The issue is shifting to the economy. The game has changed
Submitted by treber on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 22:47
Remember, "it's the economy stupid"? Well it's back. The war is taking a back seat, and we have the only man with a plan. With Fred dropping out, there is no other fiscal conservative running. None. The game has changed and we're the ones who know the rules.
The other candidates will try, but they can only offer promises. We can offer a solution. Bush wants to send us some money? We want to let you keep it all. If a little money in your pocket will help the economy, imagine how good it would be with a lot.
This issue is all ours, it will be fought on our turf, we can win. People want more than anything, something for nothing. Even if that nothing was theirs to begin with.
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The KISS theory; Keep It Simple Stupid
Put simply, the American Public needs a Reader's Digest condensed version:
a) Bring all the troops home+cut wasteful government programs = elimination of the personal income tax
b) No personal income tax= money to buy your own health insurance
+ save for retirement using the competing currency that will always have value". The KISS theory; Keep It Simple Stupid
This ties together the 3 biggest issues that concern voters:
The Economy, The War, and Health Care
The EMERGENCY RATE CUT of 3/4%
and the markets still down 140 and on the overnight right now down 200 again. The 29th the Fed will cut rates another 1/2%. The market knows this. But, knows it is too late.
So what they have done in the last 24 hours will deflate the currency and drive up inflation.
The stimulus package will do nothing. 80% of people will either pay bills or save it. When your losing net worth in your home and see the economy going bad you don't run out and spend money.
The WAR and Foreing Policy are 90% of the problem. We need to drive this point home. They can cut domestic spending to $0 and not put a dent in the problem.
Why again are we defending Korea with 4X the population and 4 times the GDP of North Korea? Why are we borrowing to defend Germany, Japan, and the other 130 countries we are in. Why are we in Iraq when the Iraqi government asked us to leave??
"stability"
Why again are we defending Korea with 4X the population and 4 times the GDP of North Korea? Why are we borrowing to defend Germany, Japan, and the other 130 countries we are in. Why are we in Iraq when the Iraqi government asked us to leave??
That's easy: "stability" in the region. We wouldn't want any "unstable" regions in the world. That would be bad for global "stability." Of course I'm being facetious.
How about some "stability" over here in North America where we have two uncontrolled borders?
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -John F. Kennedy
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
Connect the dots
The key now is to connect the dots to the average voter that decouples the economy from the war. Bush is claiming that if he lends us all $800, of our own money ( a rebate is not a gift) , the economy will not continue its slide into a deeper recession. He calls this his $150,000,000 economic stimulus package.We need to connect the dots to show the voters that the economy and the war are jointed at the hip.
Dr. Paul should do a major speech on the economy!
...don't know what the venue would be, but who better to address the issue???
Newt Gingrich suggested that Romney should do this, but I say, take the idea and ruuuuuuunnnnnn with it NOW, Dr. Paul!!!
chaching! don't want to miss this opportunity...strike while the iron's hot
Don't worry, the iron will
Don't worry, the iron will be hot for the next twenty years or so.
Looks like everything is falling into place
for a ron paul landslide
This is a winning issue
lets exploit it
Ambec and other Bond Companies Are Collapsing
I give the bond companies a month until total implotion......bond companies are secured by pension funds, city bond projects, etc.
Just imagine......What do you think the American people are going to do when they loose their pensions? It's the near future.....
We have already won.........we secured our investments in gold and silver..
Thank you Dr. Paul
Deb
Call me crazy but
I noticed that this new so called "stimulus package" Bush was touting came right after Bernanke spouted his garbage at Congress the other day. This was hot on
the heels after Bush said the economy was strong and vibrant just last week.
Also..... we know that this stimulus will only be a very short term injection to keep consumer spending afloat albeit briefly. Something is cooking and I don't know what exactly to make of it. However, I had an epiphany after one of the newscasters said that the economy is most likely going to change the course of the election (fucking duh). The neo-cons know full well that RP is so well versed on the economy that he could win this thing because everything is falling into place and the synergy is beginning to flow for his message. Henceforth, the candidates are all changing THEIR messages about the economy trying to play catch up to RP.
We all know what Jim Kramer reported to Chris Matthews just a day or so ago.
A couple of the insurance companies for the big guns will probably go bankrupt within a month or so. It's up a 2 trillion dollar "loss" is how Jim termed it.
RP does in fact need to "predict" a couple more major news items that can't be ignored. He will continue to build his credibility with the voters if this occurs. Furthermore, all he has to do is stay in the race while the others begin to drop off like flies. This makes the MLK moneybomb, as has been said many times, the most important amount of money we could ever possibly spend to help him get elected up till now. It will garner some mild news and keep the Revolution rolling. Keep the faith folks!
Puppets come and puppets go but the world's stage is getting cluttered.
This is why CNN edited the video
Today to make it look like Ron Paul had no answers but let the "market work" or lasse fair. When we all know he talked about spending.
You must realize that most people really are ignorant and don't watch much TV. I talked to 3 people today who didn't even know all the people running for president were or who Ron Paul was.
These Idiots will be voting and make a decision last minute. This is why Canvasing is so important. Write letters and send slim jims to every house in your precinct.
We know Ron Paul has the answers. The above poster fails to reaize that Ron Paul does say those things. The media just doesn't put them on the air because they are sons of female dogs.
I'm actually kinda hoping for a really big crash for several reasons. 1) if you know how to capitalize on it you'll make a ton of money. 2) I am so sick of them mowing down every freaking green thing covering it with concrete and putting up shops. The just mowed down hundreds of acres near my house for houses. I'm hoping for a major crash and depression so those homes never get built !
But, I digress. Canvas, Canvas, Canvas, Canvas. Sign up and Canvas.
geez, I can't find the link now
but there was a good column on how the mortgage bubble is putting an end to the suburban sprawl concreting of the landscape. I don't want to lose my investments or see people suffer, but there just has to be an end to the wanton destruction of our landscape, the endless proliferation of cookie cutter condo estates and shopping malls.
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This speculative boom has left us with destroyed landscapes, paved over farmlands and loss of natural resources...and for what? Ghost towns of over priced "homes" intended for continual "flipping", not as real communities.
Good riddance to them. I have a certain guilty pleasure on watching the stocks of Pulte, Hovnanian, Countrywide, Beazer and their ilk just crush through the floor.
Man, you got my goat with that post. With you all the way.
With sound money, we would never have had this real-estate bubble...
What is sad is that ultimately all the destruction was for nothing. These are now foreclosure towns, destined to become nothing more than public housing until they are bulldozed down. The construction is shoddy as hell too. But the farmlands and wild lands are gone forever.
Cleveland is already bulldozing!
(From ABC website)
Some Cleveland neighborhoods are already trying to find ways to manage the land as the defaulted properties are abandoned. In Slavic Village, an inner suburb of 30,000, thousands of predatory sub-prime loans were made to people who either could not afford them or had no intention of repaying them, says Anthony Brancatelli, the councilman for the district. Some buyers have defaulted on 10 or 15 properties at a time, leaving the area with blocks of boarded-up homes.
"We average about two foreclosures a day and have about 1,000 vacant and abandoned buildings," says Mr. Brancatelli, who adds that about 150 homes in the neighborhood have been bulldozed this year.
Although the city would rather preserve housing, Brancatelli is hoping to reshape Slavic Village as an "active lifestyle" community with walking and biking trails and public transportation to get people to jobs in downtown Cleveland.
Goodbye Countrywide!
Our mortgage was sold to Countrywide. Years ago we reached the percentage where we could drop the mortgage insurance. They wanted us to continue paying it. They refused to drop it. They said the group that actually "owns" the mortgage requires that we keep the insurance. We finally had to threaten to take legal action against them. The insurance was dropped. I don't forgive them. I can see them telling other people, that are less likely to stand up for themselves, the same thing. Instead of trying to squeeze more money out of people, they should have been more concerned with the quality of the loans they were buying. Goodbye and good riddance!
Remember
How Huck was starting to sound like Ron Paul? After watching CNN and all the clips of Mc Cain I thought I was going to puke, now he is talking about how bad inflation is and how we have to start cutting all the spending (Mr. 100 years in Iraq?) all I could think about was all the funny faces and disrespect he was tossing around at the debates (and the high pitched girly laugh of his). Everyone is out to steal Mr. Ron Paul's thunder! (but they are only talking out of there butts) I was thinking we all know how strong the good Dr. is on the economy but we need to somehow overcome the lack of press and get the message to the masses....
Ron-conomy!!!
Paul or nothing!!!
It's 4th and Long for RP - here's the play
I am much more pessimistic on RP's chances, I thought after 20M he'd have much deeper support in the primaries. It's time to play to win.
Ron Paul has to predict what is going to happen to the economy in the next 6 months - a crash - and tell us why it's happening. It may not happen, but he has to predict it and take a chance he's right.
Next, he has to push very simple numbers. "We bring in $2.5 trillion in revenue and spend $3 trillion. The overseas military costs a trillion. If we go to domestic military only we can balance the budget and cut taxes $500B, stimulating the domestic economy. If we don't, eventually we collapse." Something very simple. To just say "we're broke" or "we're going broke" is not seeming to resonate.
he already did...
He predicted the housing bubble crash in 2003.
you can google to find the articles or go to RP page.
I agree
Most Americans don't get how broke the United States is, and that's why they keep buying ideas such as Hillary's heathcare. Dr. Paul needs to put forth a few figures, because the numbers are shocking and the reasoning is extremely simple.
As I said below, I think Bernanke & Co. don't have the guts to go insane with the money printer, so the market will trend down. The question is if it will fall significantly in the short term (i.e., in at most a few months). The sooner, the better are Dr. Paul's chances.
One thing I know is that the US won't attack Iran during 2008, despite all the trash talking. If Iran was attacked, the first thing they'd do is launch missiles against all the oil installations in the middle east. That would cut off the world's oil supply, send oil prices sky high and bankrupt the US. The US just can't handle oil at $200 a barrel.
it's the war
the Fed has been inflating the currency in order to make the cost of the Iraq war debt cheaper; the currency inflation also let Bush's tax cuts stand. unfortunately, this "inflation tax" is hittting the poor and middle class harder (it's regressive) than the upper class-- that's why it's so evil.
i.e. it's time for the rich to show their patriotism and poney up some money so the Fed doesn't have to rob everyone via currency inflation!
i.e. I believe that Ron Paul noted that wars don't help the economy since they create inflation and debt bubbles which are followed by a recessionary hangover.
The timing has to be just right for Dr. Paul to succeed
And no one controls the market's timing.
The markets weren't convinced by either Bernanke's testimony to the Congress or by Bush's lackluster speech. A lot of analysts are downplaying the gravity of the situation, but the actual traders know deep down that it's bad.
The traders are hoping that the Fed will print enough money to keep the dollar on life support until this blows over and a new cycle of fake growth begins, but they have no fundamental facts to guarantee this. All they have is hope.
If the Fed is sufficiently aggressive and reckless, the markets will temporarily bounce back. It would be long term suicide, but the stock markets would rise during the next few months -- that's enough to keep Dr. Paul out of the game.
To me, this depends on how crazy the people in power are (and I'm not just talking about the neocons). It would take a lot of money -- probably more than what Bush's vague plan suggests. I don't think they have the guts to do it. They'll hope for a soft landing, and get a hard landing. I just hope the landing comes soon.
The war and economy are
The war and economy are inextricably tied. Rep. Paul has been consistent on this point throughout the campaign. As more and more Americans wake up, they will hear the message and understand that he is the only one with a realistic solution. Step one: just come home.
I Agree, but
have you heard the other Republican candidates trying to bribe the voters with tax rebates? It reminds me of the Harry Browne quote, "Elections are advance auctions of stolen goods."
I'm concerned that many voters will be bought off with the candidate who will offer the largest promise of a tax rebate.
Rudy seemed to be willing to offer us the largest rebate, even though that is the worst thing for the country -- We're broke already by any honest accounting standards!
We'll see how conditioned the public are to salivate at the mention of Free Money. Meanwhile, RP did well in Nevada and SC, so we can feel good about making progress.
Ron Paul 2008: The most important vote of your life
Restore the Republic 2012!
well, were going to "bribe" them with the biggest rebate of all.
100%
IOUSA
The issue has been the economy. Average America is finally starting to wake up and smell the coffee. This is not going away. Ron Paul has the answers---he understands the problems. Timing is perfect for the release of IOUSA at Sundance today. Maybe more people will understand why we need Ron Paul! Sure doesn't hurt that he's in the film as an economic expert either!!!
agreed... on economics.
Everyone QUICKLY needs to become conversant in Dr. Paul's principles of economics.
Remember - that on the economics issue, Dr. Paul is going to be the only candidate that doesn't promise bailouts, stimulation packages, rebate checks, market freezes, and other garbage. - People will try to say that he doesn't really connect with people, doesn't know how to take action, he doesn't really care...
HOWEVER, only Paul speaks to the foundational issue of how we got here - artificial stimulation and manipulation of the market. Only Paul advocates the long term and lawful solutions - non-interventionist policy, sound money, free markets, etc...
PLEASE do some homework and become conversant on the economics issue. If you really want to connect with people and win people, you have to go deeper than pithy statements like "get rid of the federal reserve" and "get rid of the income tax"...
For weeks, I've carefully explained to my parents and family and friends how these bad monatery policies affect our everyday lives - and they're just now seeing the light.
VR
Yes yes
Add to that that when you talk of no IRS and no income tax, be sure to make it clear that Dr Paul and his supporters know that it will not happen overnight. He is not a reckless man, so we should be no more reckless with his message.
ps... one more thing about economics...
Anyone likely to get a economic-stimulation-check from President Bush? I have a good idea on how to best use it to stimulate the economy... How about sending it to Ron Paul?