided.

Sorry, I feel the need to correct the terminology - I agree with the overall point, but there is a difference.

That's fine, I use them both

That's fine, I use them both because the ignorant mass hate or are homicidally indifferent to both Arabs as a race and Muslims generally

Ventura 2012

True

But you'd still be automatically writing them all off... And then you have to consider everyone who will go WITH them because they won't listen to people who spew hate...

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

So where's the video of the guy talking trash against muslims?

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Well,

I didn't get that on vid. But he went on for several minutes about Sharia Law, and how the government is full of Muslims at the upper levels. And he was saying things like "Islam is the real threat to our rights..." and "We need our guns to defend ourselves from the terrorists"

To name a few... I wish that I had gotten his rant on tape, but I didn't even consider filming until my friend said he was gonna go say something

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Well isn't that convenient that you say you were . . .

“Responding to anti-Muslim hatred at gun rally”
BUT, didn't record it. Hmmmm
OR, is it that you have Muslim Friends and don't like it that someone else doesn't like Muslims?
BTW, you need to educate yourself about Muslims and what they are and what they are here for. They certainly are NOT here to assimilate as Americans and the American way of life, no, they are here to further their agenda of invasion and to Convert people to Islam, AND Sharia Law.
Believing otherwise means you have fallen into the trap of believe these Muslims are AMERICAN just because, they are in America. You should Educate yourself before BLINDLY thinking Muslims like America/Americans or the American way of life.
Plus; Obama is NOT a Christian . . . obama is an Islamic Muslim.

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Can a Devout Muslim Be an American Patriot and Loyal Citizen?

Theologically

NO , because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia .

Scripturally

NO , because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Koran.

Geographically

NO , because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially

NO , because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically

NO , because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically

NO , because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Koran 4:34 ).

Religiously

NO , because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. This is intolerance (Koran, 2:256)

Intellectually

NO , because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically

NO , because Islam, Muhammad, and the Koran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.

Spiritually

NO , because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Koran's 99 excellent names.

Democracy and Islam CANNOT co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Therefore after much study and deliberation it is felt we must be very suspicious of all Muslims in this country.

They cannot be good Muslims and good Americans. Call, it what you wish it is still the truth. Muslims are not permitted to be good Americans by their religion.

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Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on immigrants and being an AMERICAN
in 1907.
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.
But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here.
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

- Theodore Roosevelt 1907

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/02/26/russia-is-prepa...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/21/the-gun-is-ci...

Former FBI Counter Terror Agent: “Obama’s Next CIA Director, Muslim Brotherhood/Islam Convert”
http://patriotupdate.com/2013/02/former-fbi-counter-terror-a...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlni3UpYaUc

Obama Admits He Is A Muslim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY
The Obama Deception
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j0_FvTJC5Y

US Imam Calls on Muslims in US to Wage Jihad
http://nation.foxnews.com/us-imam/2013/02/27/us-imam-calls-m...
http://patriotupdate.com/2013/02/u-s-imam-calls-on-muslims-i...
"to Wage Jihad" = "Wage War"!

If you were at this "event", would you go up to the podium and speak-out to the "US Imam" that you don't like his "Terrorist Sounding Threat"?
Or, do you prefer to believe; "that's not what he actually meant".

I'm a proof guy too but I think it's pretty clear from

what his friend said and what the speaker said afterward that the implication was something was said prior that caused those actions.

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Oh yeah...

And what's up with you insinuating that nobody there even said anything anti-muslim? Listen to the crowd... They knew what he was talking about.

It's obvious that something was said. I just didn't think about recording anything until I realized my friend was going to speak. Next time I'll get the whole thing though I promise.

Also, it's not that our muslim friends just don't like anyone saying anything bad about them. They weren't even at this event. My friend and I just happen to care about other human beings enough that it upsets me when people denegrate an entire population for believing a certain way.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Dang

Im aware of some of what you are saying. We are dealing with a group of immigrants who want sharia law in TN, but that isn't what I'm talking about. I know some Muslims who are pro liberty. They have a group called Muslims for liberty. I agree with you when you say Islam is incompatible with liberty, but honestly, how many people do you know that REALLY understand their own religion? Most of the Christians I know wouldn't be able to defend their faith against an educated atheist. My research suggests that many Muslims are the same way. In some cases they are even discouraged to study the Koran.

I have heard these things from friends of mine who are Muslims as well of friends who are missionaries to Islamic states. They encounter average Muslims every day. They aren't as evil as everyone assumes. If we were to be honest, Christians are a bigger threat in America than Muslims are. But they aren't true Christians. That's what I'm saying. And honestly I still don't understand why it would matter if Obama were Muslim. I mean he's been drone-bombing Islamic countries his whole presidency. That doesn't sound like a very Muslim thing to do to your own people. Maybe I'm missing something.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

The irony of course is that

The irony of course is that he would have been called a conspiracy theorist anti-Semite by the folks there had he said that there are hard core Zionist Jews at every level of our government.

And here.

Sadly.

You should always video these events.. We have a lot of enemies

It could be that this guy wanted to spout crap like that to tie your event with Muslim hating. It also provides proof of what prompted your friend to act.

If it all went down like you said, I commend your friend for squashing it promptly like he did.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Yes

I will definitely be recording the future events. I had no idea that a gun rally could get so bad though... That's why I didnt even consider filming until my friend said he wanted to speak.

I was kinda in shock when that guy started spewing anti-Muslim hate. I was like... Why are we talking about islam at a gun rally?

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

If we're going to beat these people

we have to be smarter and be prepared for what they might throw at us, whether it's from an individual acting alone or an intentional smear tactic.

I'm glad you're going to be recording future events.. Look at it this way too.. You get to show "us" what's happening when we can't be there, it's good for morale and for the fact that we have thousands of pairs of eyes analyzing things. (Some seeing better than others but still) :)

Edit: By the way.. I'm a little low on funds for various reasons but I plan on getting HD recording glasses that I can wear anywhere.

A friend of mine has them too and she even had the lenses changed to her prescription lenses. They look pretty cool and since she's a little nerdy as am I, they don't stand out on her face. :)

I can't find her brand, I'll have to ask, but these are cheaper and come with wifi! Somewhat stylish no, if you're into that sort of thing? I personally could care less.. I'm looking for less obvious/stealth.

http://www.zioneyez.com/#/home/

Patriot Cell #345,168
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

"We need our guns to defend

"We need our guns to defend ourselves from the terrorists."

He's right. And our guns serve as a deterrent to them, too. If we had less gun free zones, that would drastically reduce the number of terror attacks.

He was implying

That all Muslims are terrorists.