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"...I Expected The American People To Rise Up. They Didn't."

"Certainly we would never stand for that. We did."


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I bumped this post for the hell of it.

it went from 67 upvotes to 81 upvotes in a matter of hours.

What does this say? I don't know...

Happy Thanksgiving.

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because we only rise up

Against Republicans. older people are too tired.

There is a campaign to send Manning letters.

And Snowden and the souls in Guantamano who have been held in inhumane conditions for 10 year without due process at the taxpayers expense.

Free includes debt-free!

Oh look, it's everyone's favorite disinfo loser chris culnowski

and he's here to tell us that everything is hopeless and we should all just give up. Not only that, he's brought in a dozen very unconvincing sock puppet accounts to suck him off.

Could you believe this loser is getting paid to post this garbage? Well, he is. In reality, if the war were lost, peons like him wouldn't be getting paid to spend time on sites like DailyPaul in an attempt to frustrate and demotivate the rest of us.

Thank you for bumping my post. I love attention.

Also, it's spelled 'Cudnoski'. Common mistake - don't worry about it.

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I love how no one ever denies getting paid

That'd be the first thing I'd do frankly, but... I'm not getting paid to be here. You are. And you're not even good at it. Your employer needs new talent.

I get 70 cents per comment reply.

regardless of the quality of the reply I am replying to.

Please make it worth my whyall.

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I call bullshit on your post.

Attitude much?

William Shakespeare said it best " Let`s kill all the lawyers"

No more title of nobility in the congress and senate.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
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Titles of nobility

I always thought it was strange when, in the 2012 primary, he was referred to as "Governor Romney".

He left that job long ago. That'd be like calling me, "burger flipper TwelveOhOne" -- I left that job a long time ago as well.

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is 'former' acceptable


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Anyone who thinks people will risk their lives to advance

a political idea is living in lala land. People may argue political ideals all day long, but very few will put their own lives on the line. Revolutions are driven by economics, not philosophy. The politicians can lie to us until they are blue in the face, but as long as we don't feel sufficiently deprived economically we may piss and moan, but not risk our lives.

It takes real economic pain and suffering to motivate an uprising. The driver behind the Arab Spring was economic. These uprisings were responses to the price of food becoming unaffordable.

So sit back and relax. When you and your neighbors start to starve, then you will see some action. As long as you can afford TV and/or internet service you will just sit and watch because you have not arrived at a high enough level of desperation.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Exceptions ad Rules

First off, the Arab spring was and is a failure, it wont last. We see that already.

History proves you right and wrong. Most cases of revolution was exactly as you say, poor people with nothing to lose. Yet the American Revolution was led by the wealthiest men in the colonies with everything to lose and but one thing to gain - Liberty.

What this revolution lacks is leadership, the kind that has everything to lose....I dont see many on Wall Street willing to sacrifice the loot for honor. That is a big problem.

Yes, its economic. And with the absence of wealthy leadership we must end the fed to finally acquire the needed support. Congress wont do it, it takes a bankruptcy, a big one.

As long as free people line up at the trough for easy money, borrowing fiat debt against posterity, it will get worse. Which generation finally rises up and rejects the charity.....

Maybe, maybe not.

I think the American Revolution was motivated by economics, contrary to the chosen war propaganda theme exemplified by "no taxation without representation". All wars have their icing to make the cake look better, and the icing is always a claim of the moral high ground.

The British East India Company had a monopoly on trade with the colonies. The Colonists resented this. The Tea Tax that spawned the Boston Tea Party was actually a tax that was to be collected and kept by the British East India Company which company was owned by some members of the British government, and which was losing money because of slow economic conditions. They had warehouses full of unsold tea.

Of course all revolutions and their motivations are complex and not as simple my post indicated, as you point out. I just wanted to make the point that the motivation is not yet here and that more pain and suffering must come to warrant the risk of life to force change. I think the revolution point is reached when enough people judge the pain and suffering from their current political arrangements is significantly more than the pain and suffering they expect to come from revolting.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Yes, Henry...

I appreciate your view and support your theory that economics is the foundation of peace and revolution. I would also add tyranny, but we all know that.

What I would like you to address is the idea of leadership and our lack of it in these important economic issues. Let us be real, many Paul supporters paid a price with their bosses, especially the ones working for Wall Streeters and such.

Consider the French Revolution - The poor peasants took to the streets because they were left with nothing else. The first act was to attack the business leadership who would not support them. The fact is our economic leadership today is too scared to risk their wealth for our liberty and the crony system treats them quite well. They. in fact, protect and enable the tyranny that destroys them as well as us.

Your thoughts on revolutionary economic leadership ?

I'm with you

It will take pain before a significant number of Americans will rise up. Could be massive unemployment, staggering Obamacare costs, crash of the dollar/stock market, hyperinflation. Could be an event similar to Ruby Ridge or Waco that sets folks off. Could be the revelation of a huge, indisputable scandal or crime committed by the POSOTUS or his admin. Whatever it is, I'm ready set go.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

I'm sick of these videos, documentaries and rants

They're all the same. ... Bitch piss and moan about being surprised we did nothing....then, pop a bowl of popcorn and head back to their couch......

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I find this quote from John Locke inspiring and revolves around present & past history.
One of my most favorite philosophers and quotes of all time that relates to the topic at hand:

John Locke: “This is to think, that men are so foolish, that they take care to avoid what mischiefs may be done them by pole-cats, or foxes; but are content, nay, think it safety, to be devoured by lions.”

"The above quote demonstrates an awareness that men are not always rational, and they are apt to lose their freedom as a result. When men are threatened, the sense of rationality tends to give way to instinct, simplifying the thought process to that of wild animals. When we are in this condition, we lose the ability to fully consider the consequences of our actions, and in the effort to escape from one evil, we take refuge in an even greater evil. By making a bad situation even worse, it is a pretty common occurrence for the freedom Locke believes to be the birthright of all rational men to disappear."

Source For Easier Explanation: https://lifeexaminations.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/from-foxes...

More info about the quote in the above source / link.

I barely recognized Spader

in the movie Lincoln. He played the colorful operative hired by Lincoln to sway votes over to pass the 13th Amendment. Ironically in real life the character Bilbo whom he portrayed had been a successful lawyer. If you contrast the two different roles, it is fitting how those roles have gone from a respectable established attorney to a dandified backroom deal maker symbolizing how it is with the real life political landscape; on the one hand we have the ‘do nothing’ passivism and failure to fight the collective evil, which warning comes from a polished orator to no avail, and on the other hand we have the abject irreverence of a disheveled influence peddler symbolizing how agendas get solidified via the dirty side of politics. Is it any wonder we’re in such a mess when the latter prevails over the former. Meanwhile through both lenses the public remains clueless, uninformed and unenlightened oblivious to what is transpiring behind the 'scenes.'

Neo-Con, Psycho-Babble War Speak...Or, how to justify a war...

"There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don’t know we don’t know."

-United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

The above statement was made by Rumsfeld on February 12, 2002 at a press briefing where he addressed the ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE linking the government of Iraq with the supply of weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups.

It was criticized as an abuse of language by, among others, the Plain English Campaign.

However, linguist Geoffrey Pullum disagreed, saying the quotation was "completely straightforward" and "impeccable, syntactically, semantically, logically, and rhetorically."
I call it PSYCHO-BABBLE designed to confuse and confound the average citizen when you're trying to sell them on a new war.

The evil genious of Rumsfeld's statement worked like a charm.

Otherwise he and every other official of the Bush Administration who engineered the Iraq war would be in prison today.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
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This is a most excellent video.


"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

YES.... They Did Rise Up

Yes, they Did Rise Up & they voted for "Change we can believe in" and put a "constitutional scholar", Senator Obama into office.

What they got was "More of the Same". What they got was "more tyranny, served with a spoon full sugary speeches". What they got was "Bush Policies with a bigger budget". What they got was "Anti-racist multi-cultural smoke blown up their American skirts and a drone flying overhead". What they got was GWBush on Steroids....and they love it.


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Exactly right Treg, and I

Exactly right Treg, and I concur completely. (see my comments below)

don't have MSM--

so this was a television series that was anti-Bush, and it has disappeared since a Democrat came in?


Good points made, but--

it's all just a game for some of *these people*, isn't it?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

It goes back further than that.....

When storm troopers broke down the door of a law abiding family and kidnapped a child named Elian Gonzales at gunpoint (under Clinton)... I expected the American People to rise up..... they didn't.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!

Exactly right!

Exactly right!

Oh, but they did "rise up".

Oh, but they did "rise up".

They "rose up" and voted Democrat in 2006 and 2008, just like they were told to by the entertainment people who make this kind of "political protest" media.

And then, after they inaugurated the "Obamessiah" and cheered and cried and hugged each other and said that the whole world had changed, they continued to do exactly what Dear Leader tells them to do, like good little "revolutionaries". The same demon liars who enchanted them did not changed since then. They were liars before, they are liars now and they will always be liars. They are simply biased liberals who hated Bush more than they loved (or even understood) the Constitution and inalienable rights.

Don't kid yourselves into thinking that Spader or Shatner or any of these Hollyweird liars can do anything to help us.

Don't put your hope in those deceitful charlatans; even if a few say something good now and then. They're trapped in the prism of right-versus-left, one-dimensional, linear thinking. Confident that they "are on the right side" and dismiss anyone as "crazy" who doesn't repeat the same psychological trigger words as them.

I'm sick of all the nonsense of people on the DP who say "we can get" so-and-so actor on our side if we do "_____".... or what's-his-face said "______" on the "_______" show so let's all send him emails.... I refuse to waste time trying to get "celebrities" to "get the message out" to anyone in a way that will permanently change anyone's mind.

Human nature is such that people need to have their basic assumptions about "the way things are" completely shaken to their core before they will even want to truly change how they think. Their "world" has to fail them before anything gets through to their stubborn, arrogant minds. No celebrity spokesman or TV show or movie will ever do that because those things are peripheral and not basic, core beliefs and assumptions, no matter how much people seem to worship them.

Only a truly great awakening of the soul and spirit can save us; only that kind of awakening has ever transformed society in the past. Don't put your trust in celebrities or "the people" en mass, put your trust in God.

Well said!



Where have all the freedom-loving liberals gone? Obama is nothing more than an extension of Bush policies and yet, they're silent.

They were more "Bush hating"

They were more "Bush hating" than "freedom loving". Without principles or a solid foundation. Waves of the sea, tossed to and fro by every wind...