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Warmonger Zionist Beck Presses Rand on Hagel Vote

Beck will never figure out why Libertarians fail to include him
in their movement? Somebody needs to inform him, that having a picture of Lincoln on his set is an automatic exclusion from his
inclusion to the Liberty movement, not to mention his stand as an
Israel-firster. How can anybody who supports a President, who formented the greatest destruction of our Constitutional Liberties created by our Founders, attacked his own citizens, which lead to over 600,000 deaths, believe he can be included in the Liberty Movement? If he was really about Liberty, Beck would have hit Rand
on his support for Brennan 'The Drone Warrior' who believes in murdering his own citizens, not Hagel. http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/28/rand-paul-talks-to-glenn...

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A fight for public concessions

Just get Obama to say he won't bomb US citizens.

Is this what people want? Concessions in the form of words from a government that can't be trusted.

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Rand justified his thought process with his votes.

Consistency and a clear strategy is important with these nominations. Let Obama sink with his choices, if no absolute negatives are uncovered in the hearings. At least Rand explained his thought process. I can accept that.

My consistency would be to

My consistency would be to vote against anyone I don't think would follow the Constitution. None of these people do...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

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Brian, you are thinking the way Ron Paul would.

Rand justified his reasoning for voting for Hagel. As i said I can accept that, but notice I didn't say that I agreed with him. I agree with you that following the Constitution trumps everything, and applying this criterion makes voting a very simple task. The justification is summed up in a sentence every time. However, the era of absolutes seems to have past us by with Ron Paul no longer in office. We are now into the new era of libertarian relativism and political maneuvering to gain some theoretical future advantage. The phrase "strict adherence to the Constitution" may become a non sequitur.

Objectively speaking, it

Objectively speaking, it seemed like Beck was pretty fair about it. He stated he was frustrated at Rand's vote, but said he respected him and allowed him to explain why he made the vote.

I agree. There is way too

I agree. There is way too much hyperbolic surrounding Beck. So much blown way out of proportion. Of course the zelots will down vote this , as usual...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Someone who doesn't desire

to go to war constantly is "anti-western" or "anti-american"?

Beck is out to lunch on foreign policy.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

After listening to the questioning

I thought Beck was rather fair to Rand actually. Much more fair than I would have expected. Considering a large portion of the Beck folks are the same people excoriating Rand over at the Free Republic, I'd say the defernce with which Beck treated Rand will be a godsend in calming the neocon howlers.

Josh Brueggen
Jack of all Trades
Precinct Commiteeman Precinct 5 Rock Island Co Illinois

I believe most of the oposition to Rand Paul over at the ...

Free Republic were Jewish Megaphonies. Least wise that is what I call them. They swarm a board and try to give off the impression that everyone thinks that way when in fact no one with a brain thinks we need to continue these wars.

You have to take with a grain a salt what some site put up because it is nothing more than anti-American propaganda being put out by these Neo-Zionist that are swarming on these Internet sites to beat down any opposition to their agenda.

Within that exchange, the

Within that exchange, the viewpoints of war never were expressed by either Beck or Rand. Beck pushed for explanation and only thing Rand offered was basically we didn't find Hagel has done anything illegal so I sided with president. It would have been more interesting to hear Beck's response if Rand had talked about policy

I've noticed that. Although

I've noticed that. Although the parallels between Rand's foreign policy and Hagel's foreign policy have been widely discussed online, Beck doesn't want "to go there." It is really quite dishonest. Rand is also being dishonest in not bringing it up to Beck....but he has some excuse. There is a mutual conspiracy of silence between them. Very clever....in a perverse way.


you nailed it.

Interesting how our haters

make one mistake after another, the express way.

1. Being America_first has nothing to do with Libertarian movement. If you, "freedom express", has an affinity with an American who just immigrated from Sudan, you are free to feel that. And I am free to have an affinity with similar Sudanese living in Germany. You confuse Libertarian movement with collective patriotism.

2. Israel has nothing to do with Glenn Beck's stance on Libertarian ideas. Israel has 32 political parties (based on the last election data) and those have different ideological positions. 3/4 of them do support the State of Israel and thus they are Zionists. Again, Zionist or anti-Zionist has nothing to do with Libertarian idea. The founder of modern Libertarian thought, Ayn Rand, was a Zionist.

If Beck failed, you failed too.

One of the most important principles of libertarianism

Is non-interventionism. Every single war the US has engaged-in in the ME has been interventionist wars. We've directly attacked countries while never being attacked by them.

The reason why people are what you consider "anti-Israel" is because we contend that blind bias for Israel is exactly what encourages these interventionist wars. We're fighting wars for Israel that they're helping incite.

Netanyahu has been claiming that Iran has had nuclear weapons since 1992. They've had their bases inspected multiple times and the reports would suggest otherwise. They're within their rights in coordination with the non-proliferation treaty to acquire nuclear power and yet Israel has refused to sign the treaty.

Israel has been railing against Iran and encouraging us to go to war against them. It'd be one thing if Iran attacked Israel first, but Israel is attempting to get us to make the first move. And we've already put crippling sanctions on Iran; what Ron Paul calls a precursor to war.

I agree with others...your name should be Israel_First. You've got absolutely no understanding of libertarian foreign policy and no interest in learning or adapting to it.

Do I have to watch it?

I'll just take your word for it. Beck befuddles my head. My mind goes all crazy ruminating about his array of viewers: Where they live? (next door?!?); Did they attend school?; Do they really believe him?; Are they afraid of Arabs lopping their heads off?; Does Beck's sappy soggy theater move them?; Do I meet them on the streets?

I don't like putting that kind of stress on my brain.

And you

are the reason why the Liberty Ron Paul movement isn't growing faster.

You need to stop categorizing and hating on these people and trying to be more hospitable and understanding towards them while teaching freedom.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

I just read both those posts, and there is no more hate in . . .

the person to whom you are responding (dducks), slugnuts, than in yours.

Sometimes it is exhausting; I start to feel fuzzy in my brain while watching Glenn Beck, too, and I know some really good people who think highly of Beck, and it really does confuse me--

I am trying to figure out why. That isn't hate.

It's not being unhospitable towards people to wonder why they are drawn to a man like Glenn Beck. It's not being hateful. It's being honest, for some of *us*. Honest questions.

Every time I try to watch/listen to a youtube about/by Beck I really do have brain freeze.

I won't vote you down, slugnuts. I've been trying for decades to communicate with people who have a neo-conservative world view, and I am getting very weary.

I do not hate these people, but my brain IS tired.

And that is why, when I read dducks' comment I said, "yes, yes; I understand that."

No hate.

It's a real phenomenon, this isolation some of *us* feel when we literally can't communicate with others.

A person gets to a point where he/she wants to go to a place where all this cognitive dissonance doesn't exist.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Hate is a strong word

I could have used a better one.

Here is all I mean. I just see so many posts that don't listen to the content of what is being said, they immediately blow something off because it has such and such person or its from this network or whatever.

I don't have to enjoy or promote it to learn something. Even if all I'm learning is that these people are getting bad information that's helpful in how to engage them later. I have no idea what Beck is trying to do. I know he likes to make money like anyone else and so he is probably trying to tap into a new market I guess.
Even if that is true, is it such a bad thing that Liberty ideas and thoughts are being talked about and sometimes promoted?
(not asking you specifically, rhetorical question).

I say we use every way possible to get the message out and where these programs are in error lets talk about it in a civil way. "I like what they said about this but I didn't care for that"
See what I mean?

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul


you are being reasonable. There are some people who can handle Beck, and some of *us* cannot. That doesn't make either type of person bad--

I have tried, however, to listen to Beck. Maybe it's his personality, but he makes me feel confused and agitated.

I am aware that he reaches some people--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Here's what my mind goes through when I watch Colbert

or Rachel Maddow and think of their viewers. "Did they take any arithmetic classes?; Have they read a history book?; Do they know that socialism has been tried and was an epic fail?; Do they desire the death count that took place on the first two big failures?; Have they ever shopped for a good deal?; Am I the one cornfused?; Are they business owners?; Are they okay with stealing?; If they think health care is a right, do they think I have a right to the product of service they provide?" On and on and on and on. It really is annoying. I can't stop the ruminations.

Thanks 1988vote. I don't think my watching these shows will help liberty along. But I take his/her criticism and will try to be more accepting. Is it Beck?!?!

Glenn! Is that you?

and of course

you have the right to not watch it. that is your choice.
i will be honest, i don't enjoy him as a person.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

As much as I like the Paul's, I loathe Beck...

I've committed not to watch him in any clip any more. "You are now entering....the Beck-free zone".

Restore the Foundations - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"


That is just so well put...
Although I did not realize Rand had supported Brennan, I appreciate that bit of information being in the OP.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Rand doesn't support Brennan

He did concede that he would vote to confirm him if he could get a public admission that the administration has no authority to use drones on US soil. He stated getting such an admission was his goal out of the process since there were not the votes to deny confirmation anyway.

Josh Brueggen
Jack of all Trades
Precinct Commiteeman Precinct 5 Rock Island Co Illinois

So you are saying Rand did not support him, but voted for him?

Now I feel better.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.