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Collateral Murder Revisited: One day, the guys getting killed might be you.

Bradley Manning is going to jail for 20 years not because he did this, but because he exposed this. If you haven't seen the video, please spare the time for Bradley. He's sentenced to 20 years in a cage because of it. Can you spare 17 minutes to find out why?

If you have seen it, please take the time to watch it again in full. I watched it when it came out. Highly disturbing: The idea that somehow I'm doing this, at least enabling it with my taxes is disturbing. Worse yet is that I'm doing nothing towards stopping it. What can one do, aside from throw one's body on the gears of the machine?

He's no chicken. I hope one day I can have that kind of courage.

History chose Bradley Manning. Once upon a time, he was just like us. An anonymous nobody. There's no telling when history might choose you, too.


This was originally posted on the Daily Paul on on April 7, 2010, by legalizeliberty.

The video was shocking and disgusting when it premiered. And ultimately, disappointing, because nothing happened. No one was brought to justice. But now, nearly 3 years later, the "justice" is being served on the wrong person, on the wrong side.

On July 6, 2010, Private Bradley Manning, a 22 year old intelligence analyst with the United States Army in Baghdad, was charged with disclosing this video (after allegedly speaking to an unfaithful journalist). The whistleblower behind the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, has called Mr. Manning a 'hero'. He is currently imprisoned in Kuwait. The Apache crew and those behind the cover up depicted in the video have yet to be charged. To assist Private Manning, please see www.bradleymanning.org.

Make no mistake: Bradley Manning is a political prisoner.

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The mindset,

of the flight crew on these murder ships says it all.
May the quiet of the night give them no rest.
When and if they ever have children, give them what they gave to others,,,


The American People Hearby Grant to Bradley Manning ...

A full and unqualified pardon of all allegations of criminal activity in his service to the American people and who has faithfully upheld the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic and who has suffered prolonged and extreme duress at the hands of disloyal persons acting under the guise of United States Military authority and who continues to uphold the highest standards of patriotism, loyalty and fidelity to protect, defend and give his full measure of devotion to the principles of liberty and freedom; we bestow onto him our appreciation for his courage, tenacity, fortitude and bravery as he endures the ongoing pains of abominable punishment and injustice.

No man under the pretense of American law should ever have to experience such extended cruelty of an abusive government, a clear violation of the 8th amendment to the Constitution.

Free our American boy, Bradley Manning.

They just make shit up and then kill people

a disease that soldiers caught in battle.... just make up something and kill.... nobody is there to discipline... and if there ever is we will punish them for insubordination or treason.

double think is an exigency, but it sure as shit is real.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

I had never seen this.

Brought tears to my eyes.

I know that in war, there will always be mistakes made and innocents killed. But in this case, not only was our war not justifiable, unconstitutional, pre-emptive, and immoral, but the thing that is truly bothersome is how the soldiers' attitudes...and they are begging to shoot and kill.

Blood thirsty soldiers are sickening.

Reminds me of some other guy (sniper) we all know about...

"i sing of Olaf glad and big" by e.e.cummings

i sing of Olaf glad and big
whose warmest heart recoiled at war:
a conscientious object-or

his wellbelovéd colonel(trig
westpointer most succinctly bred)
took erring Olaf soon in hand;
but--though an host of overjoyed
noncoms(first knocking on the head
him)do through icy waters roll
that helplessness which others stroke
with brushes recently employed
anent this muddy toiletbowl,
while kindred intellects evoke
allegiance per blunt instruments--
Olaf(being to all intents
a corpse and wanting any rag
upon what God unto him gave)
responds,without getting annoyed
"I will not kiss your fucking flag"

straightway the silver bird looked grave
(departing hurriedly to shave)

but--though all kinds of officers
(a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
their passive prey did kick and curse
until for wear their clarion
voices and boots were much the worse,
and egged the firstclassprivates on
his rectum wickedly to tease
by means of skilfully applied
bayonets roasted hot with heat--
Olaf(upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some shit I will not eat"

our president,being of which
assertions duly notified
threw the yellowsonofabitch
into a dungeon,where he died

Christ(of His mercy infinite)
i pray to see;and Olaf,too

preponderatingly because
unless statistics lie he was
more brave than me:more blond than you.

"All our words are but crumbs that fall down from the feast of the mind." - Khalil Gibran
"The Perfect Man has no self; the Holy Man has no merit; the Sage has no fame." - Chuang Tzu

Glen Beck says he is one of us?

Well, here is his first test. Play this video repeatedly on his tv show and talk about it on his radio show. Then, ask his viewers to petition the government to drop all the other charges.

Glenn Beck relies on people that watch him.

He hates people that ignore him.

I appreciate that he has awakened some, and I appreciate you all that have figured him out, and taken hold of American, ... the idea.

Yes Michael Bradley is a political prisoner

Thank you.

Rolling Stone folks had the courage to post a great article on Brad.

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sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Shouldn't have brought their kids to a battle.

Yeah, the battle in your deluded mind. So a dozen guys walking down the street is a "battle"? Robert E Lee or George Washington would have shot these losers for cowardice in the extreme.

I guess that's the lie they had to tell themselves to make it "alright". We got to witness rationalization at time equal zero. They're probably still telling themselves this to this day.

Were any guns found on any of the victims? That weren't drop guns I mean.

Evil for good and good for evil - the Bible tells us perilous times will come, but what is in the greatest peril is the human conscience, which is being bombarded by desenitization from those powers and principalities of the air. Also foretold is the love of many waxing cold. I find it ironic that the middle eastern culture exhibits more compassion on a wounded man than our "Christian" nation, whose representatives with helicopters and instant communication cowers in fear over a guy writhing in pain who could "possibly" have a pistol in hand. Yeah, the controversy over this video isn't the engagement rules, it is the fact that the American soldier comes off as a total ass, jackboot, and psycho all at the same time. I guess it's the Phillippines all over again.

I need to stop ranting, but I had to get this out so my blood pressure might go back down.

And Americans wonder what has happened to their country?

When a people go along with torture, unprovoked war, endless lies, endless theft, etc., what else should we expect?

When I used to be

Christian, I had assurance that evil people would be served justice in the next life. Now I've lost my religion, and I can only hope the victims are at peace. That includes Bradley Manning. May he one day find peace. And may Karma be REAL, and monsters be punished.

The American way of killing is SO cowardly! It's just like a video game. Disgusting.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I only wish

Obama's daughters could view this.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

First Time Viewer

This is the first time I have seen this video. I don't really know how to respond, except to say that something in the way I look at the world has changed.

I have always known things like this are happening.

It's just..very different when you actually see it.



You are not alone

I'm one myself, and everyone else has themselves as well. It is one of those things that must be seen to truly start the changes in us.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

Well said

I could only make it half-way through...by that time I 'got it' loud & clear and didn't want to see anymore. Every American adult should see this reality.

A part of your humanity

is stolen from you as you realize you are an unwilling participant in such atrocities.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Done with as little empathy or feeling

as a teen "playing" a video game on his computer. I am appalled at the murders and appalled at the injustice to Bradley Manning.

There are bullies and gangs in this world who hide behind the sanctification of "war", and what is war except some rich people wanting power and resources from the poor of the world who are just making ends meet.

War is an old idea, and I believe as a global community we the people are finally beyond being fooled about the purpose of war.

War has nothing to do with the people, and everything to do with greed for wealth and power on the part of a FEW.

The Atrocities of War Redux

Does everyone clearly see the horror and irrational behavior of war?

In every modern military conflict there are always more innocent people slain than actual aggressors. Why does this happen?

1. A spontaneous fight occurs in a battlefield that transitions into a non-hostile location (civilian neighborhood).

2. Bad intelligence on where the enemy is located.

3. Soldiers who kill everyone in a targeted area to instill psychological fear.

4. Soldiers who commit sexual assault for personal gratification or plunder property for monetary gain.

5. Soldiers who kill for retaliation.

6. Soldiers who kill for sport.

World War II - the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_an... ).

Korean War - the No Gun Ri Massacre in 1950 (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Gun_Ri_Massacre ).

Vietnam War - the Mai Lai massacre in 1968 (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre ).

Iraqi War - the Haditha killings in 2005 (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_killings ).

These are all examples of the creations of war, a pervasive insanity, a failure of foreign policy statesmanship.

Despite the platitudes presented to the American people about "just wars" and the rules of military conflict, war brings out the evil in the souls of every man and woman who kill with mindless immorality.

Bradley Manning sounded the clarion call that all Americans must heed. We have to stop the rush to war. We have to reject the concept of a "war economy". Stop the damn wars.

I cried...

Bawled like a baby watching this.

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. - Patrick Henry

What Wrong With You????



This is from Manning's statement about the video above...

''The video depicted several individuals being engaged by an aerial weapons team. At first I did not consider the video very special, as I have viewed countless other war porn type videos depicting combat. However, the recording of audio comments by the aerial weapons team crew and the second engagement in the video of an unarmed bongo truck troubled me. As Showman and a few other analysts and officers in the T-SCIF commented on the video and debated whether the crew violated the rules of engagement or ROE in the second engagement, I shied away from this debate, instead conducting some research on the event. I wanted to learn what happened and whether there was any background to the events of the day that the event occurred, 12 July 2007.

Using Google I searched for the event by its date by its general location. I found several new accounts involving two Reuters employees who were killed during the aerial weapon team engagement. Another story explained that Reuters had requested for a copy of the video under the Freedom of Information Act or FOIA. Reuters wanted to view the video in order to understand what had happened and to improve their safety practices in combat zones. A spokesperson for Reuters was quoted saying that the video might help avoid the reoccurrence of the tragedy and believed there was a compelling need for the immediate release of the video.

Despite the submission of the FOIA request, the news account explained that CENTCOM replied to Reuters stating that they could not give a time frame for considering a FOIA request and that the video might no longer exist. Another story I found written a year later said that even though Reuters was still pursuing their request. They still did not receive a formal response or written determination in accordance with FOIA. The fact neither CENTCOM or Multi National Forces Iraq or MNF-I would not voluntarily release the video troubled me further. It was clear to me that the event happened because the aerial weapons team mistakenly identified Reuters employees as a potential threat and that the people in the bongo truck were merely attempting to assist the wounded. The people in the van were not a threat but merely 'good samaritans.' The most alarming aspect of the video to me, however, was the seemly delightful bloodlust they appeared to have.

The dehumanized the individuals they were engaging and seemed to not value human life by referring to them as quote "dead bastards" unquote and congratulating each other on the ability to kill in large numbers. At one point in the video there is an individual on the ground attempting to crawl to safety. The individual is seriously wounded. Instead of calling for medical attention to the location, one of the aerial weapons team crew members verbally asks for the wounded person to pick up a weapon so that he can have a reason to engage. For me, this seems similar to a child torturing ants with a magnifying glass.

While saddened by the aerial weapons team crew's lack of concern about human life, I was disturbed by the response of the discovery of injured children at the scene. in the video, you can see that the bongo truck driving up to assist the wounded individual. In response the aerial weapons team crew-- as soon as the individuals are a threat, they repeatedly request for authorization to fire on the bongo truck and once granted they engage the vehicle at least six times.

Shortly after the second engagement, a mechanized infantry unit arrives at the scene. Within minutes, the aerial weapons team crew learns that children were in the van and despite the injuries the crew exhibits no remorse. Instead, they downplay the significance of their actions, saying quote 'Well, it's there fault for bringing their kid's into a battle' unquote.

The aerial weapons team crew members sound like they lack sympathy for the children or the parents. Later in a particularly disturbing manner, the aerial weapons team verbalizes enjoyment at the sight of one of the ground vehicles driving over a body-- or one of the bodies. As I continued my research, I found an article discussing the book, The Good Soldiers, written by Washington Post writer David Finkel.

In Mr. Finkel book, he writes about the aerial weapons team attack. As, I read an online excerpt in Google Books, I followed Mr. Finkel's account of the event belonging to the video. I quickly realize that Mr. Finkel was quoting, I feel in verbatim, the audio communications of the aerial weapons team crew.

It is clear to me that Mr. Finkel obtained access and a copy of the video during his tenue as an embedded journalist. I was aghast at Mr. Finkel's portrayal of the incident. Reading his account, one would believe the engagement was somehow justified as 'payback' for an earlier attack that lead to the death of a soldier. Mr. Finkel ends his account by discussing how a soldier finds an individual still alive from the attack. He writes that the soldier finds him and sees him gesture with his two forefingers together, a common method in the Middle East to communicate that they are friendly. However, instead of assisting him, the soldier makes an obscene gesture extending his middle finger.

The individual apparently dies shortly thereafter. Reading this, I can only think of how this person was simply trying to help others, and then he quickly finds he needs help as well. To make matter worse, in the last moments of his life, he continues to express his friendly gesture-- only to find himself receiving this well known gesture of unfriendliness. For me it's all a big mess, and I am left wondering what these things mean, and how it all fits together. It burdens me emotionally.

I saved a copy of the video on my workstation. I searched for and found the rules of engagement, the rules of engagement annexes, and a flow chart from the 2007 time period-- as well as an unclassified Rules of Engagement smart card from 2006. On 15 February 2010 I burned these documents onto a CD-RW, the same time I burned the 10 Reykjavik 13 cable onto a CD-RW. At the time, I placed the video and rules for engagement information onto my personal laptop in my CHU. I planned to keep this information there until I redeployed in Summer 2010. I planned on providing this to the Reuters office in London to assist them in preventing events such as this in the future.

However, after the WLO published 10 Reykjavik 13 I altered my plans. I decided to provide the video and the rules of engagement to them so that Reuters would have this information before I re-deployed from Iraq. On about 21 February 2010, I described above, I used the WLO submission form and uploaded the documents. The WLO released the video on 5 April 2010. After the release, I was concern about the impact of the video and how it would been received by the general public. I hoped that the public would be as alarmed as me about the conduct of the aerial weapons team crew members. I wanted the American public to know that not everyone in Iraq and Afghanistan are targets that needed to be neutralized, but rather people who were struggling to live in the pressure cooker environment of what we call asymmetric warfare. After the release I was encouraged by the response in the media and general public, who observed the aerial weapons team video. As I hoped, others were just as troubled-- if not more troubled than me by what they saw.''


The most important war crime video of our time

Thanks for the sobering reminder, Michael.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

It only takes 1 time of watching that evil

for most people to get a lump in their throat. I tried to get a lot of people to watch the video when it came out...many of the guys and almost all of the women that I tried to get to watch it...refused. They said they just didn't want to see what they knew they would see. Watching is bad enough. Watching and listening to the words that come out of the mouths of the killers is beyond disturbing.

Watch Your Back

Michael Nystrom - If I were you I would grow eyes in the back of your head and keep them peeled for drones. We want to make sure that you don't become a target of collateral murder.

Ed Rombach

*Stands up in crowd*


"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

And I Salute You!

You Hot S#@t!

Ed Rombach

I live by one motto:


"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

It is a constant State of Revenge

A coworker from Algeria explained 9/11 to me in this manner. Imagine living in a somewhat hostile area where your Leaders make all kinds of bad decisions, that you mostly have to endure, and you find out your neighborhood has been bombed. You rush home to find your house destroyed and can only find bits and pieces of flesh that must be your wife, son, and daughter. You also find a bomb fragment with French writing on it.

Instantly that person turns from someone just trying to make a living and provide for their family into a person hell bent on Revenge. They have nothing to lose, it has all been taken from them and they realize the Mullahs who had been telling them for years that The Great Satan will one day get them, have been right all along.

This once peaceful person dedicates their existence to getting Revenge.
It turns out that it is difficult for once peaceful person who had their family blown to bits to get back at the ones who are directing the carnage, so they take it out on someone like them or affiliated with them. It turns out that it is difficult for the ones doing the Air Bombing to get only the ones they are after so they end up blowing up innocent Human Beings.

The ones doing the Air Bombing are the only ones that can stop this. They are doing it under our Assumed Consent, so even Americans who disagree with The Feds Foreign Policy are culpable.

Either we stop the Feds from continuing the bombing, or we must expect the cycle to continue.

what wrong with you people?

Are you so blind that you will not see the AK's and the RPG.
Is it your paradigm that blinds you to the truth?

Please tell me WTF is wrong with you people that you are so blind that the distasteful truth is invisible?

Go for it I what to here your intellectual avoidance of the truth.

This is why nations should mind their own business and not get involved in the first place because the population is just too stupid to know what truth is.

What is wrong with me

Well, we simply don't have time to go into all of that - not sure I can write an entire essay for a post.

But what is wrong with the situation? That is simple

A man defending his home is a patriot, not a terrorist.

Even if there is an RPG or an ak-47(which if you want to debate fine, but to me is irrelevant), how does that excuse the immoral and barbaric behavior of those who are representing the (allegedly)greatest, freest?, most morally just nation ever to grace this planet.
The truth? The truth is, these pilots acted in a manner unbecoming a US soldier. They acted with no regard to human life and the preservation there of. And when confronted with the reality that they had just fired upon the most innocent in society - they showed less remorse than a stripper grabbing your dollars. These are not honorable traits. These are not virtues I wish to stand and salute.

Let me guess, you are a tough guy, you get it. How do you shoot women and children - you just dont lead them as far. Is that the truth you subscribe to.
Except this isnt some movie and those are real people, with real families who just were trying to help another human being - which is more than can be said for those soldiers representing us.

Intellectual avoidance? I think displacement is the term you need to start to consider.